ARAM Re-roll - - - > Please fix this!

VixiousSycle··20 votes·2,247 views

In champion select last night one of the team has Quinn . She is in the free rotation this week. He re-rolls since no one wants to trade and gets Tryndamere , who is also in the rotation. He grumbles in chat with no one wanting to trade, blows his 2nd re-roll.... and gets Quinn AGAIN! He was not happy about it at all.

A similar event a week or so ago, a team mate re-rolls off Singed (free-roll) and gets his main and chats how happy he is about it. Another team mate decides to re-roll.... and gets Singed and is quite upset because he already declined to trade for him through the system prior to re-rolling.

These events should not be allowed. I am posting in the hopes that we can prevent them from ever happening to anyone else. In both cases at least one player's morale was reduced before it even started which affected mine as the game loaded and likely others with me as well. For most of us re-rolls are not exactly disposable and take a while to earn. I realize that the re-roll process is likely weighted to the free rotation's champs to promote diversity and depth in player's champions. However there does not seem to be much logic in letting the system re-assign a champion a person has already spent a time earned re-roll to dispose of. The same is true if a person has declined that champion in a trade attempt.

There are certainly much bigger TahmKench for you Red's to fry out there, but it is hard to ignore that fixing this will significantly add to the "player experience" merely by not allowing these events to occur and degrade it in the first place.

26 Comments

Actually xPeke3 votes

If you had the champion before you re-rolled you should not be able to get that

However, if a teammate has Singed, and rerolls for Tryndamere and then you get Singed.. that's just how gambling works. If you reroll your pressing the button yourself and basically agreeing you can get a better or worse champion. Your own fault

Axests2 votes

I agree that champions should not be re-rolled if you've already re-rolled them before that lobby. Though honestly it takes only 1-2 games to earn a re-roll. I'm not sure about not being able to roll rotation champions however

VixiousSycle4 votes

It takes much more than 1 or 2 games if you own less than 2/3 of the champion pool. Quite a chunk of time is invested to earn one during which your odds of having to play that same unwanted champion again with no re-rolls remains.

Axests1 votes

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It takes much more than 1 or 2 games if you own less than 2/3 of the champion poo. Quite a chunk of time is invested to earn one during which your odds of having to play that same unwanted champion again with no re-rolls remains.

i suppose i didn't consider that, i have all champions and i like playing all champs so i only re-roll every other game

PT Waluigi2 votes

When you get a champion you don't play: Ok, I'll just reroll

Gets a champion they hate playing immediatly after and out of rerolls:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/067dccafc208f262595ba549934abfdd/tumblr_nsdl80L0jT1uq8fseo4_400.gif

Lintu Puck2 votes

Ummm....it's totally random, and shit like this can and will happen. Heck I have gone into ARAM's where I had the luck of getting Malphite 2 matches in a row right at the start. Other times I get 3 straight ARAM's as champs I am crud at and just had to deal with it. It's like rolling dice. at first you might roll bad, then have a few good rolls, then for a long while nothing but bad rolls for a long while. It. Happens.

Leetri1 votes

Had ~15 champions available on NA. Got Jax 6 times in a row. I don't even like Jax, and it was a custom so I couldn't re-roll. :( That gives me an idea, give everyone 1 re-roll every match in Custom ARAM. It'd be there for the matches you get a free rotation champion you hate to play. It wouldn't interfere with the normal re-rolls you get, just a separate thing for Customs.

Lintu Puck1 votes

well with less champs on your roster that increases your chances of repeats and more becomes a mode where you just have to learn and adapt on the fly. sometimes that is how people learn a champ.

VixiousSycle1 votes

Repeat champion from game to game is NOT the issue.

The issue is:

If you spend a re-roll to dispose of a champion that champion should be blocked from being selected if you choose to use your SECOND and final re-roll possible.

Spending two re-rolls to "improve my personal player experience" and ending up with the same champion I started with is like buying a car twice you didn't want to drive in the first place.

Lintu Puck1 votes

but rolls =/= buying something rolls = a roll of the dice, which will have a chance of hitting the same number you hit a roll or two ago.

Bixits1 votes

Lol this just happened to a friend in an ARAM earlier this week. He rolled a bad pick and got the same pick. I hadn't seen it before then and I was hoping it was just a bug so maybe it can be fixed in the next patch.

SeductiveGrandpa1 votes

There are certainly much bigger TahmKench for you Red's to fry out there

IM BINDING THIS

Cindikle1 votes

Had an ARAM a while back where someone rolled away I think Trynd. And someone else rerolled a second later and got Trynd. Then rerolled, and got the first champion he rerolled(Udry? I think it was).

Someone dodged that one in the end.

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

All "random" at it's finest folks. Between this, horribly one sided match ups (followed by the enemy team taunt spamming cause they know they got better picks) and seeing the same 4-6 champs every match, it would be better just to make them all available in ARAM.

Jungled1 votes

Well. Think about it. If you throw a dice and it lands on 3. Every roll after that has the same chances of landing on 3. So by that logic if you start aram with singed and re-roll singed should still be in the mix because the chance of landing each champion should all be the same.

VixiousSycle1 votes

Negative. Here is how I see it.

We earn re-rolls with our time an effort. We can not buy them and we must spend them to use them. These are all features of a currency.

When re-rolling we have paid for that chance to be reduced or outright eliminated. This is NOT gambling, there is nothing to gain. It is fixed randomization and we paid for our odds of fun to be improved. There is no reason why a champion you rolled off should be able to be re-selected on the 2nd spent re-roll in the same game.

Lintu Puck1 votes

but it IS a gamble -.- the gain is landing a champ you can actually use. you have all the champs you own + the champs on that week's rotation that you don't own.

Champs You Can Use/Available Champs VS Champs You Can't Use/Available Champs

What ever the odds above turn out to be are your odds of getting a champ you can use. When you have a re-roll you have a chance to either net a champ you are better with, but you also have a chance to land a champ you can't play well. THAT is the gamble. When you gamble you have a chance to strike it big or lose your shirt.

and it is a gamble with 9 other people, 4 of which you see who they have before the loading screen. Should the other team strike it big and land a team full of hard cc you have probably lost that gamble, but if YOUR crew has lady luck's favor that round then YOUR group gets the OP team comp.

All RANDOM for a reason, and Random is ALWAYS a gamble.

ReQnosis1 votes

+1 to you good sir!

I play ARAM a lot.. and the sheer amount of times I get the SAME champion in select (even after rerolls), is just dumbfounding and makes me think there's nothing "random" about it. [rage, rage, foam at the mouth, rage]

Seriously, I've had Kayle "selected" for me, 3x games in a row, with many other champs going 2x games in a row, like Aatrox, Singed, Amumu, ect.

Not that I don't mind getting tanks or what not, but because "Rerolls" take so much time to actuire, it would be nice to see Rerolls only "pull from" your actual champion line up, by excluding "free week rotations".

I don't think that's too much to ask tbh.

Professor Ward1 votes

You guys havent realized that aram is a way to force you to play champs that are under the magnifying glass yet?

Centuros1 votes

Also, if you don't already get your re-rolls back if you use them and then somebody dodges, you really should. Unless you dodge, then you should lose a reroll and all progress towards a new one.

Lintu Puck1 votes

you do get the re-roll back if someone dodges after you use it and someone dodges though I am unsure as to what happens if you yourself is the dodger

North8881 votes

A solution that could work is allowing a few more customization options for specifically rerolls. Obviously ARAM could randomly pick from the available champs, but player could possibly pick options before the ARAM roll. Simple things like checking a box to allow it to roll free rotation champs that you don't own, or allow it to roll champs you have not played even once. This could alleviate other possible issues, as well as reduce/remove the chance of rerolling champs that have been declined/rerolled by team members. It's a pretty easy fix. If no one wants the champ, the game should remove them from the roll selection for everyone on a team and allow players some minor choice to prevent them from getting champs they won't get any fun out of.

Habitz1 votes

Did he die because he had to play as Quinn? A re-roll is a risk. You can get a better or worse champ. And as long as it's not the current champ you have I don't see any prob with it randomly picking a previous champ again

Dessim81 votes

All Mid is a fun way to play, never sure why the random caught on. Doesn't Riot hate random mechanics? That's why they removed evasion stat from Tabis... no? Yet they left the random in HA?

Silver Fluffenbu1 votes

also, if you reroll a champ you don't want, the enemy team can get that champ if they reroll after you.

Scientologist1 votes

can we also just get 2 rerolls every match? I hate when people ditch because they are stuck with someone they don't like or being chastised for sticking with the champ your where given even though you know you where gonna do poorly just because you don't have any rerolls because it's eve free week

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