Disucssing how disappointed I am with Riot Games development of TFT from Beta to live...

aloosh smurf·Jul 22, 2019·19 votes·8,143 views

-As a player, when TFT Beta first was launched, I was overly excited. The game was balanced, strategic, and there was a lot of thought into every decision you made. I've been grinding TFT since it was released. In the beta, the only comp that was overbalanced was sorc/solari but at the same time it was slightly difficult to get since most other comps were so balanced and good as well...for example. You could play: Solari/Sorc Rangers/Knights Brawlers/Knights 6 Noble Assasin Ninja Assasin Demons Blademaster/Knights Draven Glacial/Ranger

^^^ All of those comps and more that I have probably forgotten were viable...

THEN, WHERE RIOT GAMES COMES INTO PLAY, THEY DECIDED TO ABSOLUTELY RUIN TFT IN THE MATTER OF 1 PATCH. HOW? -Only viable comps are... Ninja assassin (Akali) Brawler (voli)

Any other comp at high elo is unplayable, literally unplayable. YOU CANNOT RANK past p1-d4 with anything else but those two.

I was in a game recently, where 7/8 of the players went akali/voli and the one player who didn't...BY NO SUPRISE placed 8th...CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY RIOT DECIDED TO MAKE ALL OF THESE CHANGES TO COMPLETELY MAKE THE GAME ONE SIDED AND UNBALANCED????

Strategy doesn't matter anymore. Money management doesn't matter anymore. Its literally the first person to get Ninja Assasin lvl 2 with a stacked akali or Voli with brawlers/glacial INSTANTLY win.

I'm so utterly mind blown at Riot Games incompetence. TFT was balanced and well thought out in the beta, all that needed to be done was nerf solari/sorc...for example, limiting ONE SOLARI per player and reducing it to 200 HP instead of 300, and making sure everyone gets atleast 1 item from PVE spawns each round. Thats ALL that needed to be done. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.

TFT is literally now unplayable at high elo because you CANNOT simply climb without going one of those two comps...

MAKE THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE.

Please upvote this post and get Riot game designers to see this to realize how disappointing this is to the players, it really is INEXCUSABLE how bad they have made the game within 1 patch. Sad...

-Kantas

19 Comments

iainB85Jul 23, 20195 votes

While Akali / Voli are obviously over performing and need to be adjusted, I think you are a bit biased.

Did you ever think all of those synergies were "viable" because almost nobody knew what they were doing?

Metas are going to be established in competitive online games like these no matter what Riot does. As long as they remain active and making changes I'm not waving the doomsday flag quite yet.

Ser ParmesanJul 23, 20191 votes

There is not a single game(i play in normals so it might actually be less there) where at least 4 dudes go for the meta comb. Usually these 4dudes will get the top 4ranks.

I am playing good combs with much synergy and sometimes i even win, but in order to win i need to get so specific items/champions that i can barely put this off.

A meta is fine, but this is not intented I think, they say: dont force a comb. But any comb that is not around gunslinger/voli is at an absurd distadvantage. I really hope they realize that this game cannot be balanced on a weekly basis, this is not lol, this is tft- it is very clear what is op after one or two days, so they should just fix it then, not 5-6days after. Just hotfixing things between patches would be so nice, its so stupid to wait for 6days to get the game fixed because some champ/item is rediculous overpowered.

hotfix gunslinger buff, cursed blade, voli and akali and the game would be playable again.

ToolmakerJul 23, 20193 votes

They shouldn't have put a ranked in this game mode. It's rng, not competitive.

HěroJul 23, 20192 votes

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They shouldn't have put a ranked in this game mode. It's rng, not competitive.

Not to mention all the bugs which still exist in this gamemode like champs who're just running around like a headless chicken or do nothing at all for 5+ seconds, literally ruining ur comb. And Riot thought it would be a good idea to push out ranked this early...

Sewer SideJul 23, 20193 votes

Hearthstone is RNG and has competitve matches.

Yugioh is RNG and has competitive matches.

DotA has RNG and has competitve matches.

RNG BAD isn’t an argument.

LordBrascaJul 23, 20195 votes

Card games have less RNG.

You can choose the cards to put in your deck and also with the passing of turns the chances of getting the card that you want costantly increases since the deck has a limited amount of cards.

It's not that RNG is always bad, it's when there is way too much RNG that it's bad.

ToolmakerJul 23, 20192 votes

What this guy said. Tft has way too much rng. They wouldn't even give aram a ranked because of rng, but they give this rng game a ranked mode because a lot of people are playing it and they want to take advantage of people's competitive mindset and twitch. That's why they released the highest mmr also.

You can't get the items you want without rng. You can't get the champions you want without rng. You can't face the opponent you want without rng. You can't get the comp you want without rng. Champion upgrades are rng. Class and origin buffs are mostly rng, a lot of the items are rng. You are punished for win streaking because you get last place in the carousel round. I have played this game and when I win, it is always because of good rng. My last two wins, I had gotten 4+ bows, ninja assassins with 2+ 3 star units. Is it skill that I won those games? Was it skill when people are building 3 or more lockets or get a 3 star voli with glacial and demon and freeze your whole team to death and mana burn them?

They also haven't worked out all the bugs, and they're trying to make me believe this game is a competitive mode based on skill.

A921Jul 24, 20191 votes

Depends what kind of RNG, Card game RNG isn't bad because its rng for WHAT resources you get and not HOW MUCH you get, In card games both sides usually start with the same amount of cards but they pick up different ones, that isn't bad In TFT someone can get 3 items off minions, while someone else gets 2 more gold, that is bad

aloosh smurfJul 22, 20192 votes

Homeless VeteranJul 22, 20192 votes

Knights... LOL at this point could DOUBLE all the damage reductions on knights to 40/80/160 and would still lose

AuronRooJul 23, 20191 votes

its truly sad, 2 knights are viable to krugs if youre lucky.

As far as drops almost every start of game my first 3 minion round drops are, in no particular order, 1 gold, 2 gold, one item. Id say over 90% of the time.

LordBrascaJul 23, 20192 votes

Maybe it's just me, but it has never been even remotely close to balanced to me.

Having 3 of the same item should have never been a thing.
The stuns of Glacials being based on autoattacks is a joke, the % chance of stuns needs to be really low since that % stacks with the number of glacials and attack speed. You literally have your whole team permastunned for the whole match, you can't even build items to counter that since tenacity is still not a thing in tft. The problem is not just autoattacks, but also their spells, on top of permastunning you with autoattacks they will also stun you with their ults.
The noble's bonus is too strong (even if the champ who gets it is rng) early game and too easy to archieve since half of the nobles cost 1 gold. Garen can literally 1v3 early game just because of that.
Knight's bonus is only """good""" during the first rounds.
Yordle's bonus should be reworked into something else. It's completely unfun both to play and to play against, either they suck or are op completely based on your luck. Such fun!
AT LEAST 1 item for PVE round should be guaranteed. 1 gold instead of that is nothing but an horrible joke.
Some champions are obviously overpowered compared to the rest. They work really well even without bonuses.
Demons have been overbuffed.

And probably i also forgot other things. Fact is, they are trying to keep the game as much RNG as possible so that people who don't know what they are doing they can still win, plus RNG requires less balancing which means less work for the Riot's team.

hYdRoKKJul 23, 20191 votes

Lol so true. Demons are way too op... Or perhaps everything else is way too weak? Promise me that you guys will never try an early void comp!

PenthouseMackJul 23, 20191 votes

The game is still in Beta and they are going to be making a lot of changes during the coming patches. Yeah those strategies are insane, I just came off a free win myself (surprise, assassins with Akali). I've also been getting wins with demons and also gunslinger with utility items (usually 3 item trist with Rageblade, Cursed Blade, and Sword breaker). I think there are viable strategies but balancing definitely needs to happen and it will. What baffled me the most was the pirate nerf and the assassin buff coming into the recent patch. Pirates were already complete shit and assassins were already overpowered. It is what it is. Riot games is insanely bad at balancing a game they've been working on for 10 years, so expect something thats been out for only a few months to be extremely bad. It will get better with time, hopefully.

hrooza dota Jul 23, 20191 votes

Knights were not and are not a comp, idk about beta and pbe but on 9.13 everyone was fucking running the same champions Chogath Sejuani Gnar those 3 were fucking everywhere and it was unfun to just play heavy CC tanks with whatever you like and get wins because of busted aoe CC , i tried to go away from them but almost every comp was unplayable without 1 or more of them even 6 sorc.

i bet if ranked was in 9.13 you will see the same thing with voli/akali but instant with the CC tanks trio.

oh and little later we saw sorcs item abuse which become a pure nonsense overpowered thing that akali and voli are no where near it in power [they still use a gnar in there as will because why not?]

DyromicJul 23, 20191 votes

Knights are only good if you can pull of an early 3 star Darius or Garen with Dragon Claw+Thornmail/Phantom Dancer+Warmog, depending on whether the enemy is playing Assassins or Draven or not.

Even if you can pull it off, you're better off rushing a Braum with the exact same items for better effect and the chance to play Voli/Glaciel Elementalist/Glacial Rangers.

aloosh smurfJul 24, 20191 votes

Looking at the comments. I agree and disagree with some of you.

Yes Hearthstone and other card games are RNG, but not THIS RNG in THIS META of TFT, if you don't go volibear/akali...the game is literally unplayable. You simply cannot place 1st.
Secondly, Knights need a buff, sorcs need a buff now, ninja assasins need a HUGE nerf, brawlers and voli need a huge nerf. Demons are pretty balanced in my opinion. Cursed blade is disgusting...needs a nerf.
In beta, the game was balanced. Income was important, saving properly was important. Rolling down was important. Knowing when to push your lead was important. 8-10 viable comps, the game was well made and balanced, now its pretty awful...in a span of 1 patch. Gunslingers fall of too hard unless you get 3-4 tier 3 units.

Continue to conversation. Please give me your inputs. I want riot to make changes. TFT has alot of potential but not in its current form...

Thanks