TFT is literally just a race for noble right now, and it's honestly really not fun. Every game I haven't tried to get noble I've lost to a noble comp. This really needs to be fixed. Tbh this is the only time since its release where I haven't been enjoying TFT.
BigIdea8 votesThere shouldn't be 1 comp that trounces everyone else. Takes away from the tactics/strategy aspect of the game. In my 1v1s, I've played literally all completed comps against nobles - 6 blademasters, 6 sorcerers, slingers, demons, etc and tried all sorts of positioning adjustments (while the nobles player can literally afk) and I've lost every single time. Anyone is basically resigned to 2nd place against nobles.
iWhipple1 votesSS can beat noble if the correct items are used, also if Swain shows up in game
Garen is adopted1 votesSS can beat noble if the correct items are used, also if Swain shows up in game
shapeshifter hex or what kind of shapeshifter comp?
Cräfty3 votesI made posts, before, complaining about Nobles, too. But, in retrospective, I think the problem is not the Noble buff itself, but 
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She's too strong of a unit, even after the recent nerfs. Her making 2 targets unkillable for 2.5 sec is too OP, leaving your units hitting 2 immune targets like dummies, while that Draven or Jinx is kicking your ass. And yes, I said Draven or Jinx, since nowadays every Noble comp needs one.
They really need to change Kayle's ult to something else. Something like:
targeting 1 unit (lowest %HP) and each rank the duration goes up (3/4/5 sec). I think it would be better to play against, while also being a good ult to use herself.
Or maybe make it like the SR ult where it only shields 1 unit for 2/ 2.5 / 3 sec and then deals damage to every enemy near the shielded target, in a radius of 1 / 2 / 3 hexagons. Also, the damage increases each rank: something like 200 / 350 / 500. The damage need to be a bit low since the ability has too much utility.
However, with all being said, I still wanna say that I actually beat Nobles with many differents comps, but you need 
or Red buff in each of them. Here are the comps that I beat Nobles with, not so easily though:
6 Shapeshifter / 2 Demons / 2 Dragons... (Swain + Shyvana carry)
4+ Gunslingers / 3+ Blademasters... (Jinx + GP and/or Yasuo carry)
4+ Brawlers / 3+ Sorcerers / 3 Void with the occasional Phantom buff if lvl 9. (A.sol and/or Karthus + Cho'gath and/or Vi carry)
4+ Brawlers / 3+ Assassins / 3 Void... (Rengar + Cho'gath and/or Vi carry)
6 Demons / 3 Elementalist with the occasional Glacial debuff. (Swain + Brand + Aatrox and/or Morgana carry)
4 Imperials / 3+ Blademasters / 2+ Knights... (Swain + Draven and/or Yasuo carry). Although I will say that one time, and only one time, Katarina did solo carry me late game because I invested 3 items on her (2 seraphs + Ludens).
And I witnessed my friend beat Nobles with 3 Void / 6 Assassins as well (Rengar and Zed + Cho'gath carry).
iWhipple1 votesI use the SS build as well and always win, except recently i havent seen swain in tft AT ALL, other players have confirmed to not see him as well
Yall Garbo1 votesI made posts, before, complaining about Nobles, too. But, in retrospective, I think the problem is not the Noble buff itself, but
She's too strong of a unit, even after the recent nerfs. Her making 2 targets unkillable for 2.5 sec is too OP, leaving your units hitting 2 immune targets like dummies, while that Draven or Jinx is kicking your ass. And yes, I said Draven or Jinx, since nowadays every Noble comp needs one.
They really need to change Kayle's ult to something else. Something like:
targeting 1 unit (lowest %HP) and each rank the duration goes up (3/4/5 sec). I think it would be better to play against, while also being a good ult to use herself.
Or maybe make it like the SR ult where it only shields 1 unit for 2/ 2.5 / 3 sec and then deals damage to every enemy near the shielded target, in a radius of 1 / 2 / 3 hexagons. Also, the damage increases each rank: something like 200 / 350 / 500. The damage need to be a bit low since the ability has too much utility.
However, with all being said, I still wanna say that I actually beat Nobles with many differents comps, but you need
6 Shapeshifter / 2 Demons / 2 Dragons... (Swain + Shyvana carry)
4+ Gunslingers / 3+ Blademasters... (Jinx + GP and/or Yasuo carry)
4+ Brawlers / 3+ Sorcerers / 3 Void with the occasional Phantom buff if lvl 9. (A.sol and/or Karthus + Cho'gath and/or Vi carry)
4+ Brawlers / 3+ Assassins / 3 Void... (Rengar + Cho'gath and/or Vi carry)
6 Demons / 3 Elementalist with the occasional Glacial debuff. (Swain + Brand + Aatrox and/or Morgana carry)
4 Imperials / 3+ Blademasters / 2+ Knights... (Swain + Draven and/or Yasuo carry). Although I will say that one time, and only one time, Katarina did solo carry me late game because I invested 3 items on her (2 seraphs + Ludens).
And I witnessed my friend beat Nobles with 3 Void / 6 Assassins as well (Rengar and Zed + Cho'gath carry).
imo the problem with Kayle its not her ult, its the speed on which she gather mana, so she spams ult too fast.
Garen is adopted3 votesThe only truly op thing about nobles and the reason everyone spam them is that they are easy to understnad, you need 6 nobles and a carry, knowing that you know what units to buy, not like brawlers void, brawlers sorcery, yordle shapshifters and so on where you need a lot of specific components and combination of classes to make it work.
Z3SIeeper1 votesYeah then after you graduate from bronze into silver you see people have learned that you can mix other shit in with Nobles.
The only truly op thing is that it gives Armor and MR and healing on-hit all of which has no direct counter other than general anti-healing.
We nerfed the hell out of Cho'Gath and thus the Void synergy, only to realize he was all that was stopping the Noble tyranny.
WorksAtAGayBar2 votesAnother issue is that Noble units are relatively cheap. Fiora, Garen and Vayne are all 1 cost units and Lucian is 2. While most of the other comps units have only one or two units at 1 cost. I think they need to increase the cost of one of them to 2 cost, either Vayne or Fiora.
koshkyra2 votesThis is the main issue imo. You can get the noble buff like 30 seconds into the game. The only other buff you can get right away is wild but wild is both underpowered atm and only a 2-buff and not a 3-buff.
Kshaway1 votesThis is the main issue imo. You can get the noble buff like 30 seconds into the game. The only other buff you can get right away is wild but wild is both underpowered atm and only a 2-buff and not a 3-buff.
There isn’t just nobles or wild There are lots of strong early openers also:
Knights: Easy Strong Opener Void: Really solid pick (Completely counters noble) Gunslingers: Less strong, but still good Pirates: Great for Econ Blademasters: If you get lucky, real strong Brawler: Meh but they work Assassin: Pretty okay start Hextech: Meh at best Shapeshifter: Awful just Awful Open forting: Bonus 2 gold Econ + Carousel priority.
Early Noble is not a problem. Late Noble is
(Note: Wild is a good opener as Nidalee 2 and Ahri both have great early game power)
We Windöws1 votesEarly Noble is not a problem. Late Noble is
I think his point here is that Nobles get to have their cake and eat it too. Considering how easy it is to get right off the bat it puts whoever did get it at an advantage in the early game AND the later stages of the game because it would be easier to fully complete. One of those aspects needs to change for Nobles to be truly balanced.
Kshaway1 votesAnother issue is that Noble units are relatively cheap. Fiora, Garen and Vayne are all 1 cost units and Lucian is 2. While most of the other comps units have only one or two units at 1 cost. I think they need to increase the cost of one of them to 2 cost, either Vayne or Fiora.
I don’t think that is an issue. Noble is supposed to be a strong early, and really strong late. Nobles are super weak mid game. The problem is how easy finding a Kayle is. (People are finding Kayle level 6 and 7.)
We Windöws1 votesI get to level 6 almost every game before the stage 3 carousel. IMO with how strong Nobles is early and late it should be much harder to complete. The way I would do it is to make Lucian cost 3 and Fiora cost 2. That way it's still possible to get early Noble buff but far less likely and it also pushes final completion back to a point where you have to question whether it's worth losing rounds for (Right now I don't believe you even have to question it).
Garen is adopted2 voteswell yeah but actually not. Nobles are not the most op part, you can bring kayle in any comp acutally and use it better than on nobles. In fact, I think if you go 6 knights and an carry you have more chance to win, espeically against nobles (that are mainly focused on dps and guess what, knights counter it without anything else than their presence). The only real problem is literally Kayle, trust me, I abuse nobles as hell and rarely someone know to counter (isee people for some reason trying assassins most of times to burst my jinx/draven, isnt ending to good for them). Brawlers are still pretty busted, especially Cho gatch, Gnar is a stupid champion in a stupid origin too that can solo your team if you're unlucky and have no rfc and a lot of hard cc. Nobles are just a late game insurace countered by a lot of things like:
If anything I truly think nobles needs a buff, even a direct one, or on every champion except kayle, and for kayle to increase her mana cost a little.
Porglit2 votesI've routinely beat Noble comps. There are ways to make it happen, you just have to know how. =)
Sire Hippington2 votesdon't know, don't have much issue with nobles, only kayle lvl 2 in any comp is cancer, and jinx/draven are still obscene with **ANY **frontline, and nobles simply can easily fit them in.
certain items, hextech, kayle lvl 2, some hyper carries like jinx, draven and karthus, those are the real issues
DartExplosion101 votesits getting nerfed again next patch
Sirsir1 votesI feel like I've seen "[Trait] is ruining this game" for like, 2/3s of the traits in the game...
Sussiex1 votesThe only time I have successfully defeated a Noble comp was through use of Sorcerers - I had an Aurelion Sol with deathcap + Seraphs. The burst typically allowed him to 1 shot/hard chunk tankier units, but without that unit on my team they were just too bulky from noble passive.
In any other circumstance, I was stomped to the ground. Heck, most of the time the round ends with minimal damage to the enemy and it feels pointless to even try against the comp.
Subdue1 votesThe only time I have successfully defeated a completed Noble comp...
I fixed that for you. Once the Noble comp manages to get its 2 star Kayle it gets very powerful and difficult to beat. However, most of the time Noble comps die early. The 3-Noble buff is actually pretty weak in the mid game, and for Nobles you typically have to econ hard to level up fast otherwise you might not get your Leona and Kayle, so you are generally weaker and sacrificing HP to complete your comp. Going for Nobles is a significant risk, so the reward for it should be substantial.
Kshaway1 votesThe only way times I ever beat nobles is with Morello and units like, Sejauni, Cho'gath, and Gnar
These 3 Units really help versus Nobles, as they have huge crowd control area of effect.
But I agree it is very dumb that all games are build a comp, level early, high roll for Kayle, transition into nobles, and get top 4.
RadeticDraws1 votesIkr I have always tried other combinations but time and time again they just wouldn't work (other than one time when I finished with 100HP using pirate+gunslinger combo) so I decided to join them and start using noble
It is sadly what people must do in order to get lp
l MrD l1 votesNobles do too much tbh
Compared to knights just auto damage reduction for the team or guardian which is just armour for whoever is touching them ... nobles provide MR and armour as well as on hit life steal for the whole team when at 6 ... granted its when its 6 units but its still too much .... i would honestly just prefer the onhit lifesteal but buffed up a bit
Darkstar Annie1 votesFull team of 6 sorcerers and 2 demons can destroy a team of 6 Nobles and 2 whatevers (Knights, Glacials, Imperials).
Ratpie1 votesI really don't think it is nobles synergy that is the problem. Most good comps can nuke past the buff. Gunslingers/blademasters/sorcs, the only one I feel like that struggles is a tanky comp that can't burst (brawlers/void). The problem is Kayle's ult. Almost every round I will blow away half the noble team in a second but then kayles ult starts going off and I lose because all my champs are attacking 1 or 2 champs that can't take any damage. I will have like 8-9 champs vs their 4 left and still lose because I cannot do any damage and the ult is up too often.
A few suggestions: -Make Kayles ult only affect 1 champ at a time. or -Reduce Kayles attack speed or -reduce overall how long or often the ult can be up. or -make Kayle's ult take longer to charge after the initial cast (make her mana pool high, but start with some mana.)
If someone is stupid and puts kayle in the back corner so you can blitz, nobles melts so easy once kayle is out. But if Kayle has decent position it is almost impossible unless you get a lucky AoE that pops Kayle first. That is why sorc does well vs because Sol or Karthus can nuke kayle no matter where she is put.
ShyImagoghnar1 votesi want to hear a high elo player's opinion on the matter tbh
what does scarra think of nobles?
Cräfty1 votesSee his recent videos, he gave his opinion on the matter several times.
TL;DR of his opinion is:
Garen is adopted1 votesi want to hear a high elo player's opinion on the matter tbh
what does scarra think of nobles?
Scarra thinks they are lazy if i remember it good, but not tier 0, he doesnt even try to build them and is looking more for brawlers in early-mid game.
Vonyalo1 votesThis game mode is cancer in it's purest form. I don't know what do you expect from a "roll a dice" type of gameplay.
Reaversal1 votesIt's probably a minor thing, but the fact that completing Noble also gives you a tier 1 Knight bonus on top of that seems a bit excessive.
Only 15 flat damage mitigation that late in the game doesn't sound like much, but that's on top of the big resistances from the Noble buff.
Yall Garbo1 votesTFT is literally just a race for noble right now, and it's honestly really not fun. Every game I haven't tried to get noble I've lost to a noble comp. This really needs to be fixed. Tbh this is the only time since its release where I haven't been enjoying TFT.
they are nerfed on pbe. dont worry about it.
Maleagant1 votesFiora is probably the single weakest champion in the game if you don't take origins/classes into account (she is only useful because she is a noble and a blademaster)
We Windöws1 votesMordekaiser would like a word...
it be lìke that1 votesyou have clearly never gave her a spear, warmogs and dragons tooth. she goes cheese mode.
