@Jaredan ETAs are a terrible idea, but what about progress reports?

Kadavik··15 votes·4,104 views

Jaredan, I understand how posting ETAs in the boards would only create community backlash in case something went wrong and more time was needed to fix an unexpected problem with the project. It’s a terrible idea, I agree. However, what’s the harm in us getting short progress reports? I’m not asking for us to know what you guys are up to 100% of the time, just a simple status update every now and then.

I think small things like this could really change our little corner of the boards. First of all it would create consistency in our posts. The themes that we discussed in our threads would be the ones we knew Art and Narrative were working on right now! Here’s an example. Say someone from the narrative team posted “Writing Jax’s new bio, keep an eye out on his champion page!” the prevalent theme in Story and Art for the next few days would certainly be posts discussing Jax’s character, visuals and what we want from him in the future. This way you reds could see what we want from Jax when it comes to his identity much more clearly and cohesively than any post about Jax once a month ever could!

These progress reports could also calm our anxiety when waiting for new lore releases. They’d let us know just what’s going on. For example: Jaredan, you could post something like “editing champion short stories” that way we would know what you guys are up to. It would be such a great and unifying experience between us the community and you guys at narrative. Not to mention it would be extremely satisfactory to read that the wait is over a week later or so with something as simple as "champion short stories finished, hope you enjoy them!" This doesn’t only need apply when it comes to narrative. Art would definitely benefit a lot from posting these too. It would be pretty fun to see Ironstylus post “just finished modeling Taric 's new shield, I must admit it’s looking FABULOUS”. Like I said before this could only improve the Story and Art boards and create a better experience for everyone while maintaining an easy not-much-effort required connection between you guys at Riot HQ and us here at Boards.

Finally, if any of you guys have a better way to implement this idea or achieve this goal please tell me so. See you in the Rift.

23 Comments

RiotRiotJaredan20 votes

Other than new Champions (concepts, thematic cohesion, character intros (the new bio format), and introductory promos), champs in the ChampUp pipeline (concepts, character intros and story promo), we're working on new character introductions for Shadow Isles Champions, and some stuff I really can't go into, sorry.

Once the pipeline on a couple of recently spun up teams that we're a part of are in full working order, we'll be able to pop by more often.

We've put back some of the additional work that we want to do to finish the Shurima character intros a bit to focus on some stuff that we think will give a bit more enjoyment in the short to medium term. The Shurima stuff will be coming, but we've shifted priorities to take advantage of an opportunity.

Vague, I know, sorry, but we'll speak to it further when we're able.

TotalJerk13 votes

Not nearly as vague as you think.

Sharjo3 votes

Thanks for the response Jaredan, that's honestly very reassuring!

Merxamers5 votes

It sounds like 'Everyone's working on Everything all at the same time', which is maybe why it takes so long for anything to appear. Wouldn't it be more efficient to have specialized teams focused around some specific topic?

Impetual1 votes

You may be hitting the nail on the head.

Riot, in their desire to promote creativity may be sacrificing efficiency on their lore production, although creativity is subjective so maybe they are just sacrificing efficiency for little to no gains.

Chromatic Eagle4 votes

A simple post like that is exactly what we were looking for. Thank you.

aEwW107yUW3 votes

What's the latest on Poppy? Can we still expect to see her relaunch this year?

Kadavik2 votes

It's alright. A little heads up like this every once in a while is all we want. I kind of get nervous every time any of you guys stops commenting for a long time. Makes me think we're going back to the dark times (shhhhhh we don't talk about that anymore) right after the Shurima event along with the retcon where everything was madness and not a single Red was seen in Story and Art. Well, at least not in the posts about Narrative.

Impetual1 votes

More vague and empty promises from Riot about lore. What a surprise!

@Riot, how many years have you been leaving with vague and unspecific answers about lore? Sadly, it's been happening even before the retcon!

Remember the old lore boards that Rioter's pretty much never posted on? That kind of thing is still happening.

@Riot, When are you actually going to show your fans that you actually care about Runeterra's Lore?!

Giving us the a story that feels like a movie screenplay twice a year doesn't cut it!

When will Runeterra be an evolving world again? (@Riot, check out what Guild Wars 2 is doing with their evolving Story....you may want to take notes.)

@Riot, I wish you would embrace your lore rather than retcon it!

I'm still hoping for Riot to deliver, but this lore retcon has already taken way too long.

Granted Riot has produced some pretty great stories recently (Bilgewater), but they've yet to make the retconned Runeterra actually feel like a world.

A few good story events doesn't bridge the gap between what Runeterra used to be with the Institute of War.

The Retcon has been in progress for about a year. Based on Jaredan's post, there doesn't seem like there's an end date in sight.

@Riot, when will the retcon end?

Joshuayoshi1 votes

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Other than new Champions (concepts, thematic cohesion, character intros (the new bio format), and introductory promos), champs in the ChampUp pipeline (concepts, character intros and story promo), we're working on new character introductions for Shadow Isles Champions, and some stuff I really can't go into, sorry.

Once the pipeline on a couple of recently spun up teams that we're a part of are in full working order, we'll be able to pop by more often.

We've put back some of the additional work that we want to do to finish the Shurima character intros a bit to focus on some stuff that we think will give a bit more enjoyment in the short to medium term. The Shurima stuff will be coming, but we've shifted priorities to take advantage of an opportunity.

Vague, I know, sorry, but we'll speak to it further when we're able.

Soo Could it be said that the "They Are coming" Symbols have something to do with the Shadow Isles? With the swirl Slightly taking the same shape of the shadow isles swirl it could be said they are somewhat related. And as you say you are working on some stuff you can't go into???

Impetual1 votes

In my opinion Jaredan won't give progress reports.

He's currently trying to cover up the mis-management of LoL's new lore system.

He doesn't have time for that stuff, assuming he's doing his job...whatever that is at the moment.

Kadavik2 votes

He doesn't have time for that stuff, assuming he's doing his job...whatever that is at the moment.

But he DOES have time. Keep in mind i'm not asking for lengthy paragraphs. Perhaps progress report isn't the right way to describe it. How about status update?

They would just need to be just a couple of sentences. It would take no more effort than commenting on a post, which Jaredan and the guys from Narrative HAVE done already. Only that unlike comments we wouldn't need to lurk around threads so much to find them.

Also, shouldn't keeping the community informed and listening to their feedback be part of his job as well?

Impetual1 votes

You assume he has the time.

Considering the all of the chaos involving the Lore Retcon, I'm willing to bet Jaerdan is a busy man.

In terms of keeping the community informed on things...it's pretty clear Riot's gone corporate and sold out.

They've started to manage their posts and releases in order to appeal to the masses.

Quality isn't their primary focus anymore, they're just trying to go in the direction that makes them the most money.

I miss the old Riot.

Sharjo2 votes

You spoke a day too soon!

Impetual1 votes

Maybe the reason why Jaredan's post came a day after mine is because he was responding to it, and other threads like mine.

Cuix1 votes

ETAs have never been a bad idea in reality. Riot keeps saying they are because what actually happens is we get an ETA, total silence after, and then the date passes by without any update on what's going on for several months after. Plus, Rioters had a weird habit of turning guesses/estimates into promises or statements of fact.

Kadavik1 votes

Thats the whole point. These status updates would fill in the gap between announcement and release where total silence exists right now. Break the silence!

Cuix1 votes

Your thread title is literally "ETAs are a terrible idea" lmao.

Kadavik1 votes

There is a difference between ETA and announcement . One gives you a specific time frame in which you are obligated to finish the project, the other doesn't.

Orisi1 votes

Here's the problem with progress reports, and you can pretty much see it in Jareden's response; the lore work that is coming is being tied in with the new content being put out, and that means that it comes under the same sort of secrecy new champions or skins come under pretty much by necessity. We can be told it's Shadow Isles because we know Halloween is the next big event, but it's also going to fuel rumours the next new champ is from the Shadow Isles, and rightly so.

But what else can he really go into without giving us a fair idea as to what Sort of projects are being worked on overall.

It's a nice idea but there's nothing really Jaredan can do other than be vague and non-committal.

Kadavik1 votes

But the whole point of progress reports is to help us keep up once something is announced, not before. Lets say a new bio is announced for Jax. We already know its coming so it really wouldn't hurt for us to be informed of how things are going. When it comes to bigger things, well then I have no problem with foundations being all sneaky Twitch .

But when it comes to the little things, I think it would only benefit the relationship between us and foundations. It would create transparency and rebuild the globe of trust between us and Riot that existed before the retcon.

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