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Just a normal day in ARAM against a team with Blitz and Darius

Dr Easter··8 votes·1,249 views

Playing Caitlyn, me x Blitz, nice 1x1 dodging his grabs, I'm going to kill him, oh wait... mark dash, ok I manage to use my E and get away, going to kill him, dodged another grab, oh wait, mark dash. Using my E to get distance and try to escape from the enemy, oh wait! Mark Dash rain on the way. Seriously Riot............ remove this spell or allow it only on champions you consider that need a extra help in that mode. And no! The nerfs won't be enough, free engage for champions that don't need it will be always broken. You already has a League of Mobility why you had to make it even worse? >_<"

23 Comments

Zielmann5 votes

I've played the nerfs on PBE, and it's considerably better than it was before. Definitely far less oppressive. The game has some of the old flow of ARAM back, rather than just constant chaos everywhere.

Though I do agree that the spell itself isn't necessarily the correct approach to fixing the 'issues' that melee has. All it's done is buff the melee that were already strong and had their own engage tools. The weak melee at the bottom of the barrel are still just as bad. But in a world where snowball has to exist, the version of it on the PBE is infinitely better than what's on live now.

Dr Easter6 votes

The changes on PBE reduce the spam but still keep champions like Blitz, Poppy (bloody hell! she is Nida ish annoying with Mark Dash) and so many others OP. They'll just be able to do it in longer intervals instead. Not a fix at all. The worst part is when you are trying to escape to give your team time to respawn, you just can't do it and the nerf on distance won't help that much either (considering how far you go in these situations you'll still be in range). >_<

Zielmann1 votes

On the PBE, snowball is no longer a must-have spell. I think that aspect of it right now is what makes is so oppressive feeling on Live servers. I've played games with it and without it on the PBE, and generally if I have a poke champion, I feel I'm better served by taking something like Exhaust in its place. I would still run it on a lot of the melee assassins and initiators.

I think you'd be surprised at how much better it feels with these two changes. It helps a ton that you'll probably only see 1-3 snowballs per team now. And because of the cooldown change, seeing a missed snowball or dodging one actually feels like it opens up a window of opportunity to get poke in.

The changes are a huge nerf to snowball, and you're best off judging it by actually playing it, rather than just blindly saying "it won't help".

Dr Easter3 votes

The window is still too short in the PBE. IMO of course. I don't think it will change much on live. I've seen how things looks nice on PBE and how broken on live too many times xD Hope I'm wrong, but my option on having it allowed only on champions that really need this spell won't change.

Zielmann2 votes

I just think that with the changes planned, it becomes no longer an ideal spell to have on every champion (even with the damage going back to 50/50). With the new range, you can usually actually see the source of a snowball when they throw it, rather than it just appearing at the edge of your screen with no knowledge of who threw it. Also, since you can pretty much see the champion when they throw it, it'll also mean that you actually have a chance to step forward and throw some poke down in return for them trying to use snowball.

And the cooldown of 40 seconds is actually significant enough to see the people who want to use it to engage actually hold on to the spell to use it when they actually have a good chance to engage, as opposed to just tossing it out on cooldown.

At least that's been my experience with it so far.

You're right, though, that there's not enough of an ARAM playerbase on the PBE to truly tell. I often have to queue for 20-30 minutes to find a game on there. I just know that even after the damage change currently on Live, I still felt like a detriment to the team if I didn't take snowball every game. On the PBE, it hasn't felt that way.

I guess my bottom line is this: The PBE changes, in my opinion, make the spell about as healthy as it could possibly be in the game mode (it's certainly not healthy on Live right now). Let the changes go through and see what happens. If the spell is still too overwhelming even after these changes, I think we finally have a good case for requesting that the spell be removed entirely and ask Riot to go back to the drawing board if they want to help improve ARAM.

Dr Easter1 votes

Waiting to see what happens. But I still think the cool down should be at least half of what it is on Flash. If they allowed it only on melee champions with no dash or gap closers I'd be fine with a 20 second cool down tho (but reduced range)

Dark Kuno5 votes

Even after the nerfs, Mark has just left it exactly the way it was before.

Free mindless initiationfest every couple of seconds. Still hasn't restored the fun or actual strategy that used to be required to properly initiate on someone.

Even worse now that dashing reduces the cd meaning not only does it give champs free initiations but now they can stick pretty much permanently once they have initiated.

It's still draining the fun out of the mode.

FDru1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dark Kuno,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=Lb5JXv6m,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-05-25T23:06:27.631+0000) It's still draining the fun out of the mode.

Meanwhile my queue times are at an all time low.

I guess for every crybaby who hates ARAM now there's 10 people who think it's suddenly worth playing.

Dr Easter1 votes

Is this account sold? The guy behind it used to a cool dude

FDru1 votes

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Is this account sold? The guy behind it used to a cool dude

Cute. And I used to think that you probably weren't actually terrible and it was just the climate of EUW that gave you bad ideas.

Guess I should have known better than to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who can't even figure out how play without a 3rd party camera hack.

Dr Easter1 votes

No idea what happened to you but I hope you can get back to normal soon then. God bless you.

Dark Kuno1 votes

ARAM queue times have always been low. But why use facts as a basis for your argument when you can use insults, strawman logic and be a jerk?

/shrug

FDru2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dark Kuno,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=Lb5JXv6m,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2015-05-31T20:14:40.013+0000)

ARAM queue times have always been low. But why use facts as a basis for your argument when you can use insults, strawman logic and be a jerk?

/shrug

lol

I have no doubt at all that your queue times were always low. But you seem to not understand that ARAM has MMR just like every other mode, and not everybody is lucky enough to be in gutter trash elo (no offense).

Dark Kuno1 votes

Apparently you fail at basic language comprehension since you follow insulting language with the phrase "no offense" as if it actually means anything when you do so.

And if you look at actual ARAM queue data you'd see that again ARAM queue times have always been low (well under 1 minute). So again, Mark's inclusion has not impacted queue time.

But again if you insist on using insults and general stupidity as your basis of argument since it apparently makes you feel some sort of demented sense of self-importance, go right ahead. Whatever you need to feel good about yourself

/patpat

FDru1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dark Kuno,realm=NA,application-id=LFfTlAky,discussion-id=Lb5JXv6m,comment-id=00030000000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-02T01:32:03.461+0000) And if you look at actual ARAM queue data you'd see that again ARAM queue times have always been low (well under 1 minute). So again, Mark's inclusion has not impacted queue time.

Wrong. They have dropped steadily from just under 2 minutes to what they are now. Which you would know if you didn't just start playing a month ago. Average queue times aren't terribly meaningful anyway... unless your elo is high, because that's when you would actually notice consistently long queue times.

Dark Kuno1 votes

been playing since S1. My queue times have consistantly been under 1 minute. But again you want to just spend time making insulting comments instead of posting data from reliable sources so whatever makes you feel good at night kid /patpat

Sirsir3 votes

Playing Caitlyn-

Lost interest. No caitlyn in ARAM is gonna get any sympathy.

Dr Easter3 votes

Oh how relevant...

Sirsir1 votes

It IS relevant. Caitlyn complaining that she is having trouble in an ARAM. Boo hoo

FDru2 votes

Cool.

Just beat a Blitz/Swain/Jax team as Draven by rushing Mallet and not eating every fucking snowball they threw at me. Weird.

Dr Easter4 votes

Cool. Waiting to see you in the worlds. Congrats

FDru1 votes

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Cool. Waiting to see you in the worlds. Congrats

Good call. Dodging a skillshot is definitely pro level skills.

Dr Easter2 votes

And so is sarcasm :D

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