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PLEASE equalize item drop rates

Nom Nom Onion··18 votes·5,816 views

It's soul crushing to get nothing but gold drops while other players get 3 items from the 1st neutral round. I just played a game where I got no items from either the 1st or 2nd neutral rounds (4 neutral battles total). I surrendered immediately. This mechanic entirely wipes you out of the game regardless of what you do. The game is currently too RNG based, and this would be one step to reduce that. You still would have the RNG aspect of which items you get, but without having certain players get completely shafted.

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Undustas3 votes

Hate to break the news but items by end game are typically even...usually within an item or 2 apart.

I find if I get nothing at the start I get 4 items or so from raptors or krugs.

Typically always even out to people getting 6 completed items.

Nom Nom Onion7 votes

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Hate to break the news but items by end game are typically even...usually within an item or 2 apart.

I find if I get nothing at the start I get 4 items or so from raptors or krugs.

Typically always even out to people getting 6 completed items.

Thanks for the breaking news, but you're not making it to late game if you're not getting items in the first place.

Undustas2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nom Nom Onion,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=KK2ojYh6,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-02T18:27:36.899+0000)

Thanks for the breaking news, but you're not making it to late game if you're not getting items in the first place.

Oh?

My 14-1 record for last 15 games says otherwise.

Or I'm just really lucky huh?

Nom Nom Onion5 votes

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Oh?

My 14-1 record for last 15 games says otherwise.

Or I'm just really lucky huh?

Lucky? Perhaps. But insufferable, definitely.

Undustas2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nom Nom Onion,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=KK2ojYh6,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-02T20:05:53.864+0000)

Lucky? Perhaps. But insufferable, definitely.

Insufferable is crying on a forum about how you lost then blame it on RNG like the other bad players do.

Nom Nom Onion5 votes

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Insufferable is crying on a forum about how you lost then blame it on RNG like the other bad players do.

No insufferable is lying on a forum about your record. Seems like a mental issue, definitely get some help.

Undustas2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nom Nom Onion,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=KK2ojYh6,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-02T20:35:35.346+0000)

No insufferable is lying on a forum about your record. Seems like a mental issue, definitely get some help.

If only my ranked games were public records where you could go look at them and be taught a lesson about putting your foot in your mouth.....OH WAIT... Lolchess.gg shows ALL ranked game matches..can't hide anything anymore!!

All you need to do is put in my username for league...if only you knew that..oh wait it's the same name I'm posting on...what a small world...

Stay bad and insufferable.

Nom Nom Onion3 votes

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If only my ranked games were public records where you could go look at them and be taught a lesson about putting your foot in your mouth.....OH WAIT... Lolchess.gg shows ALL ranked game matches..can't hide anything anymore!!

All you need to do is put in my username for league...if only you knew that..oh wait it's the same name I'm posting on...what a small world...

Stay bad and insufferable.

You are 9-54, 14.3% win rate. That's just above the average of 1/8. You clearly have some serious mental issues. Good luck man.

Undustas2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nom Nom Onion,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=KK2ojYh6,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-02T22:39:28.075+0000)

You are 9-54, 14.3% win rate. That's just above the average of 1/8. You clearly have some serious mental issues. Good luck man.

Man you are dense.

It only counts #1 spot as a win on that site. So yes I have a 14% chance of #1, but you gain points for top 4...which is still a win as you GAIN points, but the site only counts #1 as a win for the records.

I'm plat 4 I'm higher than over 70% of the people that play the game, including you. If you look down at all the matches and look at the up arrow as me gaining points you will see if my last 15 matches I got points 14 out of 15 times, but that site only counts wins as placing #1.

I'm better at the game than you, the game isn't all RNG, its about skill. Which you lack.

Nom Nom Onion4 votes

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Man you are dense.

It only counts #1 spot as a win on that site. So yes I have a 14% chance of #1, but you gain points for top 4...which is still a win as you GAIN points, but the site only counts #1 as a win for the records.

I'm plat 4 I'm higher than over 70% of the people that play the game, including you. If you look down at all the matches and look at the up arrow as me gaining points you will see if my last 15 matches I got points 14 out of 15 times, but that site only counts wins as placing #1.

I'm better at the game than you, the game isn't all RNG, its about skill. Which you lack.

Jesus it's hilarious how you lurk the forums going out of your way to make it clear how good you are. That is the DEFINITION of INSUFFERABLE. I had a feeling you were pulling the top 4 bs. By the way, being top 70% is NOT good lmfao. Imagine some idiot platinum player posting on the forums about how good he is and how bad other players are. THAT'S YOU BUDDY.

Undustas1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nom Nom Onion,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=KK2ojYh6,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-02T23:22:17.872+0000)

Jesus it's hilarious how you lurk the forums going out of your way to make it clear how good you are. That is the DEFINITION of INSUFFERABLE. I had a feeling you were pulling the top 4 bs. By the way, being top 70% is NOT good lmfao. Imagine some idiot platinum player posting on the forums about how good he is and how bad other players are. THAT'S YOU BUDDY.

Even if it's not good, I'm only better than 70% of all players who play TFT, just know I'm better at the game and will always be higher ranked in this game than you. Just know when you wake up and look at yourself in the mirror you will be stuck in iron or bronze all of TFT and you will never be higher than I am.

Nom Nom Onion4 votes

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Even if it's not good, I'm only better than 70% of all players who play TFT, just know I'm better at the game and will always be higher ranked in this game than you. Just know when you wake up and look at yourself in the mirror you will be stuck in iron or bronze all of TFT and you will never be higher than I am.

And when you wake up, just remember that this will always be your highest calling. You will never accomplish anything of value in the real world. You will never have any friends. You will never be able to form meaningful relationships. You will always be an outcast. This game is the only thing for you to be proud of.

Undustas2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nom Nom Onion,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=KK2ojYh6,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T00:02:10.224+0000)

And when you wake up, just remember that this will always be your highest calling. You will never accomplish anything of value in the real world. You will never have any friends. You will never be able to form meaningful relationships. You will always be an outcast. This game is the only thing for you to be proud of.

That's all speculation on your end with no concrete evidence to support your claims. You would like to think that, I know.

However, there is proof and evidence I'm better at this game, that knowledge alone let's me sleep peacefully. You on the other hand...ouch...gonna be Iron for life big fella?

Orion691 votes

I'm curious why you think top 70% isn't good. It's better than average, by a good amount and only 30% of the other players are better than you. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of good. Maybe not great, but definitely fits within the realm of good.

BestPudgeNA2 votes

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Man you are dense.

It only counts #1 spot as a win on that site. So yes I have a 14% chance of #1, but you gain points for top 4...which is still a win as you GAIN points, but the site only counts #1 as a win for the records.

I'm plat 4 I'm higher than over 70% of the people that play the game, including you. If you look down at all the matches and look at the up arrow as me gaining points you will see if my last 15 matches I got points 14 out of 15 times, but that site only counts wins as placing #1.

I'm better at the game than you, the game isn't all RNG, its about skill. Which you lack.

Your match history on lolchess.gg shows you lost points in 2 of 15 games and 15 games is an obvious selection bias as at 20 games that number jumps to 5. Either way you're lying and bragging about a ranking that's pretty low. The other dude is right that's pretty insufferable.

Here is my lolchess.gg

As for your original point of contention no the items don't "typically" even out. This is the gambler's fallacy btw.

Undustas1 votes

So your only evidence is me going 15-5? LMAO..... Which btw is also wrong.. I actually went 16-4.

Yea we are all high elo on other accounts didnt you know?

Im actually GM on my other 2 accts, i just choose to post on this lower elo one..

Also you're wrong if you scroll down to my "promotion" to gold 4 thats a win, then the next game i lose 7 points, the game after that i go 14-1...counting is hard...

Your next Iron game if you make it to top 4 count the actual items each person has vs you, i bet you its within 1 item.

Atleast present actual data and maybe double check your data, might look less stupid.

Worst JG Wins3 votes

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So your only evidence is me going 15-5? LMAO..... Which btw is also wrong.. I actually went 16-4.

So you admit your selection bias K

Yea we are all high elo on other accounts didnt you know?

Im actually GM on my other 2 accts, i just choose to post on this lower elo one..

Only difference is I'm actually "high elo" on my other account. See i can post on this one xD. You malding bruv?

Your next Iron game if you make it to top 4 count the actual items each person has vs you, i bet you its within 1 item.

I count them frequently in my Diamond 2 games that generally have a few challengers and mostly top 1000 players in them. As well as i pay attention to them in high elo streamers when i watch them. Quite often people are 2 full items behind after chickens(last wave with random item numbers) and quite often anyone that gets less then 2 items off the first minion waves is just hanging on by a thread and trying to eek out a 3/4th place finish or already knocked out.

I had this argument with multiple people in game, Rito's "bad luck protection" is the insignificant amount of gold you get. There isn't anything in the game that increase item drop rate from wolves/chickens if you missed on items early on.

Undustas1 votes

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So you admit your selection bias K

Only difference is I'm actually "high elo" on my other account. See i can post on this one xD. You malding bruv?

I count them frequently in my Diamond 2 games that generally have a few challengers and mostly top 1000 players in them. As well as i pay attention to them in high elo streamers when i watch them. Quite often people are 2 full items behind after chickens(last wave with random item numbers) and quite often anyone that gets less then 2 items off the first minion waves is just hanging on by a thread and trying to eek out a 3/4th place finish or already knocked out.

I had this argument with multiple people in game, Rito's "bad luck protection" is the insignificant amount of gold you get. There isn't anything in the game that increase item drop rate from wolves/chickens if you missed on items early on.

Not really bias, you chose 20 games in which i was 16-4...seems good to me? Calling me bias when you chose the example is kind of stupid?

Yes I'm plat, SO FAR. Did I suggest I wasn't going to climb higher or couldn't??

For the community of this game plat is higher Elo.

Aaaandy1 votes

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Not really bias, you chose 20 games in which i was 16-4...seems good to me? Calling me bias when you chose the example is kind of stupid?

Yes I'm plat, SO FAR. Did I suggest I wasn't going to climb higher or couldn't??

For the community of this game plat is higher Elo.

Wait, didn't you jus say "Im actually GM on my other 2 accts, i just choose to post on this lower elo one..?" oh man...I'm so confused, you didn't just make that up trying to save your face did you? Also, I checked ur "smurf account", it turned out that you just hit Platinum 4 yesterday with a win rate of 14.3%. You know, theoretically speaking, in a game of 8, if all the players are at the same skill level, the win rate should be 1/8 which is 12.5%. You are slightly above that, which is not really good, especially considering you have two other GM accts XD.

Ok, I'm done making fun of you. My point is if you wanna discuss, that's cool. Don't keep showing off while shaming other ppl.

About the item RNG, it definitely needs to be improved. In a high elo game that I watched today, after the minion waves the streamer only had 2 items yet the first opponent he faced got item 3087 and item 3137 and one extra(if I remembered correctly). The streamer said, "in this kind of games you can only aim for the 2nd place." Just think about that, how can this be a balance system if right after the game started you know you basically have no chance to win only because of the item drop?

Undustas1 votes

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Wait, didn't you jus say "Im actually GM on my other 2 accts, i just choose to post on this lower elo one..?" oh man...I'm so confused, you didn't just make that up trying to save your face did you? Also, I checked ur "smurf account", it turned out that you just hit Platinum 4 yesterday with a win rate of 14.3%. You know, theoretically speaking, in a game of 8, if all the players are at the same skill level, the win rate should be 1/8 which is 12.5%. You are slightly above that, which is not really good, especially considering you have two other GM accts XD.

Ok, I'm done making fun of you. My point is if you wanna discuss, that's cool. Don't keep showing off while shaming other ppl.

About the item RNG, it definitely needs to be improved. In a high elo game that I watched today, after the minion waves the streamer only had 2 items yet the first opponent he faced got item 3087 and item 3137 and one extra(if I remembered correctly). The streamer said, "in this kind of games you can only aim for the 2nd place." Just think about that, how can this be a balance system if right after the game started you know you basically have no chance to win only because of the item drop?

You do realize the site you use only counts #1 as a win right??

If you look at my games where I got points, and divide that by total games and multiply that by 100 you will see I'm prolly over a 70% win rate for getting points, but since that site only takes #1 as a win even though the ranked system takes top 4...

How do you not even know that??

Orion691 votes

There isn't anything in the game that increase item drop rate from wolves/chickens if you missed on items early on.

Rito says there is.

That being said, eeking on to 3/4th is still a win in my book. Even with bad item luck, if you're good and build the right items, you should be able to eek 3/4th, which I think is fair, because you're still gaining elo.

Worst JG Wins1 votes

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Rito says there is.

That being said, eeking on to 3/4th is still a win in my book. Even with bad item luck, if you're good and build the right items, you should be able to eek 3/4th, which I think is fair, because you're still gaining elo.

No you just lack reading comprehension skills. NOBODY at Riot has ever said the "bad luck protection" means more items drops later. This is just telephone game nonsense. Riot's "bad luck protection" is the irrelevant amount of gold you get when they don't drop.

Orion691 votes

You're gonna make me look up morts tweet, aren't you? It's not telephone, I saw the tweet directly.

Orion691 votes

Dude, it's not just that site. Rito has said that only 1st place counts as a win. 2-4 just gains you elo. I thought the same thing when you said your last 14/15 games you won. A better word would be "placed" or something, or top 4 finish. I'm with you about blaming RNG about being bad, but you were kind of disingenuous.

Undustas1 votes

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Dude, it's not just that site. Rito has said that only 1st place counts as a win. 2-4 just gains you elo. I thought the same thing when you said your last 14/15 games you won. A better word would be "placed" or something, or top 4 finish. I'm with you about blaming RNG about being bad, but you were kind of disingenuous.

Maybe.

Didn't know riot only counted first as a win since you get points for top 4...seems kinda dumb.

I guess 2-4th gets a participation trophy.

0megon1 votes

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Maybe.

Didn't know riot only counted first as a win since you get points for top 4...seems kinda dumb.

I guess 2-4th gets a participation trophy.

Well usually you win by being first. That does not mean getting silver or bronze medal is worthless, right? You are still doing good, but winning always means being first.

Undustas1 votes

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Well usually you win by being first. That does not mean getting silver or bronze medal is worthless, right? You are still doing good, but winning always means being first.

I agree it's just people try to use the win % against you as if I have a 14% chance on "winning", when in reality I have idk a 70% win rate at top 4?

hoganftw5 votes

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Lucky? Perhaps. But insufferable, definitely.

BOOM ROASTED

0megon2 votes

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Hate to break the news but items by end game are typically even...usually within an item or 2 apart.

I find if I get nothing at the start I get 4 items or so from raptors or krugs.

Typically always even out to people getting 6 completed items.

Yea, it evens out in the end but usually you are going to have bad time during early and midgame. You need to waste your eco and invest in rolls/levels while they can just let their items carry them and winstreak their way through early/mid game. Or at least not loose that much HP and play from safety. If it gets paired with bad rolls you might not even get to the raptors which is the round that usually evens it. In meantime you are forced to complete suboptimal items because some items are still better than no items but since you do not have the luxury of multiple item combinations you just make the one that is possible to complete which is usually worse than having a choice what to complete. Also there is the problem that items are pretty vital for most compositions and once you get to wolves or raptors you are usually set in composition you want to play and you might get items that do not really fit. So yea it evens out, but I would always take items earlier as that allows you more choices and easier planning. And even after the raptor round there are big differences in item counts between players. People who did get really bad item RNG are usually not around to actually compare.

RNG becomes really obvious and painfull once you get paired with people who are actually on your skill level. If you play against bad opponents you can still outplay them but once the skill gets relatively even item RNG makes huge difference. Going only with carousel items(or with like1-2 drops) whole game to wolves is basically suicide and best you can hope is to end somewhere around 5th.

Apoy2 votes

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Hate to break the news but items by end game are typically even...usually within an item or 2 apart.

I find if I get nothing at the start I get 4 items or so from raptors or krugs.

Typically always even out to people getting 6 completed items.

Yeah...No. I just got out of a game where I got 2 item drops and was wiped because my opponent had 4 more items then myself. That is 2 combined items. That's a huge difference. I was lucky on my champ drops so I lasted longer but when you don't have items, you don't have items.

Undustas1 votes

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Yeah...No. I just got out of a game where I got 2 item drops and was wiped because my opponent had 4 more items then myself. That is 2 combined items. That's a huge difference. I was lucky on my champ drops so I lasted longer but when you don't have items, you don't have items.

Not sure what to tell you, i typically make it to top 4 and im telling you the items are typically the same in terms of amount. If i get nothing on the first creep wave i typically end up getting 3-4 items next wave making it even....

Im sure im just lucky though and you obviously cant win because it could only be RNG holding you back.

0megon2 votes

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Not sure what to tell you, i typically make it to top 4 and im telling you the items are typically the same in terms of amount. If i get nothing on the first creep wave i typically end up getting 3-4 items next wave making it even....

Im sure im just lucky though and you obviously cant win because it could only be RNG holding you back.

But if you could choose would you rather take items early or late? Because the fact that items even out in the end(which is not always the case) does not equal to ,,it does not matter if you get them early or late in the game". There are almost no upsides in getting items late, while there is plenty of advantages having them early. And the only time I would rather get gold than items is if the first PvE rounds gave me 1 item and gold as that is the worst RNG you can get in those rounds - 1 item makes no difference unless you can complete some good early game item with it and 3 gold does not really help with anything either. Instead of 1 item and 3 gold I would take 8 gold pretty much all the time, but if I would be getting 2-3 items in the first rounds I would always take that over gold.

Orion691 votes

The upside to late game items is late game comps/transitions. If I'm gunslingers with cursed blade, but it's not working out then switch to yordles (bad example) or Sorcs or something, I'm not getting as much use out of that cursed blade. I can then get some drops and be like shoot, I'm gonna put this Dragon's claw on my tank, and this seraphs on my Karthus and tailor your items to your late game build.

However, that's the only benefit and I agree that item drops should be equal for everyone throughout the game.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

What? You don't think it is fun to go against someone who has 14 items when you only have 7? What a weirdo! Kappa

Bjørnetjenesten2 votes

I actually prefer the extra gold early, as this helps me complete a few more 2-star units and/or gain a 1-2 level advantage over the average. This in itself is stronger early game than a 1-star unit with items. Building a solid comp with 2-3 synergies means you can save up gold and grow your economy faster.

Quite a few times i have found myself in top 3 at krugs, with only ½-1 item from the 1st caroussel.

00Samwise002 votes

Absolutely, nothing like being in first place for half the game then getting stomped late by people who got loaded with items early while you were stuck on just two completed items. Item RNG is like 75% of what determines the winners in every match.

Orion691 votes

If you're 1st place half the game, then you didn't need early items. And actually, late game items would be better for you as you can tailor them to your late game champs better.

Ztoka1 votes

1/2 item from all 3 creep waves, 1 and 2 gold (total of 3 gold + 1/2 item for the first creeps). Faced off against folks who had 2 items built already. Get to krugs, ok bad luck early will help me here. Nope, 6 gold (pretty sure it was 6). Best part, roll luck was ass so the extra gold didn't really help. Sure glad I consistently get gold rather than items.. Gold so op.. F riot.. lmfao

Orion691 votes

Use your gold to build econ, not reroll.

Remni Strath1 votes

Yup, same thing has happened to me on multiple occassions. Dont always lose, but it certainly doesnt make you feel good when you do. Especially when the opponent starts off with a damn shiv, which honestly is more busted than Cursed Blade at this point thanks to how much early game damage it does. Cant come back when youre sitting at 20 hp before even getting to wolves

Naramiel1 votes

I just played a game where I had 1 item at the end of stage 1 and my first PvP was against a player who had 6. I just don't see how Riot can even imagine that that system makes the game better.

Dunker1 votes

This. Either equalize item drops across the board, or allow us to use gold to purchase items. This rng shit is unfair and makes the game noncompetitive.

J Epstein1 votes

I just played another game where I got to wolves before I got any items. I still won but its a noticeably harder game receiving items later. Feelsbadman.

Best Valor NA1 votes

They fixed not getting anything from the first few rounds, now were here, getting either gold or an item. Improvement.

If they do equalize item drop rates, then people will complain that the RNG on what items you get is too impacting.

I don't think this will ever be solved tbh. I understand wanting it to be fair, but it will never be fair as long as RNG has a role in deciding something as vital as items. This will never be solved.

0megon1 votes

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They fixed not getting anything from the first few rounds, now were here, getting either gold or an item. Improvement.

If they do equalize item drop rates, then people will complain that the RNG on what items you get is too impacting.

I don't think this will ever be solved tbh. I understand wanting it to be fair, but it will never be fair as long as RNG has a role in deciding something as vital as items. This will never be solved.

But it would be more fair. Yes, people would still complain but right now RNG plays too big factor. Even just discarding the stupid gold drops and making one item guaranteed would push it closer to being even as everyone would have at least option to complete 2 items before the PvP rounds. Sure you could still face people who would have more, but it would not be as bad as going with 0 or 1 item against a player with 3+ items. I do not think we need totally equalized drops, but I think the game should be more fair considering the drops. Also this is not just about ladder as on ladder it kind of evens out in the end with hundreds of games played, but if they will want to make some competitive scene the RNG is just too big to have any fair competition as items just give you too big advantage. And now we are getting stupid hextech origin because RIOT thinks it is better to have ,,counterplays" than to have more balanced game.

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