Piltover could use more male champions, and Zaun more female champions

333lom··15 votes·8,530 views

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What do you think? For now, Piltover is more female-dominated, while zaun male-dominated, at least by the number of champions. Piltover has many females, including the ones who were, or probably were from Zaun. That includes Janna, Jinx and Vi. But now they reside in Piltover, and that's why they are more important to that city than to Zaun, as characters. Zaun currently has no female champion that fights for its interests.

Piltover females Caitlyn Jinx Orianna Vi Janna males Ezreal Jayce I'm not counting Yordles? They are a group of their own, and there are more male Yordles than female, maybe Riot could give us a balance there too.

Zaun females ??? males Blitzcrank Ekko Singed DrMundo Twitch Viktor Warwick Zac

Did I forget someone? I'd really like to see another male champion from Piltover, maybe a shy inventor, someone who's always struggling to not loose his glassess or something. But I'm just rambling now.

EDIT: People, please stop telling me that Jinx and Vi are from Zaun, I know that, I've already wrote that. I put them in Piltover because they are currently in Piltover, their actions affect Piltover and their stories unfold in Piltover. Nothing they do affects Zaun.

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Sharjo19 votes

Cuz I like statistic and stuff I'll actually add to this in terms of numbers:

Piltover's champion pool is comprised of 8 champions (including Yordles, but their relationship with the Pilties post IoW removal is questionable)- Caitlyn Corki Ezreal Heimerdinger Jayce Orianna Vi Ziggs

For a grand total of two male humans, two female humans, three male yordles and one un-sexed entity who is identified as female. The ratio here is 5:3 in favour of males.


Zaun's champion pool is comprised of 9 champions-

Blitzcrank DrMundo Ekko Jinx Singed Twitch Viktor Warwick Zac

For a grand total of five male humans, one female human, one male rat and two un-sexed entities who both identify as male. The ratio here is 8:1 in favour of males.


Demacia's champion pool is comprised of 14 (12 not counting some anomalous dudes) champions-

Fiora Galio Garen JarvanIV Kayle Lucian Lux Poppy Quinn Shyvana Sona Taric Vayne XinZhao

For a grand total of four human males, six human females (including Shyvana), one otherworldly male, one otherworldly female, one yordle female and one un-sexed entity who identifies as male. The ratio here is 8:6 in favour of females, making Demacia the only nation in all of known Runeterra to more lasses than lads. Even discounting Kayle and Taric since their status in the new canon is dubious at best, the ratio's still 7:5 and still in favour of the lasses.


Noxus's champion pool is comprised of 12 champions (10 not counting Riven and Morgana)

Cassiopeia Darius Draven Katarina Leblanc Morgana Riven Sion Swain Talon Urgot Vladimir

For a grand total of five human males, four human females, two undead males and one otherworldly female. The ratio is 7:5 in male favour, but discounting Morgana and Riven (since Morgana's status right now is like Kayle's and Taric's and Riven's gone AWOL) that drops to 7:3/


Ionia's champion pool is comprised of 15 champions (14 if we discount Jax)-

Ahri Akali Irelia Jax Karma Kennen LeeSin MasterYiShen Soraka Syndra Varus MonkeyKing Yasuo Zed

Here there are six human males, four human females, one male yordle, two humanoid males and two humanoid females, for a 9:6 ratio. Discounting Jax it's 8:6


Freljord's got 12 champions and I know the ratio by heart: 8:4 in male favour

Anivia Ashe Braum Gragas Lissandra Nunu Olaf Sejuani Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Volibear

The specifics are six human males, two human females, one troll male, one ursine male, one iceborn female and one unsexed entity that identifies as female (she's ice. I count that as unsexed). An interesting note I like about Freljord is despite the disparity in numbers in the lore Freljord's female cast are almost all the "main characters" of the region and are also the most powerful characters in the area, either through their political standing or their magical abilities.

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Bilgewater's repped by only five champions (eight if you count Nami, Nautilus and Tahm Kench)

Fizz Gangplank Graves MissFortune TwistedFate

This makes for three human males, one human female and one "whatever the fuck Fizz is" male, for a 4:1 ratio in male favour.

If we include Nami Nautilus TahmKench the ratio goes up to 6:2 with a male favour still.


I can keep going like this but I feel like you get the general gist. One thing I actually wonder about sometimes is these ratios in a racial sense, and by that I mean Runeterra's sentient species (the races). Runeterra is known to be inhabited by the following races:

  • Ascendants
  • Brackern (presumably they're still around)
  • Celestial Entities (does this even count? I dunno)
  • Darkin
  • Demons
  • Frozen Watchers
  • Humans
  • Iceborn
  • Marai
  • Trolls
  • Ursine
  • Voidborn (whom are of varying species)
  • Yordles
  • Whatever the fuck Fizz's people are called
  • Whatever the fuck Morgana and Kayle's people are called and don't you say angel or I'll rip your arms off

Of these groups the vast majority are represented in game by only a single individual, with only humans, yordles, voidborn, ascendants, celestial entities and "whatever the fuck Morgana and Kayle's people are called" having multiple representatives of their kind.

Of these races only seven have a female representing them (humans, yordles, voidborn, celestials, M&K's people, Marai and Iceborn), only one of these races isn't playable and only three of them actually get new champions added to their ranks: humans, yordles and voidborn. That last point actually changed this year when Bard became the second celestial being to come to the game, although I'm still wondering if celestial beings can be counted as a "race" so to speak.

I went on a tangent and rambled for a long sodding time, but eh, whatever. TL;DR there's stuff. Go read it.

333lom5 votes

Wow man, this is epic! Your comment deserves a thread on its own. Good job! In my defense, in my thread I said why I excluded Yordles. By the same principal, I might have had excluded Blitz and Orianna, or Zac or Twitch, but they don't belong to a large enough group for me to do that.

DwarvenGiant1 votes

I can keep going like this but I feel like you get the general gist. One thing I actually wonder about sometimes is these ratios in a racial sense, and by that I mean Runeterra's sentient species (the races). Runeterra is known to be inhabited by the following races:

  • Ascendants
  • Brackern (presumably they're still around)
  • Celestial Entities (does this even count? I dunno)
  • Darkin
  • Demons
  • Frozen Watchers
  • Humans
  • Iceborn
  • Marai
  • Trolls
  • Ursine
  • Voidborn (whom are of varying species)
  • Yordles
  • Whatever the fuck Fizz's people are called
  • Whatever the fuck Morgana and Kayle's people are called and don't you say angel or I'll rip your arms off

There's also a giant mentioned in Heimerdinger's lore (his short story- not a paragraph). Just saying. :P

Sharjo1 votes

Ain't no indication that giant's a new race; yordles are small so a lot of things could be giant to them. I still think it's Gnar in mega form though.

DwarvenGiant1 votes

Well, I guess you're right, it could be anything, but I thought I should be just putting it out there. :P

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

Braum Ashe and Sejuani are also iceborn

Sharjo3 votes

No they aren't. They're descended from Iceborn (Braum perhaps not but it's incredibly likely) but they aren't Iceborn themselves.

Since the Iceborn are a subspecies of human they probably conceived children but those children didn't have the same magic, leading to said children being normal humans with some residual magic in their bodies.

CasterGilgamesh4 votes

thats very interesting Braum most likely is true iceborn since he has such vast strength

Sharjo1 votes

Dude's built like a truck; that strength's not necessarily indicative of him being iceborn, I mean Garen and Darius are men of similar builds who wield weapons that are near impossible for any normal human to wield even if they are ripped as hell. The whole "able to use true ice" is a better indicator of an iceborn heritage.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

he can punch his way under a mountain

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I think being able to punch through a mountain is probably indication of strength.

Dreamspitter1 votes

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No they aren't. They're descended from Iceborn (Braum perhaps not but it's incredibly likely) but they aren't Iceborn themselves.

Since the Iceborn are a subspecies of human they probably conceived children but those children didn't have the same magic, leading to said children being normal humans with some residual magic in their bodies.

Braum is OLD as even the grandmother in his background was told stories of Braum by her grandmother.

Sharjo1 votes

Yes but when was the story told? The past? The present? The future?

Also yes, he is old, he certainly looks it, and grandmothers can be fairly young depending on how early they have a child and how early that child grows up to have their own. Hell if we go by the youngest estimates, that grandmother could've been in her mid forties; it's unlikely but a possibility, probably more so in Freljord where your life expectancy would be shorter due to conflict, cold weather/hypothermia, wild animal maulings, etc.

I'm still inclined to believe Braum's an old, strong as hell man and not an iceborn, and even if he is there's no confirmation from any source; only conjecture from the what we've got about him; the potentially exaggerated stories of a grandmother from an unknown point in time.

Dreamspitter1 votes

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Yes but when was the story told? The past? The present? The future?

Also yes, he is old, he certainly looks it, and grandmothers can be fairly young depending on how early they have a child and how early that child grows up to have their own. Hell if we go by the youngest estimates, that grandmother could've been in her mid forties; it's unlikely but a possibility, probably more so in Freljord where your life expectancy would be shorter due to conflict, cold weather/hypothermia, wild animal maulings, etc.

I'm still inclined to believe Braum's an old, strong as hell man and not an iceborn, and even if he is there's no confirmation from any source; only conjecture from the what we've got about him; the potentially exaggerated stories of a grandmother from an unknown point in time.

That's mighty weird, a lore background taking place in a far future telling stories of a champion.

But not impossible.

That aside, stories of Twitch take a kind of urban legend style and so we're getting more stories told in universe about champions -which are not necessarily true or 100% correct.

Ask the Herald2 votes

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Zaun's champion pool is comprised of 9 champions-

Blitzcrank DrMundo Ekko Jinx Singed Twitch Viktor Warwick Zac

For a grand total of five male humans, one female human, one male rat and two un-sexed entities who both identify as male. The ratio here is 8:1 in favour of males.

I should point out that Viktor doesn't identify as human and in fact views himself as something beyond human. Also, Warwick is no longer a human due to his transformation. Both still identify as males, however.

So technically the grand total is three male humans, one female human, one male rat, two males who are inhuman, and two un-sexed entitites who both identify as male.

Sharjo1 votes

Yeah that works out.

ULTRAF0RCE1 votes

oh you forgot Janna who originates from Zaun but currently works with Piltover which I would assume means piltover in this case because the current lore with Ekko suggests that should this list be where someone was born vi would be zaun

Sharjo1 votes

Janna's position in the lore isn't really known right now considering the IoW removal, so for the mean time she kinda sits as an independent champion; she's not affiliated with anyone but herself.

333lom2 votes

I think Riot said that even the events from the JoJ are canon, if they had nothing to do with the IoW. In the Festival of Flight that is a traditional race of zeppelins between Zaun and Piltover, Janna represented Piltover. I think she might still be affiliated with Piltover. What do you think?

Sharjo1 votes

Potentially, especially considering Ekko's stance on Janna being a sell out like Vi considering she just bailed on Zaun when she could've helped it, but I'm not 100% certain. Will wanna wait until there's official confirmation before I make to many assumptions for Janna.

Also I believe it's some events from the JoJ are canon, like Swain becoming Grand General or Ashe and Tryndamere getting married. At the very least those events stay the same in name and only some of the circumstances change, but nothing in the JoJ is exactly safe in the new canon so to speak.

333lom1 votes

I agree.

GenoXx3 votes

Shadow Isles Hecarim Elise Evelynn Kalista Karthus Maokai Nocturne Thresh Yorick - - 9 champs, 8:1 ratio of male and female.

Shurima Azir AmumuRammus RekSai Skarner Nasus Renekton Sivir -- 8 champs, 7:1 ratio(idk if ascended counts for unsexed for obvious reasons)

Kumuguu and Plague Jungles Zyra Nidalee Rengar - -3 champs, 2:1, females to males

Mount Targon Leona Pantheon Diana - -3 champs, 2:1, females to males

Voodoo Lands Annie - -Could be more female

Just because I respcet you sharjo, I took the liberity to add more

Sharjo3 votes

Shadow Isles - 9 champs, 8:1 ratio of male and female.

8:1? So which of the three ladies are packing junk? Kalista, Elise or Evelynn? I'd personally say it's a 6:3 split here.

Shurima

  • 8 champs, 7:1 ratio

The Ascended champions we have were all male before they ascended but more importantly they all identify as male, so they count for the male side. Don't know if Ascended still have their junk considering how severely they get transformed, so they may be unsexed over all, that remains to be seen. Also Rek'Sai is confirmed to be a biological female, so the ratio is actually 6:2

GenoXx1 votes

xD, my bad lol 6:3 ratio And yea for shurima too. Thanks for correction just adding on

Sharjo1 votes

No worries bro, happy to be of help!

333lom2 votes

Very nice, you just made a small mistake in the Shadow Isles - it's 6:3 in favor of females, I believe.

Destínum1 votes

Zilean is also part of the Piltover champion pool according to the website.

Sharjo1 votes

But we know he's from Urtistan, we know Urtistan is still a thing thanks to Vel'Koz and there's no lore at present tying the Chronokeeper to Piltover.

I imagine they stuck him there because someone didn't get the message about his allegiance and he was intended to be listed as independent.

Ultîma1 votes

Wow. That massive post and everyone forgets that Janna is from Zaun. Shame on y'all.

Duke Anax3 votes

Jinx is currently located in Piltower, but she is affiliated to Zaun.

Also Janna is not actually in Piltower as far as we know, she is just allied to Piltover in a foe of my foe kinda way.

Also when you add the three male yordles it looks more like both cities lack female champs.

333lom3 votes

Yep but she does stuff in Piltover, not Zaun. She's impacting the development of actions in Piltover, that's why I put her there.

IcyPepper1 votes

She's not allied to Piltover in any shape or form, though. She's Zaun through and through, and messing with Piltover is something an insane Zaun criminal would likely do.

What's your criteria for which champion represents which region? Birthplace? Alliance? Culture? I don't think physical location counts (Imagine if Swain was hiding out in Demacia, it's not like you could consider him anything but Noxian). Jinx screams Zaun in almost every sense, other than hiding out in Piltover to actively cause the city harm. However, as an example of a champion that hailed from one faction but represents another, Vi was originally from Zaun but is very much a Piltover champion now. Even Ekko comments on it.

333lom2 votes

She is not affiliated with Piltover, she is working against it.

My criteria is what region their actions affect the most. Better said, I judge by where their actions would take place, in hypothetical lore events.

Let's say Jinx is featured in a story. Where would she be? What will she be doing? Jinx's story would be in Piltover. Nothing she does currently has no impact on Zaun. Same with Vi and Janna. Was Janna driving a zeppelin for Zaun? No, she was driving the Tailwind as a representative of Piltover. Do you see what I'm aiming at?

Onegarion1 votes

but she isn't from piltover so you can't. You are putting people in places based on their origins. It doesn't matter where they move too. You can't really change it just because Jinx is in Piltover atm.

333lom2 votes

No, I am not putting people in places based on their origins.

I put characters in places they affect the most.

Onegarion1 votes

Honestly just because they leave where they originated from doesn't mean they don't stand for that group. Vi/Jinx are both still from Zaun whether they represent them or not in the league. Its only arguably Vi from Piltover since that is where she has moved to after being a kid and many people would put Vi in piltover overall, but Jinx is without a doubt from Zuan and is by no means representing Piltover. She is the to VI what Viktor is to Jayce. The only difference is Jinx is seeking to cause Vi problems personally and at home.

You are also providing an artificial discrepancy with saying Yordles don't count, but turn around and say that you put these champs because of where they are most prominent. This would make Ziggs and Heimer logical flaws in your system. They are by far more Piltover than Bandle city. Its illogical and falsifying your results by making a huge exception when it contradicts your own basis of sorting.

333lom1 votes

My criteria is solid. I explained it in the post, I have an additional explanation in the reply to a comment above; I've seen another thread recently that addressed the issue with the number of female Yordles compared to the number of male ones. That is why I decided to place them in a group of their own, and especially since I know that people view them differently, separate of humans and humanoids. Jinx is from Zaun. End of story. But nothing she does has any significance to Zaun, but it affects Piltover greatly. I put her in Piltover because if she had a written story, that's where it would take place.

Onegarion1 votes

Again you are completely contradicting yourself by excluding Yordles. It doesn't matter about another thread addressing them when there are yordles that affect piltover more than bandle city which is the exact reason that you put Jinx in Piltover. You can't do that and have a valid argument. You have to follow your own rules regardless of what some other thread does. Heimer and Ziggs are in the forefront of science in Piltover as a whole and affect the city in which they reside much more in everything they do.

I read that statement and again its flawed. Thats not a valid argument at all. Just because jinx causes havoc in Piltover doesn't mean she belongs there. There are many champions that don't represent any faction because they aren't allied. Jinx being one, who originated from zaun. So i guess by your own criteria Riven is then Ionian because she is no longer Noxus and has caused more events to occur in Ionia? Your criteria is flawed and therefore your argument is at its core flawed. This criteria of yours isn't a valid one because as the story changes so does where champs belong. This would make TF and Graves apart of Bilgewater because of the recent lore since they are a big driving factor in Bilgewater.

Jinx is in Piltoverfor 2 reasons: 1) Vi and causing her as many issues as she can and 2) Because Piltover is the opposite of Zaun where in its unexciting. She still is apart of Zaun's roster of champs

333lom1 votes

Hey. If you don't want to listen to what I'm saying and plan on trying to convince me that I'm wrong, no point in you staying here. You're getting angry for no reason.

Yes, Ziggs and Heimer are a major factor in Piltover. But when people look at them, they place them in the same group as Teemo, Tristana, Rumble, etc. primarily. That's why I decided to put them in the Yordle group. The point of my thread was "perhaps more human or human-like males for Piltover.

Jinx does absolutely nothing to Zaun. She's irrelevant there. Vi was probably also born in Zaun, but when people look at her, they think "Piltover". When people think of Jinx? They say "Oh, she's terrorizing Piltover". Riven would still belong to Noxus, because her intents are directed towards Noxus, starting an uprising/revolution there or whatever. TF and Graves are a part of Bilge, and further events would just extend their influence, but they'd remain strongly tied to Bilge since that's where the most of their action took place. It's all fine-tuning, TF was born in Bilge or on the outskirts, and met Graves who knows where. We don't even know where Graves was born, yet you place him in Bilge by the exact same criteria I'm using - where he is the most significant, where his intents go.

Placing Jinx in Zaun group does absolutely nothing for Zaun story-wise. Are you talking about Factions rooster? That rooster heavily depends on the story events there. She was rescued by several Zaunites and then asked to work for them, for Zaun, in Factions lore. Riot's Fields of Justice are practically non- existent, so no point in saying who fights for which City-state, they all fight for themselves. Like Ekko. There aren't roosters there. It all depends on in which place their actions take place.

Celio Hogane HD2 votes

Heimerdinger and Ziggs are both from piltower AND bandle, just because you don't feel counting them doesn't mean they should not...

And Both Vi and Jinx are now from piltower and Janna is from... whatever she lives, but remember that all 3 are champions who were born in Zaun.

Ah btw, you forgot Warwick, is zaunite.

So is not the fact zaun lacks females, is they just leave zaun.

So if we go for BIRHTPLACES, Piltower has 2 females and 2 males.

333lom1 votes

Yeah, I found some that I forgot, I put them up there. Heimer and Ziggs work in Piltover now, yeah. But I felt that they belong to the group of Yordles, that that defines them more, and that it's better to look at them in that light. Janna, Jinx and probably Vi were born in Zaun, but now are strongly connected to Piltover. If we look at birthplaces, than yes, it is like that. Piltover would have only 4 champions, and would need more!

Kerrigan 4 Prez2 votes

I would just like to point out, that Jinx and Vi are both from Zaun. This is known through Ekko special taunts to the two of them.

Onegarion1 votes

Jinx is known from a lot of her teasers too. Ekko just solidified it.

333lom1 votes

They were born in Zaun, but now reside in Piltover. I wrote that in the post, in case you didn't see it.

Kerrigan 4 Prez1 votes

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They were born in Zaun, but now reside in Piltover. I wrote that in the post, in case you didn't see it.

Oh sorry, I must have missed that

333lom1 votes

It's okay. I don't know why someone downvoted you though. Pff

kokopelli21 votes

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that blitz was a girl

333lom1 votes

Eh it was a joke, although Blitz has no biological gender, He has stated himself that he identifies as a male.

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