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Undefeated to getting Spanked

Sir PersonMan··2 votes·818 views

How does early-mid-late game work? I went from being undefeated until 5-3. Losing only 1 champ every few rounds. Then 5-4, lost every round with only killing 1-2 champs each round. I had 3 gold, 4 silver and 1 bronze. Then i was being spanked by someone without a single gold unit and down a champ. How can this happen? Am I missing something late game that is that vital where a switch goes from Invinsible to Hitting with noodles wearing glass armor?

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Jamaree1 votes

Could be a number of different factors, could be you only had level one units at level 3 to their level 3 level units.

Could be the opponent finally got their last unit needed to finish out a set, like yordle or noble six.

Could be that they placed their units in a way to counterplay yours.

Could just be raw bad luck.

What was your team comp and what was beating you?

Sir PersonMan1 votes

Gold Garen (zekes, GA) Gold Lucian (Ludens) Gold Tris (Rageblade and something else) Silver Kennen (Ludens) Silver Pyke Silver Graves Silver Mordekiser Bronze Sejuani? Cant remember the bronze.

Person in First had 2 gold champs Person in Third had 0 gold champs Not remembering the enemy comp (Would be cool if there was history for TFT)

Jamaree1 votes

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Gold Garen (zekes, GA) Gold Lucian (Ludens) Gold Tris (Rageblade and something else) Silver Kennen (Ludens) Silver Pyke Silver Graves Silver Mordekiser Bronze Sejuani? Cant remember the bronze.

Person in First had 2 gold champs Person in Third had 0 gold champs Not remembering the enemy comp (Would be cool if there was history for TFT)

Ah, I see the problem with your team, it had no synergy at all.

The only combo you had was knight 2 and gunslinger two. Knight which is only really strong early game compared to the others and gunslinger two still requires items to really get off.

I suggest a bit more pushing for combos, especially late game when your win streak gives you stupid amounts of gold.

Sir PersonMan1 votes

Oh ok. So because I only had some minor synergy, I dominated early-mid game. Then ppl starting building absurd combos that then wrecked my previously unbeatable team.

Jamaree1 votes

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Oh ok. So because I only had some minor synergy, I dominated early-mid game. Then ppl starting building absurd combos that then wrecked my previously unbeatable team.

Yup yup, basically

Sire Hippington1 votes

three big factors: you lacked a proepr comp for synergies, only two small buffs(2nkight, 2gunslinger) Most of your oieces were low tier(1 and 2 goldcosts) Your lacked a proper hardcarry in terms of items(unless the other item on tris was IE) Luden's on lucian is nice early, but not that impactfull later on, on kennen it's a bit better but still not as impactfull, and rageblade without any ad or on-hit isn't enough on tris. And the items on garen are kinda wasted, he gets nearly no use from the AD as his base AS sucks and his skill prevents him from AAing for quite some time, and him haveing zekes most likely means the 'aura' buff is applied to the frontline rather than your backline.

Later on in the game, teamcomposition is very important, and higher tier units at silver can easily keep up with low tier on gold. A silver Seju is stronger than a gold Garen for example, she'll be just as tanky with a more impactfull skill. Also, haveing the right combination of items on the right pices can make a big difference. A silver tristana with rageblade, shive and IE will deal alot more damage than a gold tristana with only rageblade, especially if you get the full 4 gunslinger buff ontop.

iainB851 votes

Interest -- a strategy is to not reroll at all and lose HP on purpose to get your pick on the carousel while accumulating gold interest.

For every 10 gold you have in the bank (up to 50) you get +1 gold per turn.

When it becomes +5 gold a turn, you are over 60 gold each round and can reroll multiple times a round for higher tier champions (epic/legendary) without even dipping below the +5/50 gold mark.

This gives you far greater flexibility not only for higher tier champs (as previously mentioned) but ability to completely switch up champion synergy based on what hasn't been mined out of the champion pool mid-late game.

Keep in mind that a 2 star epic/legendary can far out value a 3 star (gold) common/rare tier champion.

Panthaz891 votes

Feel like Riot should include a tip to remind people that 3 starring 1 cost and 2 cost units doesn't necessarily mean they are going to carry you the rest of the game......every 1 cost falls pretty hard at late game and costs 2 except for Lulu and Pyke with items fall off too. You can easily replace any early ranged carry with Draven and he will use those items much better unless you are running rangers and if you plan too you certainly should be saving the good items for Ashe because she's much better than the others.

Jamaree1 votes

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Feel like Riot should include a tip to remind people that 3 starring 1 cost and 2 cost units doesn't necessarily mean they are going to carry you the rest of the game......every 1 cost falls pretty hard at late game and costs 2 except for Lulu and Pyke with items fall off too. You can easily replace any early ranged carry with Draven and he will use those items much better unless you are running rangers and if you plan too you certainly should be saving the good items for Ashe because she's much better than the others.

I think Nidalee, Kass, and Warwick are ok as long as you build around them and give items personally

Panthaz891 votes

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I think Nidalee, Kass, and Warwick are ok as long as you build around them and give items personally

Yeah but the main reason you would keep them is for their team buffs not because they can carry hard later in the game..if they aren't part of the bigger plan they are immediately getting replaced by a 2 star Sej, Gnar(rare case with Nidalee since you would only replace her if you have Swain/Shyvana.

Jamaree1 votes

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Yeah but the main reason you would keep them is for their team buffs not because they can carry hard later in the game..if they aren't part of the bigger plan they are immediately getting replaced by a 2 star Sej, Gnar(rare case with Nidalee since you would only replace her if you have Swain/Shyvana.

Idk, guinsoo rpd nidalee is pretty scary late game, but that is fair

PhearBunny1 votes

early game = higher rank champs win. Mid game = team composition starts to matter. Late game = you need high rank champs and team composition.

You had no composition, you just had a bunch of random stuff. If anything you shudda been fishing for a Elemental bonus, or 4/4 Gunslinger

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