Getting people to ranked Dominion... here is an idea

The problem is that the mode got to a point where people aren't coming (or coming back) without ranked. And nope, everytime you talk to a Rioter about Dominion it's very clear they don't understand how Dom works. One or two does, but the rest (especially the likes of Morello) don't. They'd end up turning it into a new type of SR because SR players "don't feel Dominion is LoL at all". But yes, if they have no desire to fix it they won't do anything and that's pretty much what they do now: nothing.

I was just pointing out what you get points for lol.

I know capturing points are more important than kills in this mode. And you do bring up some good points.

I always put capturing first before killing enemies, but sometimes it's necessary to kill them off to capture a point or points.

The only reason I find defending a good thing is to prevent stealths like Shaco from backdooring one of our points, though as you stated the jungle control is more important and I should focus on that some more.

Lol, I don't usually pay attention to much, I mainly focus on capturing / defending / killing enemies.

SR backlash would be dumb, they've had rewards for their mode's ranked queue. ARAM I could kind of understand since they have about as little as dominion. I personally don't think I mode with random in its name should have ranked, but that's another discussion...

I was talking about the ranked queues for those modes, not the modes as a whole. SR and Treeline both have ranked play if they want to get the ranked rewards. I don't think a dominion exclusive reward would be unfair, as long as it's separate from the other rewards. Like if SR/TT get a Mundo skin, dominion's reward would be only Kassadin. separate rewards for separate modes seems fair to me. Or, if it's not an end-of-season reward, make it something still obtainable, like a few months from when it's announced, so people who don't already play dominion can still try to get it. I suppose this almost falls under "two wrongs don't make a right," but like I said, anyone who mainly played dominion has had to go into other modes for rewards so far, so people having to come to dominion for something is equal, if not fair.

But that is more of a best case scenario, I suppose. You're right that we could use a lot of improvement before ranked, and it's far more likely that anything else will happen first. They've said a few times that ranked isn't something they want to do at the moment. I'm just joining the conversation on my high hopes for the future ;__;

I think of the scoring in dominion almost like if SR counted each time you hit a minion. only the last hit counts, so a full count of attacks on minions is pretty worthless. but if it was there, people would probably care about it. removing the score puts focus more on team strategy than "I have most points i know what im doing"

The nature of ARAM shows it is a fun mode. There is no excuse to defend otherwise. Meanwhile Dominion was created to be competitive (there is even a rioter post from the time Dom was released that confirms this) they even had the plan to add ranked in the early months but when they saw the work to balance everything they gave up. Unfair is to keep things as they are. Even TT need help. We need a solo ranked TT (team ranked removed) and solo ranked Dominion.

Most free skins have looked like dog #$%^ aside from the ranked skins. Referrals benefits riot as well as the player aside from abuse, so I don't have a problem with those. If you were to hand out a skin I would expect a much higher requirement than 25 games. Icons and profile backgrounds should be more than enough it offers more customization outside of the game, which many people wanted years ago. The only improvement to that was ranked borders for profiles and ultimate skins. That is not what people had in mind. I disagree with handing out skins for game modes. The incentive for handing out skins was for you to get constant feed updates from them on facebook, twitter, youtube etc. to draw players back in or have others see through your social media this awesome game you are playing. It was and still is free advertising.

I don't see the benefit of adding a skin to a game mode aside from trying to make it popular. If your game mode is only popular because you bribe people with a skin than you're doing it wrong. What riot should be doing is properly maintaining these game modes and keeping the competitive play alive within them. (only a select few of the game modes are competitive but you could make ascension, dominion, twisted tree line much more competitive since they are not RNG like aram, all for one or IMBA like urf mode.) The problem I have is dominion was left to rot much like twisted tree line. And bots just thrive in those categories for people looking to sell accounts quickly or rack up quick ip in hopes they would not be banned.

Also not to mention but twisted tree line syncing is HORRIBLE. It's just people syncing challenger and diamond ratings by facing the same teams over again and then they sell the teams to people, so they can get "those borders' although riot has tried to crack down on it their efforts have mostly fallen short.

I'm down for another competitive queue with icon, border and or profile banner rewards. I'd be iffy about the skin idea unless the criteria was much higher and actually encouraged people to play competitive in the game mode. If not competitive than have a ridiculously high requirement such as kill amount, assist amount, damage dealt, win amount, game total. ETC. That way any champion type could effectively receive it but only if they are loyal to the game mode and play it consistently. Otherwise riot would lose a lot of potential business to those who seek only the freebies. My 2 cents at least.

That dude does not get it bro... let him talk. Thanks for your support. :)

"Honestly, when I've played Dominion, it's always been a bit of a joke. My friends and I run around like idiots" Explained it all, thanks for your opinion but it's not one we can consider usefull. Sorry. Oh and yes I know ranked is not a magic way (at all) to bring people. But it sure would bring a good amount. Also you focus on SR players, my focus is on Riot seeing the mode can grow and then go for the real player base of Dominion that is not SR players at all. This player base is more about people that don't want the classic mobas but can find some fun in short matches that still takes skill and strategy. People like me that if it wasn't for Dominion would have left LoL about 2 years ago. We aren't that many but there is money to be made on this. Especially becaus the classic moba is going to get saturated.

Actually it can. Kassa used to be a nightmare there than Riot got him right. Kha is strong but not as it used to be. Season 4 was one of the most balanced seasons for Dominion, some champions already have map specific nerfs, Riot changed prospector blade and made ADC's a bit better to play there. One thing they can do now is reduce the speed on some champions like ramus, heca, do something about shaco but without killing the possiblity of back cap. Many balances can be done with longer or shorter cool downs that way keeping the champions very similar to what most players know, just a few needs a bit more work like some useless passives for the mode. Items can basically be the same like Lord Van Damm's Pillager there was no need to make a new item, they just had to keep IE and change the reciple. As I said it's a different mode, balancing it then considering this is not impossible. There were some old players like Sauron that could balance the mode better than any Rioter ever tried to do. So yeah, it's possible.

I've been playing since before launch, and I've seen all sorts of "balance". When you read up and actually talk to the developers of this and many other asymmetric competitive games like this long enough, you begin to realize, if they don't say it themselves, that perfect balance is not possible, and ideal balance is illusory and virtually unobtainable.

The game was actually more balance with fewer characters and more radical moves in the beginning because of the uniqueness of every kit, most of them were powerful in such unique ways that left little room for comparison, they just brought totally different strategies to a team.

The way it is now, it's not balance, as I said, most characters are outclassed and unbalanced because they can't maintain a working balance for this many champions. Because you don't care about champions outside of your play set or haven't been around to see certain fiascoes doesn't mean that Riot is doing it's best. If they can't balance even one mode right, they shouldn't even bother balancing for multiple modes, they should just let players work around the tools available in each mode, as long as a character isn't wildly out of proportion, or a balance issue to SR, they can just let it be and let players us or ban it in other modes as necessary, unranked games have mirror match so players can match broke with broke, and ranked has bans so a handful of unmatched units can be omitted. As long as there are equivalent units to use for two teams, it doesn't matter if their all balanced, this is the exact same "balance" used in competitive play now, a certain portion of the champions are close enough in power to have a competitive match, you can't use just anything, some units have very few opportunities, some are universally outclassed.

And Riot is not some infallible or unapproachable masterpiece. it doesn't even matter if their talented enough to do a good job, because they intentionally ruin stuff with their poor priorities. The game has long been tailored to Esports which is a infinitesimal portion of the playing population. In a game where all their viewers are players, and where playing for most players falls withing average play... there is no reason for significant balance changes to be done for Esports. I've also seen them ruin dozens of champions and even entire roles and strategies not just for viewing priorities, but for inadequacy and unwillingness to invest in maintenance. But worst of all is when completely balance parts of the game are nerfed because they cause newb grief. Features totally balanced or even underpowered in regular and competitive play have been nerfed into orbit just because it's unwelcoming to unfamiliar players. Instead of making a complex campaign mode to prepare players for the features, functions and strategies of gameplay, they just drop content from the game indefinitely. If they ever get back to it, they often use cheap solutions because their too cautious to innovate in the game.

You can adore Riot all you want, some of us have higher standards, and some of us are far better informed...