Concerned about NuTeam Builder and Normals

MudintheWater··1 votes·500 views

(Also I wasn't really sure where to put this but a top thread here is about champ select reowrks so this seemed like the best place)

I was reading about the new Ranked teambuilder elsewhere on the internet and someone said it was also going to replace normals teambuilder. However, I was reading the Lyte thread about it and I couldn't find anything to support that assertion beyond vaguely-worded mentions of "some queues in the future." Does anyone know if it is true?

I hope it isn't true. Team builder in its current iteration is one of my favorite experiences in league. If the proposed NuTB replaces the old one, we would lose amusing and fun games (yes. Fun. Unlike ranked.) such as:

  • All Mid
  • duo top no jungler comps
  • all support comps
  • other custom comps such as ADC jungle, Fighter-* support bot lane
  • the ability to play a role you like with a champion you like over and over and over, screw wait times. (how I play)

anything off meta (how I play when I'm not playing the same champion and role)

I see a lot of posts saying Riot enforces a meta, but if NuTB is as it was described, it actually will.

Let's say you want to do something like Morgana Jungle which is something I enjoy doing in team builder. In the old team builder, captains had the option to not accept or kick you but they knew where you were going with what champion before the game started. This means that if you had a bad game, you generally speaking wouldn't be reported, because the entire team had to consent to your presence in that off-meta role prior to starting the game.

In Nuteambuilder, like blind pick, an off-meta pick will likely make your team rage at you in champion select, continue to rage at you throughout the game regardless of actual performance, and you will be reported every bad game and even some good games. This is why I largely only play team builder in normals.

Tl;dr: if Nuteambuilder replaces normals team builder, I will be super bummed and probably reported for playing what I want to play. Please tell me it doesn't?

4 Comments

Minarde1 votes

Can't please everyone. I dislike the idea of TB in general because it shifts focus to specialists over generalists. The only real positive is that maybe TBDraft will teach people the difference between role and position.

Also, nothing I've heard about TBD prevents those full-support, custom, or off-meta comps you mention. It might actually require communicating with your team, but that shouldn't be a big deal. Plus, going full one trick pony has always been possible by just repeatedly dodging until you get what you want; TBClassic only made it slightly simpler.

MudintheWater1 votes

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Can't please everyone. I dislike the idea of TB in general because it shifts focus to specialists over generalists. The only real positive is that maybe TBDraft will teach people the difference between role and position.

Also, nothing I've heard about TBD prevents those full-support, custom, or off-meta comps you mention. It might actually require communicating with your team, but that shouldn't be a big deal. Plus, going full one trick pony has always been possible by just repeatedly dodging until you get what you want; TBClassic only made it slightly simpler.

The lack of captain mode would imply that you can't create weird games. I can't search top support mid support bot support in NuTB as described (Oh Goodness can you imagine the wait times though). Unless they still let you select what lanes you're going to be building, it sounds like the TB will assume 1 top 1 mid 1 jungle 2 bot comps for you.

I guess the real loss to me though is being able to do something experimental and wacky without worrying about being reported. Picking off meta in blind is asking for flamers and tilts, and if NuTB replace oldTB, the only place you will be able to play and have fun off-meta will be bots where nobody cares.

Minarde1 votes

Based on this comment, it reads like 1 Top, 1 Mid, 1 Bot, and 1 Jungle with a Support probably also going bot. It seems counterintuitive if they force Support bot-lane when everything else is tied to specific revenue streams.

Anyways, off-meta picks/builds will still be fine. The only difference is that instead of implicitly asking your teammates via your champ/position selection, you go back to explicitly asking "Hey, I wanna play X in Y. That alright with you guys?" Flamers, tilters, and false reports happen regardless, so it's not practical to worry too much about them. Just talk to your team. At least in my experience, I've never heard anyone say "No, you can't play that there." It's only been an issue when someone suddenly and silently springs an off-meta pick on the rest of the team.

MudintheWater1 votes

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Based on this comment, it reads like 1 Top, 1 Mid, 1 Bot, and 1 Jungle with a Support probably also going bot. It seems counterintuitive if they force Support bot-lane when everything else is tied to specific revenue streams.

Anyways, off-meta picks/builds will still be fine. The only difference is that instead of implicitly asking your teammates via your champ/position selection, you go back to explicitly asking "Hey, I wanna play X in Y. That alright with you guys?" Flamers, tilters, and false reports happen regardless, so it's not practical to worry too much about them. Just talk to your team. At least in my experience, I've never heard anyone say "No, you can't play that there." It's only been an issue when someone suddenly and silently springs an off-meta pick on the rest of the team.

That's exactly what I want to avoid. When you play with 5 random people someone is going to object to an off-meta pick. You are going to get more flamers etc than you otherwise would, guaranteed. Besides. If you have hour heart set on a champion and role, you're going to pick that champion and role, not ask if that's okay with your team.

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