Of course lore, VO, and VU would be the best package, but he REALLY looks bad in game. Just a model change would do wonders. If I showed Zilean to a new player, they'd probably think League models suck.
Big Lincoln3 voteshis kit sucks too though
why does a time wizard throw bombs
Arakadia1 votesTheir his inventions. If anything, it seems odd someone like Ivern is endangering his friend Daisy.
Big Lincoln2 votesidk i think they could push the timelord shit better
have you ever played awesomenauts? Yuri's time warp is what I'm thinking he should have; it'd be cool as hell to have that in league
Arakadia1 votesOh I don't know Yuri or her/his time warp.
But yes, I agree, they definitely could make him more thematic.
Big Lincoln1 votestime warp was basically a big circle that slowed enemies/sped up your allies. that includes projectiles; so any bullets, missiles, etc traveled faster/slower
and you could upgrade it to heal your allies, too, iirc
shit like that, have him be super utility/zoning power with just a little bit of damage. would make him perfect
GreenLore2 votesThe ult is likely more daisy coming to Iverns help on her own free will. Its just that ingame we have control over her because otherwise the ult would suck.
GreenLore3 votesHe definetly needs a gameplay update as well. His time bombs are his only damage spell,so their damage is op in the early game,but fall off late game.
Arakadia1 votesDoes he? You could say the same for Karma (her W does pittiful, sometimes not even noticable damage), Morg, etc.
The thing is, Zilean usually has "two damage spells" sorta because he throws two bombs. So the damage is split between too bombs.
If they update him, they could just put his W into a passive of some sort, and give him some other way to deal damage that is thematic.
GreenLore1 votesMorgana has 3 damage spells. And while some do more damage than others,it still helps her to level through the game a lot smoother.
And Karmas damage scales more smoothly not just because her W deals at least some damage,but also because her Q scales with her R. Though karma could also benefit from a gameplay rework,she currently feels kinda dull,but that might be just my opinion.
And while Zilean usually throws 2 bombs,its still the same spell,meaning that this one spell has to be so strong that it makes up Zileans whole damage throughout the game. After all you can use the double-bomb attack quite early as well,meaning that it has to be taken into account over the course of the whole game.
Also I'd say that Zilean feels overall rather clunky. You play this powerful time mage and then spent the rest of the game throwing bombs around like you are Ziggs.
Arakadia1 votesHis Q doesn't hold crazy power though. His W holds the mass majority of his kits power. His E is INCREDIBLY powerful for slowing enemies or speeding allies up, and his Q requires two instances of the spell for the stun.
Imho, his Q doesn't hold too much power because not only is his ult and E like absurdly powerful, but also he usually uses two bombs for his combo. I've been convinced by you and Bin Lincoln, that Zilean needs a gameplay update, but I think it should aim to be more thematic. His Time Bombs' pattern is MUCH healthier than someone like Morgana's which is just walk up Q>if you hit press W and walk away/if you didnt hit just walk away. Or a few others who Riot doesn't think need large gameplay updates.
Additionally, Zilean having to use Q and W forces him to commit if he wants to fight.
GreenLore1 votesIts about the damage output,not his power in general.
But I agree that the thematic feeling is actually the more important matter. Recently I've been thinking into which direction they'll take Zilean. I mean a lot of people just see him as a time mage,but now I've realized that he is not only a time mage,but basically a wizard scientist as well,since he does use his clockwork-devices to manipulate time,so I wonder if they'd actually make this a larger aspect of his character if he gets a VGU or if they tone that aspect of him down.