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Demon x6 AND blade x6... is it even possible to lose ?

Not tomorrow··2 votes·844 views
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Well apparently it is...

My hypercarry was Varus that had 3 items, blade and 3 Zeke, yes the items in general were not optimal cause I took a strange path to get there, in the end Fiora had no items but still...

Also to note:

  1. I didn't just lose with the first guy who had a super strong team too, I just suffered with the 3rd and the 4th, and won by a small margin.
  2. I never lost my hypercarry, ofc RNG happens but that's not how I lost, everyone else just did much more dmg than me in static condition
  3. I had more men, so basically halfway through the fight I lose 6 guys while killing 3 or something like that on average

I guess gunslinger AOE is just that strong, eh ?

15 Comments

hrooza dota 2 votes

theres few reasons why you would lose with that comp

1 - demons are amazing vs certain comps but meh vs others, they are garbage vs gun slingers because gun slingers count on on hit items with AAs, burning their mana dont matter to them out side of mf who will stay way back anyway.

2 - blade masters triple hit is cool but the blade masters them self are just ok/decent for the most part out side of hasa feed and draven, you replaced draven with varus who does not abuse blade masters much , sure his regen become better but that increase is no where near how blade masters increase draven damage.

3- speaking of draven it look like the first person took all of the dravens in shop and give him the blade masters buff, he most likely hit way to fast and way to hard at the same time then the varus.

Not tomorrow1 votes

I agree with almost everything even though the decisive fight was carried by his MF, I am quite sure Draven was taken out, either by my eve or maybe Brand/some melee circling ? MF was in the corner and survived I think and in the end her AOE finished me.(ofc I am not sure how much dmg Draven did before dying, maybe he really did a lot)

I wish there was a replay for this game, Riot already has it...

On mana a small note, while I agree ofc that his carries didn't need mana, his tanks did. That's the strange thing, how on earth his Shen can tank my team and mine cannot ? (my Shen had 3 items btw) Also I had elise and fiora 3 star making confusion and hopefully tanking a few hits... And my Morg was quite buffed as well.

So in the end I have in my front line 4-5 guys quite strong and they all die before his single tank who is also supposed to not have mana ?

hrooza dota 1 votes

mf would wipe your team if she did a good ulti [unlike my mf who ulti my little legend instant of the enemy units].

for the mana part his shen will tank you because you lack good damage dealers, out side of yasuo and the 3 stared units all your units are mages so they only can kill by the time they get their spells up [and both elise and fiora are not great damage dealers unless they have items] , meanwhile that draven can easily kill one of your units in a single blade proc without needing items, and his gunslingers are most likely filled with on hit items which can destroy your front line [if he had a hush then your front line dont have abilitys like his :P]

i really hope they add the replay next patch, that would help everyone a lot figurine wtf happened in game.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

Yeah the first place guy had a much better comp and OP focused on his Varus, giving him a blademaster buff when he is essentially a mage.

Not to mention the opponent had blademaster AND gunslinger, while OP had blademaster demon. Gunslinger beats demon because gunslinger doesn’t rely on mana to do damage. Blademaster also beats demon for the same reason.

In pokemon terms, their comp was quadruply super effective against OP’s comp.

Not tomorrow1 votes

Yup, but like I stated I also suffered a lot against the others. If I at least melted the others and lost to my counter I wouldnt really ask. But I didn't melt nobody...

Pierce The Veal1 votes

I think the biggest issue you had was letting him get a 3 star draven. You should have bought more dravens. You might have even won if it was only a 2* draven you were facing.

Posui Gart1 votes

6 demons are not that much stronger than 2/4. If your varus was a hypercarry, getting +1 ranger would probably do a better job. I also see only 5 blademasters, so I guess varus had botrk. That 1st place guy probably sacrificed a goat for the rng gods to get draven3. He also has 5 blademasters, and if he had botrk too, that would make 6 just like you had.

Not tomorrow1 votes

Yeah but I really didn't sacrifice much for it, did you see how many guys I had ? I even Yasuo 2 star...

Would you throw away 6 demons already handled to try and get ashe ? And for which ones ? Aatrox was also 2+2 just missing 1 for 3 star, hard to throw him away... And Eve was my only chance to try and get to his back line.

Choices...

Posui Gart1 votes

If you really want that blademasters combo, you could throw away Elise, Eve and Morgana for a Ashe+Anivia+Kennen for ranger glacial elementalists or Elise, Eve and Brand for Kindred+Karthus+Sol for ranger ghost sorcerers. Or you could leave Elise and forfeit some blademasters to get sorcerers with Sol, add Shyvana and Swain for some really strong Swain improved by both demon, sorc and shapeshifter buffs, and Shyvana+Sol surviving MF ult. But I didn't see your game and chances are you couldn't do anything better

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Well apparently it is...

My hypercarry was Varus that had 3 items, blade and 3 Zeke, yes the items in general were not optimal cause I took a strange path to get there, in the end Fiora had no items but still...

Also to note:

  1. I didn't just lose with the first guy who had a super strong team too, I just suffered with the 3rd and the 4th, and won by a small margin.
  2. I never lost my hypercarry, ofc RNG happens but that's not how I lost, everyone else just did much more dmg than me in static condition
  3. I had more men, so basically halfway through the fight I lose 6 guys while killing 3 or something like that on average

I guess gunslinger AOE is just that strong, eh ?

No you lost because your hyper carry is a champion that stops autoing for a significant amount of time to cast a spell, when the blademaster buff is best on a unit that keeps autoing. Turning your Brand, Karma, or Elise into a blademaster would have had a better result.

Despite going blademaster, you didn’t pick up dravens. If you had, you would have also made it harder for him to get a 3 star draven. It looks like he was gunslinger blademaster while you were demon blademaster. But he simply had better units and you let him get that draven.

A 2 star blademaster varus would lose to a 2 star blademaster buff draven, because of the fact that Varus stops to charge as well as because Draven is a tier 4 whereas Varus is a tier 2. Varus was essentially a terrible champion to focus on vs their team comp. And he had a a THREE STAR DRAVEN.

But wait, he also had a two star MF. Just from comps, he outplayed you. Your best bet would have been to focus on your yasuo and your brand. Make them your carries.

What would have also worked well is removing the focus from going 6 demons and stopping at 2-4, putting in more rangers, elementalists, or even shapeshifters. Like taking out that morgana evelynn or maybe even that elise in exchange for something like kindred ashe vayne or Anivia Kennen Ashe. Swain + gnar would have also been swell and Swain wouldn’t have even removed your demon. You could have also worked in Karthus Kindred and one more sorcerer, giving you phantom sorcerer 3. A thornmail braum + a leona would have given your team guardian (and a single other noble, maybe something like Kayle, would have also given of of your blademasters a noble buff). All of these would have potentially allowed you to stand a chance, and I am sure you had the opportunity to do at least one or two of these.

You just tunnelvisioned on the build you were going for instead of counter building/covering your weaknesses. Good job on 2nd place nonetheless.

Titanium701 votes

What do we learn:

  • Buy the Draven: So first place would most likely have not gotten his 3-Star Draven.

  • Move on from Varus: A Level 2, 2 Star is hardly a hypercarry. 4 or 5 should get all you items lategame.

  • Level 3, 1 Stars are good but that's it. While Elise might have some Value, Fiora could easily be said Draven,

  • Eve could easly be a Swain to get Imperial.

ShadWooo1 votes

Fiora could solo that entire match with 6 blademasters. If only she had items.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

I agree with the first and last statements, but the level isn’t the problem with Varus. He focus all his auto attacking item on a champion that stops and charges for a few seconds to launch his spell.

Plus, there are one and two stars that can carry. Fiora, kassadin, nidalee, pyke, etc., etc.. Varus specifically is the problem, not that he was a 2 star unit.

Furthermore, fiora was buffed. She’s actually pretty darn good right now. There was no need to change the blademasters. What needed to happen is he needed to buy some dravens and he needed to switch in two demons to add other synergies to his comp. There were a lot of combos he could have taken. He took one good enough to get second place, but not one that could deal with the first place’s composition.

A 2 star 0 synergy vayne with blademaster would have done a literal ton more damage than that varus.

Not tomorrow1 votes

Blademaster buff on Vayne makes her proc a whole passive ?

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Blademaster buff on Vayne makes her proc a whole passive ?

Yes it does.

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