Ugh there is just far too much potential in the Noxus LU!

Whyte Lyon··28 votes·12,377 views

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There is something incredibly old about Noxus, not just in terms of its history but in its bones as well. Victory is their currency, it hungers for sovereignty and thrives off conquest. They have been doing this for as long as anyone can remember. However Noxus isn't as noble as some will have you believe it to be, the inclusive Empire might be unfaltering but there is a presence of jealousy and rage among them. Deep down they realize that they’re not as fortunate like the rest of the world, which is why there is no freedom for anyone who cannot prove their worth.

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Noxus isn't my favourite region (as my heart belongs to Zaun) but no one can deny that the nation has so much more potential than any of the other regions. There are numerous narrative directions and options that have been pre-established from old lore, begging to be told anew. With many reasons for this, the biggest being that pre-retcon Noxus was the most established region among them all. More so the other regions from pre-retcon had very little to no world building to begin with, so it’s no surprise that places like Piltover/Zaun, Demacia and (when it eventually gets an LU) Bandle City will have vast differences from their former selves. However I don't think that entirely applies to Noxus, since the fundamentals of its old lore can be carried over into the new. If anything most of it just needs more context and/or follow up rather than re-imagining. At least that's what I think whether or not Narrative feel the same is a different thing entirely.


Out of the 10 or so champs that need updating and lets assume only 6 of those gets an LU. Who do we think or who do we know is important enough to spearhead their nation into the post-retcon? - Always remembering that Swain's VGU has high potential for a hopefully not too distant future relaunch, which I would assume will come with its own LU as well.

I have considered the following Talon Katarina Cassiopeia (Girl still needs her bio update). I pick these three simply on the basis that I would like to see Narrative properly tackle General Du Couteau's disappearance. How that story would play out is the Narrative team's issue. However I will admit a story focusing on kids with abandonment issues might not be the most ideal way to re-introduce Noxus but I have faith in Riot's efforts.

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Blood Magicks13 votes

Oh, my heart rate speeds up every time I think of this.

Every, and I mean EVERY Noxian champ has a cult following of insanely loyal fans. Noxus is the most diverse and politically complex faction.

What I'm saying is these lores need to be mastercrafted with the utmost love and care, because with potential like this success would be incredibly rewarding.

Cobey4 votes

Every, and I mean EVERY Noxian champ has a cult following of insanely loyal fans. Noxus is the most diverse and politically complex faction.

What I'm saying is these lores need to be mastercrafted with the utmost love and care, because with potential like this success would be incredibly rewarding.

This. While I don't play Swain much in game anymore, he is by far my favorite champ lore-wise. The guy is both a renowned general and master politician. I'd like to see a darker House of Cards style lore focusing much more on the political side of him and much less on the military. I want to see him slowly play his pieces and manipulate the other characters. I actually think the stories of a lot Noxus' main characters can be told with Jericho Swain as a focal point.

SzGamer2273 votes

As a Darius OTP, I can share that excitement. If you really know the grit of Swain's lore you know that Darius' own lore ends to the effect of 'Darius likes Swain and wants him in charge', which is more of an "um ok" moment than a powerful revelation, and I'm really hyped to see what Riot's storytellers do with this connection. Swain is definitely hinted at being a lot more influential than any current lore fully realizes, and us Noxus cultists and lore whores need the juicy details.

HalfTangible7 votes

I feel that, when updating the lore of any given region, it's important to get a good view of the region at its best and its worst. More importantly, you need to establish how the region currently is and where it could go from here.

For Noxus in particular, their big thing internal thing imo has always been the struggle between the various ideals of what strength is. Katarina sees it as loyalty above all else, Darius as 'getting shit done', Swain as brilliant planning, LeBlanc as manipulation, etc etc. Noxus builds itself on the effectiveness of its troops more than anything else, so such an attitude makes sense.

Let's go through the Noxian characters and see what Riot can do with them. (Keep in mind the point here is to show off Noxus as a nation/region, not necessarily to show us how cool a particular character is)

Cassiopeia is in Shurima, last I checked, and had an update there. If she does receive an update, I doubt it'll focus entirely on Noxus, given that she's largely cut out of public life.

Darius is a sure-in. The guy is a major war general and the main man trying to purge Noxus of its main problem: corruption in the ranks. This makes his inclusion basically a necessity, as it would give the clearest possible picture of Noxus' current political and military affairs.

Draven is a one-man show, so updating him won't tell us much about Noxus. He'll probably get updated alone to show us about the combat arenas he holds entertainments in (see Fiora for a comparable example). I could see him getting an update alongside his brother Darius, but other than that I don't see a pressing need for an update. Also, we already know he will be getting touched up in the Draven update. His ego requires another patch; it's still too small.

Katarina is another sure-in. She's THE Noxian champion in the old lore and imo the current one. Hot blooded and strong, but loyal to an almost fanatical degree. I've always said she's the Noxian ideal. Noxus promises its citizens the freedom to work as they choose (which Kat does) but it also wants them to have an eye for the health of the empire as a whole (Which she does). Updating Noxus without her and Darius would be like updating Demacia without Jarvan/Garen.

Kled is already updated, and if he needs changes it'll probably be with the full Bandle City/Yordle update.

LeBlanc's got her hand in basically everything in Noxus. So she'll be updated, though it will probably center largely on the black rose rather than LeBlanc herself. It'll probably also give us some insight into Noxus' history, much like Galio's did with the introduction of petricite. If not, reference will certainly be made to her.

Riven, as much as I love her, probably won't be updated here. She's very much the Exile, so she won't be anywhere near Noxus. Her update will probably come with Ionia, since her lore is probably gonna be tied with Noxus' invasion of the region.

Sion's already got a color story, but he has no bio, and that's a major problem for his lore page.

Swain will probably be updated. He's the de facto leader of Noxus from a political standpoint, and the main figurehead for a major faction in world politics. We NEED to know what he's doing.

Talon's lore is very limiting in what it can show us about Noxus.

Urgot is getting a full VGU soon anyway, so yeah.

Vladimir... I honestly don't even know what to make of this guy.

Thoughts, comments, additions?

GreenLore1 votes

I actually doubt that Swain will be updated.(at least not when Urgot gets his update) He is on the list for a VGU,so they might wait with his lore update until he gets his own relaunch.

HalfTangible1 votes

Hm. Maybe? They could do a lore update before the full VGU.

GreenLore2 votes

While that is possible(after all Mordekaiser and DrMundo got updated lores even though they are on the update list) I doubt that this will be done with him. Because they did mention that they are likely gonna remove either the "tactician"- or the "warlock"-theme of him,so its kinda difficult to update his lore as long as they haven't decided what they want to do with him.

Blitzidious1 votes

When did they mention this? Could I get a link please, this interests me. :o

GreenLore2 votes

Sorry can't find it anymore,it was said a long time ago.

HalfTangible1 votes

I'm hoping they keep the tactician theme. It's the more interesting aspect of his character, I feel, and the more unique. We've already got warlocks everywhere in League, and multiple characters refer to him as the Master Tactician (more recently, Kled)

GreenLore3 votes

Soooo what other warlocks do we have in the game? None of the other mages received their powers from a pact with another creature.

Tbh,I think the warlock theme is more worth in that aspect,since his status as a tactician is more of an informed attribute(we are merely told that he is a master tactician,but never shown),wheras his warlock theme is core to his gameplay.

Ralanr1 votes

Azir is better at pulling off the tactician aspect anyway.

HalfTangible1 votes

shrug Arguably?

He always struck me as more strategic commander than tactician.

HalfTangible1 votes

"What other warlocks do we have" Are you f#@$ing serious? There are dark wizards everywhere in this game.

"None of the other mages received their powers from a pact with another creature." I wasn't even aware this was supposed to be a thing for Swain, but it's demonstrably false.

Udyr, Elise and Annie, and all of the Shuriman Ascended characters got their powers through pacts, off the top of my head. As for others: Brand, Cassieopeia, (possibly Evelynn? Riot's never been too clear on where her powers came from, just that she feeds on agony), Illaoi, Ivern (though admittedly this one was by accident and is more druid than warlock), Lissandra, Lulu, Malzahar, Varus, Vladimir and Yorick could all go by this description, and I'm pretty sure I missed a few.

Even if you only bring in the mages that are explicitly so in both lore AND mechanics, that still leaves Annie, Brand, Lissandra, Lulu, Malzahar and Vlad.

Honestly I hope they keep both the warlock and the tactician aspects, but if they must choose one to keep, I'm hoping it's the latter.

GreenLore3 votes

Dark wizard =/= warlock

A warlock is a dark wizard who gained his powers through a pact with another(demonic or dark) being

Udyr isn't a warlock,he is a shaman Elise doesn't qualify as a warlock as she isn't really a mage,she is more like a spider monster(also warlocks are traditionally male,just like witches are female). Annie didn't get her powers through a pact,she was born with them. The ascended are all not human anymore,they are based on egyptian gods and none of them feel like dark wizards Brand is a fire elemental Cassiopeia was cursed Ivern was transformed by merging with the god willow Lissandra is probably the closest thing to another warlock,but like I mentioned before,Warlocks are typically male and she also lacks the typical wizard dress Lulu learned her magic from the fey,she didn't make a pact with them. Malz was corrupted by the void and got his magic through that. Varus got corrupted,again no pact(also he isn't even a mage) Vlad got his powers passed down by his master Yorick was corrupted by the black mist.

Ralanr1 votes

Plus Yorick is more necromancer than warlock.

Blood Magicks1 votes

Vlad is a pretty good candidate for a main POV in the Black Rose storyline IMO. While being somewhat key to the story (Sion resurrection, weapons of mass destruction, possibly the death of Garen's uncle), he is simply the most relatable from the Noxian dark magic bunch. He's the ambitious young fella bent on overcoming all challenges through talent, wits and willpower and rising to the top.

Putting Swain or LeBlanc as POV will be interesting but I feel might dispell some of their mystery, which can have a negative impact - mystery plays a huge part in their appeal.

HalfTangible1 votes

Elise and Evelynn's updates showed that you don't need to do a POV on a character to update their lore. And since the lore of League is more birds-eye than the Journal of Justice was, such mystery feels unnecessary. Especially since - as said previously - Swain and LeBlanc are such major players in the politics of Noxus.

I hadn't considered that angle on Vlad before, though, so who knows?

Blood Magicks2 votes

Really? For Demacia and all the recent large multi-character stories look pretty POV-y to me. That's the type of stories I was talking about. It's pretty clear that Swain and LeBlanc's lore will read like historical chronicle, but there will be a big story too.

Ralanr5 votes

I want a full Sion bio so badly man. I want to know the Sion who lived!

Blood Magicks6 votes

I want a plush Sion on Noxus update. Just as you suggested.

Veltox1 votes

That would look disturbingly cute.

Ralanr4 votes

And whenever you squeeze it, it says, "COWARDS!!!"

Veltox2 votes

Or 'YOU CAN'T EVEN SCRATCH ME!'"

Ralanr3 votes

Just a bunch of Sion quotes.

"Hug me, Sion!" Is what it'll be called.

Glory ln Death2 votes

"ONLY COWARDS FEAR HUGS!"

GreenLore7 votes

Well normally I'd say that they should focus on updating the champs of the faction based on their importance to it(for example in the demacia event they updated the lores of all the demacians who had no big connections to other nations),in the case of Noxus I'd rank the champs roughly this way: Tier 1(central characters) Swain I mean he is the leader of Noxus and has connections to more noxian champs than any other champ.

Tier 2(iconic/important champs) Katarina Darius Leblanc Sion Kata and Darius are pretty much the most iconic Noxus champs and Leblanc is the leader of her own mini faction within Noxus,so she is also quite important.Meanwhile Sion is a warhero and their secret weapon,so he is iconic for them in-universe

Tier3(at leas they are mainly connected to Noxus) Draven Vladimir Talon None of these 3 really seem to be that important for Noxus,but at least they are purely noxian champs.

Tier4(Might as well be a champion of another faction) Kled Riven Urgot Cassiopeia Cassio&Urgot look like they are from Shurima/Zaun respectively and Riven doesn't live in Noxus anymore as well.Kled does live in noxus,so it might be wrong of me to list him here,but that doesn't matter anyway,since he has already a complete lore and doesn't need an update anyway.

However the big question is when we'll get the first noxus lore update. We might get the first part with Urgots VGU and then the second part with Swains VGU. However since Swain is so central to Noxus,they might actually shy away from updating a few of the more important noxus-champs when urgot gets his VGU. I mean its kinda hard to establish Darius as Swains right hand man,if they can't establish Swain first.

And then there is also the fact that cassio and Sion have been bioless for quite some time,so I feel like they should get a new bio regardless of how important they are to Noxus.

Over Innsmouth2 votes

Vladimir resurrected Sion bruh.

GreenLore3 votes

He didn't resurrect him,he reprogrammed him. Sion was already undead and imprisoned in his own tomb before Vlad was ordered by Swain to change Sions mind.

And while that was important for Sion,it only means that Vlad is a side character in Sions origin story. That doesn't make him essential to Noxus as a whole.

Wrathof3001 votes

Granted that we in fact know that Riot was working of back story relations to the Vastaya it may be possible we get his lore update before his VGU. Pantheon got his last year and he is also tier 1 and it isn't uncommon where we see drastic changes in the lore of some characters eg Orianna doesn't even has her keep in lore anymore.

It all depends on when Swain's VGU will be coming, if he is confirmed to be after Evelynn they may keep his lore until then, otherwise there is no particular reason to exclude him from the Noxus update. If we are getting a Noxus update on Urgot's release we would already know the answer by whether or not his is listed on the Noxus Update page they make.

GreenLore3 votes

It was actually hinted in a few threads that Rakan simply mistakes Swain for a human shapeshifter with vastayan blood,even if Swain isn't one.

And they said that they aren't sure into which direction they'll take Swain. They are likely going to focus on either the warlock-theme or the tactician-theme of his character,but not both. So a lore update seems unlikely until they have figured out into which direction they'll take him.

DeathBurst1 votes

Well, Urgot looks like he's from Zaun because he was actually created using Zaunite technology.

Duchess Katarina4 votes

What about Morgana? She lives in Noxus, I know her lore is obviously tied in with Kayle. But I think she could provide some insight to Noxus, especially as an outsider.

Whyte Lyon2 votes

What about Morgana? She lives in Noxus... I think she could provide some insight into Noxus.

Umm no not really. Morgana and Kayle are both giant plot holes. Neither have any lore and nothing about them has been canon since before the retcon, essentially the two don't exist. Plus Morg & Kayle are integral to each other, one cannot receive lore without the other getting some too. And since the topic is of Noxus specifically it wouldn't make any sense that kayle feature in the update. Personally I wouldn't hold my breath at all.

Can I just say, the fact that Morgana ever "lived" in Noxus is another example of the hogwash that was the old lore. I am curious though, why did you think Morgana still lived in Noxus?

Duchess Katarina4 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Morgana and http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Noxus#Affiliated_Champions It says that she is a resident of Noxus... And that her bakery Sinful Succulence is there. But then again I guess it is part of the old lore and I keep forgetting that the old lore is no longer canon (I am a little bias though, there are still a lot of things about the old lore that I enjoy).

But yeah I know it's not likely that Morgana would be updated with Noxus because of Kayle. I was trying to allude to that in my original post, but you said it better.

LordHippoman3 votes

That's still up because her Lore hasn't been updated yet, which it has to be due to the loss of the Institute of War.

Sinful Succulence hasn't been expressly made not canon yet, but they seem to be doing away with a lot of the sillier stuff from the Journal of Justice days, like Pentakill and Blitzcrank's Fleshling Compatibility Service. I doubt it'll stay, unfortunately, because some of that was pretty fun, but it doesn't much fit the mood of the new Lore.

(never forget Blitzcrank punching Singed in the nuts)

EDIT: Whoops, I missed the part of your post where you already got that. My bad.

Duchess Katarina3 votes

Morgana has her Sinful Succulence skin though... So I'm not sure what they'll do about that.

LordHippoman3 votes

I'm...conflicted about the Noxus Lore update.

I think it's pretty clear the intended direction for Noxus changed as League was developing. They were the generic villain state in a lot of the earliest champs' backstories. Need slavers for Alistar? Noxus. Want some people to murder Yi's village? Noxus. Need some people to toss Veigar in jail and drive him insane because "lol, yordles"? Noxians got you covered. Also, and I cannot emphasize this enough, because it is amazing, THEY LIVED ON A GIANT SKULL SHAPED MOUNTAIN.

But you start seeing a change in that with characters like Riven, and even Darius a little, where Noxus starts to get more nuances and traits regarding personal freedom that Demacia evidently lacked. Probably a lot of reasons for that, wanting to make the story more complicated, fans latching onto Noxian characters like Swain or Kat, etc. But there's still this canon tangling issue of:

Swain : "We're the empire of personal freedom where anyone can rise up! Also over here we have our Gladiatorial Slave Death Pits, the prison where we keep people of other species, and a monument to That Time We Genocided The Minotaurs."

So I'm expecting the Noxian Lore update to cut a lot of that. They've already, as OP mentioned, made them very inclusive, which is a pretty sharp retcon from "notoriously xenophobic", as they were described in their old summary. I'm guessing the slavery is getting dumped too. I think that's good, to help make Noxus more of an interesting location and less of a generic bad guy zone. It is going to be a retcon, yes, which is unfortunate, unless it's explained away via Swain being a less savage Grand General than Darkwill. Still, though, there are a ton of good stories waiting to be told with Noxus and Noxian champs. My personal picks for stuff I want expanded would be:

Cassiopeia Katarina 's Dad. What the hell happened to Marcus? Is he even still canon? I hope so, that was a great unsolved mystery. Cass is also a character I'd really like to see more of. Her new short story on Universe paints an almost sort of benevolent vigilante side to her, which is something we haven't seen before and I'd love to hear about.

Leblanc The Black Rose has some awesome storytelling opportunities. Secret government-controlling cult, maybe some unknown endgame, they're stylish as hell.

Swain . Just...anything involving Swain. He's such a good character, he's got his hands in everything. He's apparently tricked the Vastaya, he's in good with the Black Rose, he murdered and schemed his way to the top, and he's gotta learn soon that he's sitting on Morde's old house.

RiotWhren8 votes

So I'm expecting the Noxian Lore update to cut a lot of that. They've already, as OP mentioned, made them very inclusive, which is a pretty sharp retcon from "notoriously xenophobic", as they were described in their old summary. I'm guessing the slavery is getting dumped too.

DISCLAIMER I AM NOT A WRITER T_T (I am an artist)

So... Noxus is my super-duper favorite faction and I helped work on a lot of the current visuals for it (the angular brutalist thing, edgy color palette and all that). In my head, Noxus would never get rid of slavery, because it's not so much that they're now "not the bad guys", but at least in my head it's always been the place where anything can happen. You can be anyone or anything without judgement. If that means being able to hold down a legion of slaves and profit off blood spilled in the arena, you can do that. So to me the narrative shift has never been "we used to be bad but now we're not that bad", it's more of "We used to be BAD AND THAT WAS THAT, but now we can also be opportunistic, greedy capitalist fucks if we want to". Thus the Noxian response to slaves would be, well, they weren't as strong or as capable as I or they wouldn't be slaves.

No one in Noxus to me would actually believe everyone deserved personal freedom. But everyone would believe that each individual -could- have personal freedom if they were capable of it. Noxians aren't inclusive because they think everyone is a unicorn, but because if you're a Yordle you can fit through tiny doors that humans can't and therefore you are useful in some way.

The Black Rose has some awesome storytelling opportunities. Secret government-controlling cult, maybe some unknown endgame, they're stylish as hell.

Me too, man. I've tried my best to make Noxus feel stylish at least visually. The whole faction should just feel like medieval James Bond imo.

LordHippoman3 votes

{quoted}

DISCLAIMER I AM NOT A WRITER T_T (I am an artist)

So... Noxus is my super-duper favorite faction and I helped work on a lot of the current visuals for it (the angular brutalist thing, edgy color palette and all that). In my head, Noxus would never get rid of slavery, because it's not so much that they're now "not the bad guys", but at least in my head it's always been the place where anything can happen. You can be anyone or anything without judgement. If that means being able to hold down a legion of slaves and profit off blood spilled in the arena, you can do that. So to me the narrative shift has never been "we used to be bad but now we're not that bad", it's more of "We used to be BAD AND THAT WAS THAT, but now we can also be opportunistic, greedy capitalist fucks if we want to". Thus the Noxian response to slaves would be, well, they weren't as strong or as capable as I or they wouldn't be slaves.

No one in Noxus to me would actually believe everyone deserved personal freedom. But everyone would believe that each individual -could- have personal freedom if they were capable of it. Noxians aren't inclusive because they think everyone is a unicorn, but because if you're a Yordle you can fit through tiny doors that humans can't and therefore you are useful in some way.

Me too, man. I've tried my best to make Noxus feel stylish at least visually. The whole faction should just feel like medieval James Bond imo.

I've always found opportunism with Noxus to be one of their more interesting aspects, since it seems to clash with the whole "honor in battle" thing characters like Riven seem to cling to. There's a really interesting divide between her views and Swain's, who seems to be willing to do anything and play as dirty as he wants to win. I'm a big fan of that tension between characters inside of a faction. Secretly pushing for a civil war here, but that's probably still my fanfic pipe dream.

That's also definitely a perspective on freedom/control I could see Noxus taking, so I'll have to reconsider my silly random guessing about what direction they'll take. I didn't much consider the super social Darwinism thing, but it fits with a lot of their champs, especially Darius. It also helps make them a stronger foil to Demacia's very rigid, nobility based system, and that's a good story hook.

Congrats, by the way, on your work with the Noxian visuals, I'm a big fan of the way the outfits and buildings look really imposing without being over the top. Everyone's not covered in spiked armor, but they still look pretty intimidating.

(i still kinda miss skull mountain)

RiotWhren5 votes

Me too! If there's any place for a civil war, I'd love for it to take place in Noxus. On one hand, an honorable battle is the only way you can judge objective prowess, but on the other hand, it also opens you up to a higher probability of losing. Which is the right path? I have no idea, and I doubt all Noxians would be unified on that front either. I'd imagine living in Noxus to be extremely stressful and taxing, but it's still the only place where your right to assert yourself (to your own detriment and/or success) is baked into everyone's belief system.

It should also be said that Demacians can afford to take the moral high ground because of all their resources. Noxians are generally fighting for survival all the time, externally and internally -- too many people, too much war, all the time, constantly. We wanted to draw statues in Noxus initially, but we decided against it. That's a Demacian thing, because they can afford to have effigies of their powerful people. Powerful people in Noxus either become very paranoid or don't last very long because someone else is always looking to topple them. So everything in Noxus constantly moves, whether it's social hierarchy, or armies, or the rise and fall of houses, and I think that's why I love the faction.

Re: skull mountain --

This Mitchell and Webb skit summarizes our decision to scrap it. :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

However, if you look closely at the Immortal Bastion, it's lines are supposed to abstractly represent skull parts. (It's not a coincidence that the fortress arms look like jawbones, for instance).

Chromatic Eagle3 votes

Doesn't Sion have a monument?

Ralanr2 votes

I think it blew up with him waking up.

RiotWhren3 votes

Yes, and also, while it's a general rule that most lords of Noxus wouldn't do something like that, Sion really just was THE warrior. And he was dead when it was built. In modern Noxus anyway, it's not displayed on architecture, it's not flaunted (contrast to Demacia, where statues and effigies are fused into and on permanent display in buildings).

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Hm, I never noticed the skull shape in it. Guess I just saw Minas Morgul in it the moment I saw the picture, and didn't see anything else from there :P https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/0/02/MinasMorgul.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141228211206

RiotWhren2 votes

Haha, good one! Yeah, mainly it's the combination of the Minas Morgul arms with the square 'teeth' armaments on the top that forms giant T-rex jawbones. I made it a point to divide the city centrally as well, as if a giant axe had cleaved the bastion and the land in two (but it's really just designed that way). The openings in the middle have the square arches with the teeth on them, so they look like open mouths. Altogether, it's like if you took the skull-like design elements of the Noxian crest and transposed them into a fortress.

LordHippoman2 votes

I've actually straight-up used "Are We The Baddies?" joking around with people about Noxus before, so I love that it's apparently a factor inside Riot as well.

Also I honestly didn't notice the skull bits, that's great. That's extremely on point for Mordekaiser's aesthetic too.

RiotWhren2 votes

Oh, we sent that skit around to convince everyone early on that Skull Mountain was too on the nose. My favorite bit is when it cuts to the skull sweater.

ULTRAF0RCE1 votes

I think they could argue that the Immortal Bastion is showing that even underdogs can defeat the "baddies" as they would put it because remember the Bastion came before Noxus that was how Noxus was formed by defeating Mordekaiser and taking the Bastion. Also one really neat interpretation of Noxus is that seen in Spellthief by Cerulean Oak on archive of our own, it's a 100 000 20 chapter long story about Lux's spy mission in Noxus.

HalfTangible1 votes

Keep in mind that any well-fleshed out nation is going to have nuance and seeming contradiction. Heck, look at Demacia. For a nation hung up on working together and being unified in duty, they're pretty harsh on their mage population.

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