VU(Visual Updates) needed more than VGU(Visual and Gameplay Update) on some champs

Killaburn·6/26/2017, 12:44:03 PM·80 votes·32,672 views

Cleary... Some champs needed only VU's because their kit is more healthy or not bad in the game.. I don' t support riot's decision on creating only VGU's now and not VU's while they do GU's on other champs too. Example is MissFortune , Kassadin , Veigar and Caitlyn ... they don't need a VGU because they're in a good shape and that will alienate some mains but clearly their models are outdated and their kit is perfectly nice.

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RiotReav36/26/2017, 12:57:55 PM73 votes

I think you are highlighting why we stopped doing VUs. They really weren't noticed much or appreciated.

2 of the champions on your list already got VUs not that long ago.......

NA Darklarik6/26/2017, 7:19:45 PM7 votes

Base: Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Udyr Seems that just because he has a Legendary that puts him up to par with regular quality that people forget that his Base is in worse shape than pizza feet Mordekaiser

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This makes a lot of sense and summarizes why our focus has shifted to VGUs

Can you please give an update on Udyr? I havent ever had him so much as be MENTIONED in lists for a VGU and his base is in a horrible shape, arguably among the worst. Not to mention he is a very lore interesting champion, What with Ionia and Feljord and Vastain blood.

GiornoˇGiovanna6/26/2017, 4:00:39 PM7 votes

Amumu Anivia Brand Chogath Corki Ezreal Gragas LeeSin Nunu Olaf Pantheon Skarner Swain Shaco Teemo Zilean

BotLaneStopDying6/26/2017, 6:27:41 PM5 votes

Udyr btw 😂🔫

SNEAKO6/26/2017, 12:56:16 PM5 votes

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GhostOfShrimpmas6/27/2017, 12:07:20 AM4 votes

Can you guys at least do something about Kassadin's voiceover? Two of his eleven lines reference a gameplay mechanic he hasn't had for years.

Luminier6/26/2017, 7:07:58 PM4 votes

Thing is, it's one or the other. You either gets VUs or VGUs, it seems. Some champions who desperately need VUs don't really need VGUs. Example: Jax. I feel like making all the ugly champions forced to undergo VGUs is just changing kits for the sake of changing kits. There's a lot of champions out there that should take priority with gameplay updates, rather than just updating an old looking champion's kit because Riot ONLY does VGUs now, no VUs.

All in all, I really feel like there should be a separate team for VUs, and other teams for VGUs. Not every candidate for a VU needs a VGU. Changing things for the sake of changing things isn't cool, and the fact that some ugly ass champions won't get their models updated because their gameplay is somewhat OK really bothers me.

korg0236/26/2017, 10:33:54 PM4 votes

Udyr Ultimate skin should be his VU but they sold it as ultimate skin,please...

MoonToonEx6/26/2017, 6:42:22 PM3 votes

Fiora Fizz I absolutely ... disagree.

I feel like people get use to stuff if they encounter it often enough for a long enough time. So as a result you may think XYZ champs game play design is solid and enjoyable but really when you look at the big picture their kit is problematic AF or lacks interesting play for either side in the current land scape. (Like Malz. One of the most boring lanes to deal with when he's not broken, makes you wanna prema ban and smack the balance team when he's remotely strong. Fiora and Cait, imo, are good examples of champs that if introduced in the game as they are TODAY people would be completely up in arms about because of how their kits work. )

As time goes by and more new characters and kits are introduced and MORE things change such as items and what not you start to notice how what was acceptable years ago just doesn't age well at all. The are many MANY champs who can breath new life into this game by being updated to stand up to today's bar in both Game play and visuals well not adding in a new champ in the process.

Give me a VGU any day, I'm down for it. WW shows how well they can update a champ without making them completely different and Galio shows how they can completely rework a champ but make them far more interesting for it. (Poppy is in a strange spot IMO. They decided to make her a tank that they wanted to be more of a disengage/ peeler but most players wanted to use as an engaging and she had parts of her kite that can be used for both AND she had decent dmg. So after the nerfs she seems to have hit a long standing low and they're so afraid of broken Poppy they can't seem to figure out how to buff her in a noticeable way. I think she needs a Rek like rework into something her fans would like more. And Sion is a solid rework, I just feel like his kit has too MUCH counter play. Haven't personally played Yorick yet so I can't speak to how he is compared to old one I hated laning against. Ryze is Ryze)

Champs who I think could use a WW like VGU:( updates the themes, visuals and kit but keeps the core gameplay ideas)

Annie JarvanIV Garen Nocturne Riven Volibear Trundle Udyr Olaf Shaco Irelia Akali Anivia Corki Caitlyn Kennen Jax Nidalee Nunu

Champs who I think need a Galio level VGU: (Completely rework them to better show their theme and power fantasy with in a role)

Pantheon Tryndamere Swain Sejuani Mordekaiser Karthus Karma Amumu Chogath Zyra Kayle Morgana Rammus Malphite

Champs I think need a Rek-rework: (gameplay to push them more into a different playstyle but whose over all themes/ visuals are solid ) Diana Lissandra Azir MonkeyKing Fiora Fizz

Not including the champs we know are getting reworks soon.