Noble bonus should be removed or nerfed into the ground. Change my mind

Z228·Jun 30, 2019·3 votes·1,372 views

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Panthaz89Jun 30, 20192 votes

Nerf Vayne and buff Leona imo....Leona is good but underwhelming compared to other 4 cost...there is something wrong when you'd rather have a fully upgraded Vayne over a Leona. Gnar has amazing CC on transformation, Sejuani has a butload of CC, and Leona Stuns one character for a brief moment and slows the other while being nothing other than meatshield. 4 costs should have a great impact on your team.

NTrumpWeTrustJun 30, 20191 votes

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Nerf Vayne and buff Leona imo....Leona is good but underwhelming compared to other 4 cost...there is something wrong when you'd rather have a fully upgraded Vayne over a Leona. Gnar has amazing CC on transformation, Sejuani has a butload of CC, and Leona Stuns one character for a brief moment and slows the other while being nothing other than meatshield. 4 costs should have a great impact on your team.

A lot of her power is shoved into her syngery with braum. For those of you who dont know, you should be going leona/braum in your noble comps and the guardian buff STACKS. That means leona applies the buff once and braum applies it once. It's a huge buff to the team, so her being kinda meh is totally justified. As for the OP, Noble seems fine given how bad fiora/lucian are plus you have to find a kayle in time. It's good, don't get me wrong, but it's not broken.

The only comp that needs a nerf is the god comp of Asol + shapeshifters and MAYBE imperial, but that has to do more with draven being insanely busted.

Edit: I forgot chogath, nerf that guy

Panthaz89Jun 30, 20191 votes

Guardian buff is weak and laughable if the other team is using void.....no the buff doesn't compensate for being a 4 cost unit...every character contributes to team buffs...Gnar has THREE of them in yordles, wild, and shapeshifter all of which are better than guardians and 2 of them are better at 2 since SS only applies at 3. Like the other games in its genre a 4 cost not standing out on its own is ridiculous you can throw in a Gnar, Sej, lone Akali, and practically any other 4 cost and they will have way more impact than a single Leona. Everybody uses Leona with Braum in Nobles it isn't rocket science man.

NTrumpWeTrustJun 30, 20191 votes

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Guardian buff is weak and laughable if the other team is using void.....no the buff doesn't compensate for being a 4 cost unit...every character contributes to team buffs...Gnar has THREE of them in yordles, wild, and shapeshifter all of which are better than guardians and 2 of them are better at 2 since SS only applies at 3. Like the other games in its genre a 4 cost not standing out on its own is ridiculous you can throw in a Gnar, Sej, lone Akali, and practically any other 4 cost and they will have way more impact than a single Leona. Everybody uses Leona with Braum in Nobles it isn't rocket science man.

That's called a counter lol. Do people not look at what other people are building? Use your minimap, folks. Do you expect to have some trouble with someone building a void comp? Then get Sej, you'll get some extra cc with ashe (who should be played in the first place for the ranger buff unless you want kindred +morde). Is the guy building void doing poorly? Is no one building void? Go guardian and make your team nearly unkillable.

gnar is better than x isn't a very good argument, sorry. You can't compare champions in a vacuum, unless you're comparing transition units. Chogath is better than reksai, is a fair comparison because they provide the same synergies while one being straight up better than the other and that's done on purpose. You're comparing apples and oranges. It's a 2 champion cost for a huge buff. Yes the POTENTIAL of gnars synergy is higher but you need more to pull them off, so they pay off more if you can get a hold of it. Not everything is going to be equally powerful. Leona + braum is much easier to pull off, provides a good buff to your team.

Also consider if they buff leona, that's just a straight up buff to nobles, which they do not need. And lastly, comparing one of the best units in the god-comp (asol + shapeshifters) to a leona only serves the point that the best comp in the game might need some tuning down rather than leona needing a buff

Not sure why there's this perception that every unit has to be doing an equal amount of work as every other champion in their tier.

Panthaz89Jul 1, 20191 votes

The point isn't about countering void its that Leona as an individual unit is underwhelming because she is basically the same as Sej except her stun is significantly worse by a longshot despite being the same cost...her ult applying sunlight as a big magic dmg boost when her teammates hit the targets she hit with it would go a long way. Every 4 cost in the other auto-chess games are individually very good to add as an extra unit but Leona has no where near the same impact as the others with her ability which is bull. Fiora also sucks to the point where there is no reason to build her unless you are taking the team buff which is a problem because units still need to stand on their own because you can't always have a team full of units that fit. When a champion is really only in there to provide their synergy buff that's horrible especially when they cost 4. I can throw in Gnar or Sej into literally any comp even without their bonuses and do a significant amount of CC and Gnar will also deal tons of dmg on top of that while acting as a tank just like Leona except even Gnar is also a better tank. Chogath being better than Rek Sai isn't a fair comparison because one is a 2 cost and easier to level and can both fit in void/bruiser together if you wanted.

sliceruserJun 30, 20192 votes

I think full noble (6) is op rn but at the same time it isnt gg easy win level op on top of it being weak midgame and hard to compile late if people grab same the vaynes or kayles and its really hard to scale

ZertryxJun 30, 20191 votes

Honestly they just need to make vayne a 2 cost to stop early game abuse and switch Varus to a 1 cost to keep it so ranger still has progression, noble isnt abused and demon actually has a 1 cost unit

ThisName1sDumbJun 30, 20191 votes

I wouldn't say nerfed to the ground, but a slight nerf might be needed.

Karn BishopJun 30, 20191 votes

Never seen a noble comp win a game so there ya go. Now if you had written knights need to be buffed maybe you might have had a point.

KazamaruJun 30, 20191 votes

So, 3 Nobles make for a very strong early game. And while 6 nobles are insane late game...they have 2 weaknesses. #1: You have to have kept your early game nobles and you have to see Kayle. Some games that just doesn't happen.

Secondly, Nobles just die to Sorcerer comp unless you have Draconic Nobles...which is actually busted.

So, while early game nobles are oppressive, I don't think it should get nerfed in any substantial way.

IcyShadow11Aug 4, 20191 votes

all im saying is that 6 nobles with some tanks are broken. i've lost now multiple times now to a team with all nobles and some good enough tanks who continuously heal. and its easy to get all 6 nobles since 4 of them are 2 gold and below.