Demons in Valoran; Tahm Kench, Shaco and Jericho Swain

Sharjo··39 votes·8,791 views

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So with the arrival of Tahm Kench many questions popped up about him, one in particular being "what the hell is he?". He looks like a catfish, talks with a particular accent, and wears two coats sewn in to one. Overall he's pretty enigmatic, but Riot's actually already told us what he is.

Tahm Kench is infact a demon, a river demon specifically.

When the original River King video was released it struck me that the word demon was used. Demon has had VERY limited use in the game, being used only in two places as far as I remember; Shaco's title and in one of Swain's jokes. I'd never really considered that demons could be a thing in Runeterra, and now with actual confirmation that Mr. Kench is a legit Demon, I can't help but be taken aback, particularly when thinking about Shaco and Swain.

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Shaco's been known as the Demon Jester for years now, so the possibility for him being a demon was probably never that big of a deal, but for me I never considered the implications. I always passed Shaco off as a mysterious man, some malevolent entity, something mysterious, but with this new information that demons do exist in Runeterra, then it suddenly puts Shaco in to a space; Shaco might just straight up be a demon, and "Demon Jester" is just a really literal title. In a way Shaco is quite similar to Mr. Kench; they're both mysterious, sinister entities, they both interact with people in dubious ways; they both have some feature of their personality contrasting to who they truly are. Shaco and Tahm are both murderers, and both do it with pleasure. Shaco does it seemingly just because he likes killing, while Tahm just loves to eat, to the point of being philosophical about it.

I know this is an old and tired thing but bare with me here! If we look at the seven deadly sins we- no wait come back! I swear it's not what you think!

Jokes aside Tahm and Shaco do represent sins in someway. Tahm of course representing sins like greed and gluttony, if being philosophical about hunger wasn't a big enough indicator, while Shaco represents sins not strictly tied with those we associate as the "seven deadly sins". Murder, cruelty and deception are things we as people would say are pretty sinful, and things Shaco indulges in. Tahm does this as well, I mean his whole thing is deceiving people with a charming voice and alluring propositions, only to eat them or their friends and family later. If we consider that Tahm is a river demon and Shaco is the "Demon Jester" then it's possible that demons in Runeterra are entities which are born from "evil" and are as such more like a negative force than creatures from hell.

To put it in to perspective; imagine Tahm as being the incarnation of all the evil things people have done in rivers. People being drowned or otherwise disposed of in rivers is the obvious one of course. Those negative feelings manifest in to Tahm, who is essentially the evil of the river and the things that go in it. As Tahm says "Water forgets the names of the drowned."; the river water cares not for whatever bodies are dumped in to it, so why should Tahm? Shaco's something a bit different, as he's much closer to humans than Tahm is. Shaco is more of a literal manifestation; he is the physical embodiment of decieving and murdering someone. Jesters and clowns are what are associated with being funny and comical (even though some folks find them creepy), and Shaco represents the ultimate joke involved in betrayal; the final backstab. The demon jester manifested as a jokster, a deciever and a liar because of the capacity of human beings to betray one another. Or so I'd like to think. This might all be bollocks.

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So then there's Swain, a dude who despite being a character who's been very involved in lore in the past, is still an enigma. He just kinda hobbled in to war one day and quickly rose through the ranks. Of all the champions in the game Swain is the one who's powers have never properly been explained, and his motives were never truly made clear. One thing's for certain; he can turn in to a demonic raven.

Swain has always been an enigma, but the idea of him being a demon never really crossed me. Again, like Shaco; a mysterious, malevolent man. He was once a part of the Black Rose but to what extent we don't know. He's been involved in wars and is intelligent and cunning, much like a raven. One thing I remember strongly now is a line from Boram Darkwill that Sion just barely remembers before slipping back in to a haze of death in his extended lore.

"SION. BEWARE RAVENS."

This is a memory that is likely centuries old, from a time when Boram and Sion were still alive. Boram knew of Swain back then, knew of the ravens, enough to warn his close friend Sion to watch out if they ever appeared. Of course Swain being around then isn't a big stretch considering LeBlanc and Boram have and had lived for centuries, but Boram tells Sion to beware of ravens. Not Swain, or anyone in particular. Ravens are just bad apparently. It's this that leads me to believe that Jericho Swain himself is some kind of raven demon.

When LeBlanc and Swain have their little chat about Sion, it's Swain who is in control. He sought out the Black Rose, they didn't offer him any deal like they did with Boram. Swain says that they "Have his favor" as if they were supposed to be in his good graces. I feel like LeBlanc knows of Swain's true identity and agenda, enough so that she's willing to try and get close to him so she can either undermine him later or get power from him when she's curried enough favor from him.

But how could he manifest? If he's a demon in the way I've described my thoughts on how such things come to be, then how did Swain come to be? Ravens are birds that are heralded as bad omens. They're associated with things like war and death, and I believe Swain is a manifestation of that. He originates from the conflict between Noxus and Demacia specifically, being born from the death and destruction surrounding their endless struggle against one another. Noxus is the land where the strong always triumph and for Swain, having the cunning and intelligence akin to a raven, was able to move his way through the ranks, growing in power and gaining great influence. Where will it take him? Well it's taken him to High Command and to the seat of the Grand General. What this demon plans next is anyone's guess, but I feel like he's making plans to become even greater, gain even more power.

And how will he do that? The same way he always has. In the same manner as he was born.

Through war and strife.


Well that went on for a while. This was something that's been on my mind for a couple of days and I wanted to get it down and see what people thought. I feel like I ended up making this be way more about Swain than I intended but eh, whatever, it's Swain, the guy's amazing!

So anyway I want to know, what do you guys think? What do you think about demons in Runeterra? Who do you think could actually be a demon? Where do they come from? What do they want?

83 Comments

Omnipherious15 votes

Shaco I've always been of the opinion that Shaco is a demon, regardless of whether Riot has explicitly said so. Since we have no real insights into what Shaco is or his motivations, him being a demonic/chaotic force of nature seems appropriate.

Is he a manifestation similar to Tahm? Perhaps. Maybe he's an ancient spirit that became corrupted over time. He might be the product of some magical experiment gone horribly wrong (or right, depending on the experiment purpose).

I think Shaco is in a very similar spot to Nocturne and Fiddlesticks right now. They are the 'dark, menacing' personas of Runeterra and haven't really been explored as part of the new narrative.

If any older champions are demons, I would put money on those 3.

Swain This one is tricky. He could be a demon, but I feel like that would make him less impressive/interesting as a character.

Let's use Dr. Doom in Fantastic Four as an example.

He is just a man. Sure, he has gifts thanks to the power cosmic but at the end of the day that's just gravy. He is ambitious, cunning, and wants the best for his fellow man all while believing the ends justifies the means.

For all we know, Swain is exactly like this. Perhaps a magical prodigy, perhaps a result of endless hard-work. In any case, Swain doesn't strike me as the typical world-domination type villain. There is a method to his madness. There is a reason he has worked to make the connections he has, to be in the position he's in.

It could be that he wants to bring Noxus into 'the future' and past this petty squabble with Demacia. He wouldn't be able to enact large-scale changes into Noxian culture unless he was in a position of great power while also having an overwhelming positive image (at least to the general public).

With that in mind, I don't think Swain is a demon. There would be no purpose in going to the lengths he has gone. But that's Swain, not Beatrice (the raven for those that don't know).

Beatrice might be a demon, influencing Swain without him even realizing. What type of demon? Well I don't know. If the basis for demons in Runeterra are that they 'make trades', perhaps Beatrice trades magic potency for life-force. It might explain some of Swain's more obscure talents.

I like the notion of demons in Runeterra. It would play into the whole 'cosmic balance' thing with Bard since we would have demons as an evil force of nature alongside beings like the Darkin, Brand and other spirits (Shadow Isles, Ionia, etc).

Mimaropa13 votes

Beatrice takes a bite from Swain's body after he dies. Seems pretty mysterious to me.

gaby1best2 votes

Beatrice is a woman's name though.

BattleBalladeer3 votes

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Beatrice is a woman's name though.

Implying women can't be malovent or that demons always have static genders? Or that she's taking every advantage from his death?

gaby1best2 votes

No, all I did was clarification. He used "he" instead of "she" and it made me think north-americans(notice the "EUNE" near my nickname) have little interaction with this name, so I thought I should enlighten you.

EDIT: And now I feel stupid cause I realized "he" was meant for Swain, as when Swain dies.

Angelofchaos16x5 votes

I think that Swain is not a demon, but a human that sold his sole to a demon ( Beatrice ) to obtain his powers. It would explain a lot about his cunning, intelligence, magical attributes, he seeming ability to not feel pain, why he excels in everything he sets his heart on etc. It would explain also, how Swain could magically disappear in his fight with Keiran Darkwill (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/The_Journal_of_Justice:_Volume_1,_Issue_31#Swain_Seizes_Power_in_Noxus) even tho in game he has no disappearing technique, I think that a normal human alone could not do any of these things. The Black Rose and its members seem to all have some form of immortality, so maybe Swain got his by selling his soul

1011001110001 votes

Swain's and the Black Rose's longevity can most likely be attributed to the apparent knowledge of Necromancy that they have, as I believe was noted in Sion's re-work reveal lore.

As for Beatrice, I don't think much is known about her, so her being a demon is certainly a possibility. Maybe, if the Demons of Runeterra do end up being associated with the Seven Sins, then Beatrice might come out as one, such as Greed.

Mimaropa9 votes

If angels exist Morgana Kayle .. Probably demons too

TheSuperBase6 votes

We all also have to know the Head of the Demons, its Teemo and his Shrooms

Matezoide5 votes

I would like to think Tahm is a fairy instead, he just seems way too ''in touch'' with the world than demons in most works of fiction.

Fairies (The asshole ones, at least) are basically demons anyway.

GreenLore4 votes

Actually now that you mention the 7 deadly sins(yeah I know this is kinda overused,but bear with me xD),I think Shaco and Swain could fit into them a bit. As in Shaco could represent Lust,I mean lust is most often associated with lust for sex,but it actually also represents the desire for pleasure,for power,for immaterial things. So Killing and hurting for fun are definetly a very dark aspect of lust,just like eating just to make others suffer.

Swain is a bit more tricky,because like someone else here pointed out,swain might not even be the demon himself,beatrice his raven could be the actual demon and since swains motivations remain mysterious it is hard to tell where he would fall into.He could be greed,because he actually made a whole nation his own and now seems to try to expand his territory,he could be sloth,because he rarely does anything himself(even his battle with kieran is implied to be leblanc in disguise),or if beatrice is the actual demon,she could be envy,representing how she is weaker on her own,thus bonding with swain to make up for that,so that she doesn't feel like the others are something better than her.

DwarvenGiant3 votes

Jax Now it makes me wonder even more, about what is Jax... Could he be a demon? And if so, why, and how... He has always been so mysterious, and the closest thing that might look like him that we've ever seen are Trundle and the trolls, and the good old Manbacconian Shopkeeper, 'Bob', maybe. Though, he doesn't seem as sinister as the other demons/supposedly demons. Perhaps that's just what we think. Maybe he has some kind of a hidden demonic nature? Maybe his thirst for brawling, dueling and fighting was born out of something greater... After all, there must be a reason why, in his splash art on the website, there's a mysterious, Darkin-like figure seen standing behind him, right?

Dextix LT1 votes

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Jax Now it makes me wonder even more, about what is Jax... Could he be a demon? And if so, why, and how... He has always been so mysterious, and the closest thing that might look like him that we've ever seen are Trundle and the trolls, and the good old Manbacconian Shopkeeper, 'Bob', maybe. Though, he doesn't seem as sinister as the other demons/supposedly demons. Perhaps that's just what we think. Maybe he has some kind of a hidden demonic nature? Maybe his thirst for brawling, dueling and fighting was born out of something greater... After all, there must be a reason why, in his splash art on the website, there's a mysterious, Darkin-like figure seen standing behind him, right?

THe theory behind jax is that he is a darkin just like Aatrox is. It would explain why he heides his body, his bodys colour even. Also he is not bad. Jax is just a simple fighter and has not shown any malevolent intentions as of yet.

DwarvenGiant1 votes

But I feel like Darkin people look very similar to each other, and there are big anatomy differences between Aatrox and Jax.

Dextix LT1 votes

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But I feel like Darkin people look very similar to each other, and there are big anatomy differences between Aatrox and Jax.

Look at humans, and how different all of them may look. There can be short darkin too.

DwarvenGiant1 votes

Yeah, but Aatrox has 5 fingers on each hand (let alone one of his hands is much bigger and spikier than the other), feet covered with something that looks like shell or other kind of natural armor, in comparison to Jax, who has 3 fingers on each hand, 2 toes on each foot. I'm not saying that it's impossible that Jax' a darkin, but I don't know, I guess that we'll know only if they reveal his head or true identity to us.

Jax might have horns behind his mask though...

GreenLore1 votes

Its not like there can be only one theory about Jaxs origins.

Just because there is a theory about Jax being a darkin,doesn't mean that he can't be something else.

Also not all demons have to be evil.

Icestar11861 votes

There's also a theory that he is a troll. Just one who is a bit nicer than Trundle.

gaby1best1 votes

I don't think he's a demon, but he does have 3 fingers on a hand(same as Tahm), Aatrox appears in his splash art on the web site, so he surely has some connections with the demons.

But Tahm appeals to Aatrox as "brother", and in his taunt for Jax, he calls him a "boy".

terkmc3 votes

TL:DR Tahm=Nurgle; Swain=Tzench; Shaco=Slaneesh

UomoAfide2 votes

Sigh... Here we go again, Bob! Call the Inquisition!

DeusVult1 votes

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GreenLore3 votes

I always wondered why they didn't call the darkin simply demons.

I mean Aatrox looks like a demon,so it felt a bit like they didn't want to use the word demon just to be original or to avoid confusions with shacos title.

But now I think they might have considered making demons a seperate thing even back then.

Leetri5 votes

I think it has to do with that the Darkin can just as well be seen as angels as demons. Aatrox would help the losing side in a war just so he could get an even fight. To the losing side he's an angel that appears at their side and guides them towards victory, Justicar Aatrox is the embodiment of what they saw. To the winning side he is a demon that gives the enemy unnatural strength while slaying people with his dark powers, as you can see in default Aatrox.

We don't know anything about the other Darkin, so it's too early to form any concrete thoughts. All we can work with is hypothesises. It could just be that Darkin is a subtype of demons, who knows?

Quort2 votes

Aatrox doesn't care for a fair fight, he just wants people to slaughter each other. Furthermore, while people might originally see him as a savior, they will later understand his true intentions.

missinggrave2 votes

Is there any better way to bring as much blood as possible than to make it a fair fight? A one sided battle only destroys one side. A fair fight? Everyone loses, they just don't figure it out right away.

Quort1 votes

But he doesn't create a fair fight. His presence alone completely tips the scales. He throws the battle into chaos, and only after everyone lies dead or dying do they realize what he has actually done to them.

missinggrave1 votes

That's a good point, but you just pointed something else out. The people he influences don't know exactly what they're doing, they're just killing for blood and not whatever purpose they initially started with. Whose to say there isn't any allied casualties because of this? If a person is so moved to kill until the battle is done, whose to say that there wasn't any incidents before they came back to their senses? Aatrox may not want a fair fight, but at the same time, he doesn't want the battle to be one sided.

supes the lost1 votes

He doesn't create a fair fight, Aatrox is an embodiment of war and has a weapon that steals and stores blood. He isn't in this for a fair fight, he wants to create the most chaotic and destructive battle he can manage so that he can feed off the energy or whatever the hell he does after everyones dead.

Quort1 votes

That's exactly what I've been saying. O_o

supes the lost1 votes

I think I may have replied to the wrong comment, oops.

Shield Villain1 votes

Seems more to me like they're Gods of sorts. From what has been revealed about the lore on Aatrox, he's been around longer than anyone can really recount. His influence has shaped the world, really. Whatever the Darkin are, they can die, but they possess longevity enough to be capable of living throughout the ages in a fit fighting form.

Leetri1 votes

To be fair, you don't have to be a god to live long in Runeterra. Some sustain by magic and Viktor has even invented immortality. Xin Zhao is a normal human and should be at LEAST ~70 years old, considering he fought with Jarvan II and Jarvan I died to Sion centuries ago. I guess the Ionian tea is really good for your arthritis.

GreenLore1 votes

Depends on how old J2 is and when he rescued Xin. Assuming the whole "J2" rescued him thing was ~20 years ago,J2 could have been 50 at that time and Xin could have been 20,in which case it wouldn't be off for J2 to be still alive and Xin to be only 40;)

Sharjo1 votes

Plus there's no actual info on how much time passed between Jarvan I dying and Jarvan II being born. Presumably Jarvan I died either without an heir or with an heir that was named something other than Jarvan.

Leetri1 votes

Xin also trained J4, so he's at LEAST 10 years older than J4. Weapon training usually started at around age 10 or so in medieval times, and Xin had to be at least 20 when he fought in the Noxian gladiator pits. J4 is in his late 20's or early 30's by now, which puts Xin at 40+, but that is the lowest possible age he can be. He's most likely over 50, but he looks the same age as J4.

DeusVult2 votes

There are 4 demons in League:

Mordekaiser Khorne

Shaco Slaanesh

Swain Tzeentch

And Tahm Kench is Nurgle

And Helmet Bro is the hero come to save us all, for he cannot die

Orbv1 votes

Those aren't real names of demons. I'd post the actual, but those words can't be searched at work =/

But wow. Shaco and Swain are spot on.

gaby1best1 votes

Aatrox Brand Fiddlesticks Jax Teemo Mordekaiser Nautilus Nocturne Shaco

All demons?

GreenLore3 votes

Teemo isn't a mere demon,he is the god of evil.

On a serious note. Aatrox is a darkin,Brand is an elemental,Fiddle comes from a different plane of existence,Jax is an enigma,Mordekaiser is undead,Nautilus is a transformed human,Nocturne needs a complete lore rework,so he might turn out to be a demon,Shaco is actually covered in the opening post.

gaby1best1 votes

And what makes an elemental?

Anyway, both Fiddle and Nocturne need lore reworks. There are so many possibilities for them, especially Fiddlesticks, which right now is a monster in a sealed room, where people that need to be executed are brought. Nothing more. The Institute of War knows nothing about him and it all makes for one of the lamest lores around.

Orbv1 votes

What about Karthus ?

GreenLore2 votes

He is a Lich,an undead mage.

EDIT: Lol why did someone downvote this?I merely stated a fact.

Nameless Hero1 votes

There are demons in the same way that they are demons that represent the 7 deadly sins.

Kalista/Hecarim represents Wrath Evelynn represents Lust Yorick represents Sloth Karthus represents Pride Thresh represents Envy Elise represents Greed

and now we have Tamh Ketch which represents Glutony

of course, there's a lot of champions that overlap but nobody said that you couldn't have 2 champs for 1 concept

Kamiroo Wolf1 votes

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There are demons in the same way that they are demons that represent the 7 deadly sins.

Kalista/Hecarim represents Wrath Evelynn represents Lust Yorick represents Sloth Karthus represents Pride Thresh represents Envy Elise represents Greed

and now we have Tamh Ketch which represents Glutony

of course, there's a lot of champions that overlap but nobody said that you couldn't have 2 champs for 1 concept

Yorick works very hard >;0

Digging graves all day, trying to keep up with other champions, etc.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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There are demons in the same way that they are demons that represent the 7 deadly sins.

Kalista/Hecarim represents Wrath Evelynn represents Lust Yorick represents Sloth Karthus represents Pride Thresh represents Envy Elise represents Greed

and now we have Tamh Ketch which represents Glutony

of course, there's a lot of champions that overlap but nobody said that you couldn't have 2 champs for 1 concept

The demon we know as Tahm is all of those sins, he is able to embody all of them. Gluttony being the link between all the rest of the sins.

GreenLore1 votes

I dunno Tahm doesn't seem to be wrathful at all and he also doesn't seem lazy(after all he fulfills his part of the deal),so sloth wouldn't fit that much too

GreenLore1 votes

I wouldn't really count the undead as demons.

I mean they were all living humans at one point and were merely resurrected through magic(ok Elise might not be really undead,just eternally living) tahm however is a literal demon.

Kamiroo Wolf1 votes

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So then there's Swain, a dude who despite being a character who's been very involved in lore in the past, is still an enigma. He just kinda hobbled in to war one day and quickly rose through the ranks. Of all the champions in the game Swain is the one who's powers have never properly been explained, and his motives were never truly made clear. One thing's for certain; he can turn in to a demonic raven.

Swain has always been an enigma, but the idea of him being a demon never really crossed me. Again, like Shaco; a mysterious, malevolent man. He was once a part of the Black Rose but to what extent we don't know. He's been involved in wars and is intelligent and cunning, much like a raven. One thing I remember strongly now is a line from Boram Darkwill that Sion just barely remembers before slipping back in to a haze of death in his extended lore.

"SION. BEWARE RAVENS."

This is a memory that is likely centuries old, from a time when Boram and Sion were still alive. Boram knew of Swain back then, knew of the ravens, enough to warn his close friend Sion to watch out if they ever appeared. Of course Swain being around then isn't a big stretch considering LeBlanc and Boram have and had lived for centuries, but Boram tells Sion to beware of ravens. Not Swain, or anyone in particular. Ravens are just bad apparently. It's this that leads me to believe that Jericho Swain himself is some kind of raven demon.

When LeBlanc and Swain have their little chat about Sion, it's Swain who is in control. He sought out the Black Rose, they didn't offer him any deal like they did with Boram. Swain says that they "Have his favor" as if they were supposed to be in his good graces. I feel like LeBlanc knows of Swain's true identity and agenda, enough so that she's willing to try and get close to him so she can either undermine him later or get power from him when she's curried enough favor from him.

But how could he manifest? If he's a demon in the way I've described my thoughts on how such things come to be, then how did Swain come to be? Ravens are birds that are heralded as bad omens. They're associated with things like war and death, and I believe Swain is a manifestation of that. He originates from the conflict between Noxus and Demacia specifically, being born from the death and destruction surrounding their endless struggle against one another. Noxus is the land where the strong always triumph and for Swain, having the cunning and intelligence akin to a raven, was able to move his way through the ranks, growing in power and gaining great influence. Where will it take him? Well it's taken him to High Command and to the seat of the Grand General. What this demon plans next is anyone's guess, but I feel like he's making plans to become even greater, gain even more power.

And how will he do that? The same way he always has. In the same manner as he was born.

Through war and strife.


Well that went on for a while. This was something that's been on my mind for a couple of days and I wanted to get it down and see what people thought. I feel like I ended up making this be way more about Swain than I intended but eh, whatever, it's Swain, the guy's amazing!

So anyway I want to know, what do you guys think? What do you think about demons in Runeterra? Who do you think could actually be a demon? Where do they come from? What do they want?

Silly goose ^_^

Swain isn't a demon! He's just a host body currently occupied by Beatrice, the true demon, also known as his bird ;3

Parasite, if you will.

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