@IronStylus, how do you feel about LeBlanc's current model?
Just wondering what shape you think she's in right now model wise.
Just wondering what shape you think she's in right now model wise.
Eh. She's not the worst offender. She got a lot better with the texture re balance, but as with most old stuff, with her I'm more concerned with theme. What the hell is she and why does she wear strings of jelly?
Eh. She's not the worst offender....why does she wear strings of jelly?
Detecting serious some salt here. Leona wears blocks of cheese to hide from the sun she is supposed to worship. Her pool party skin also 'hides her from the sun'........................
While I do agree with you, you can't voice those kinds of opinions here. People here will just downvote you.
While I do agree with you, you can't voice those kinds of opinions here. People here will just downvote you.
Can you imagine how these ppl think compared with how red-blooded 'true' men and women think? I don't even know what they are.
Recently you have solidified Noxus' shape language and colour-scheme a lot better. (I'm a **big **fan of it!) A few Noxian champions detract pretty far from it now though, LeBlanc included.
It certainly isn't obvious that she belongs to the same faction as Darius, Sion and Katarina. On the other hand her visual read is important, obviously.
What's your stance on that for future VU's? With LeBlanc as an example, would you change her shape and colours drastically, try to make the visuals meet halfway, or would you try to solidify her as an entirely different "flavour" of Noxian?
Same goes for Urgot (Zaunite themes are dominant) and Swain (The glorious leader, while distinct, should maybe use more of the factions visual language?).
Hmm.. I think whatever "Noxian" means, yes, probably. We'd dig into what form language and other visual reference we've developed internally and derive from that. I think actually that Raven Le Blanc would have made a KILLER new base. But that's just me.
Zeronis did a really amazing concept of her which plays around more with the whole deceiver thing and duality. We played with using masks and mask motifs as nods to deception, as well as asymmetry in her design to denote contrast. I think he did a really elegant take. That concept is currently sitting on the back burner while we focus on other stuff but will be revisited when we plan to do more work on her.
I love Ravenborne Le Blanc so much that I'm glad it's not her new base because then I wouldn't buy any of her new skins that would come out later down the pipe.
Sexy spymistress...thing. Her stripperific look is to...'distract'...people I guess.
I mean, she was designed to be eye-candy, let's be honest. But at least I can sorta see how looking and dressing how she does could help her at her job. She's kinda like the idea of the pretty stage magician's assistant, whose purpose is to distract the audience away from noticing how an illusion is being performed. Except she's both at the same time.
Though I still laugh at how she was described as 'high class' back when Riot introduced her. High class 'escort' maybe but come on...
Edit: Also to contrast her with Swain? Play up the Hot Girl Ugly Guy trope? Every time either of them are mentioned in lore, it's almost always in association with the other; especially for LeBlanc. They look like they're designed as a pair lately with the Tyrant Swain and Ravenborn LeBlanc skin pretty much being matching skins like the Tango TF/Evelyn skins are.
I agree with your observations, but the design decisions shouldn't have to be rationalized so heavily. It's fine that she dresses for sex appeal, but the cut of her dress should be more reminiscent of high fashion and less of pornstar swimsuits. The amount of skin isn't a problem, it's the execution that detracts from her theme. I think her intended theme always was, but the means are lacking. Some character designs early on relied quite heavily on "sex sells"; just look at the "assassin" Evelynn in full BDSM-gear.
However, today I think the approach is a lot more progressive, sophisticated and diverse. Sex appeal is used relatively responsibly, where it fits the fantasy. The result isn't always perfect but there is a healthy discourse going on along with it.
I agree with your observations, but the design decisions shouldn't have to be rationalized so heavily. It's fine that she dresses for sex appeal, but the cut of her dress should be more reminiscent of high fashion and less of pornstar swimsuits.
sorry but high fashion? she's not on the cat walk. I resent your porn-star accusation.. it's something conservatives always like to bring up to hate on women dressing nicely (with a low amount on)....."x is a pornstar, cover up or be modest blahblah blah". Old. It's a viewpoint I would detest as a female-which is why anti-females do it.
responsibly
Shouldn't even be a factor. It's just more of the above.
Nice try.
Woah man, anti-female? I made it clear I didn't have anything against sex appeal. Given her character high fashion would represent the character better than her current dress, 'tis all. She's already halfway there, really.
It matters how a specific character is presented, and doing it well doesn't exclude attractiveness, obviously. Engaging characters must be attractive in some sense. Skimpy is one way of doing it, but it only fits so many types of characters. Choosing a relevant flavour of attractive for a character is doing it responsibly, lazy titillation is not. (I'm *not *arguing any champions do that, so don't quote me on it.) Responsibly doesn't mean "less sexy".
(I didn't understand why you thought "responsibly" was a bad thing, but I tried to elaborate.)
that's a lot better than your other one. the word responsible means a lot more control to a lot of annoying people...so think about word choice a bit more sometimes..
Assuming ill intent and throwing accusations does not make for constructive arguments, for future reference.
Assuming ill intent and throwing accusations does not make for constructive arguments, for future reference.
Strictly speaking I would say the same to your first comment if it was alone....I said your second one was worded better....so you should feel happy I changed my mind. But your first as it stands raises some concerns to me.
"Dressing nicely"?! WTF dude would you let your daughter go outside dressed that way?! Don't even dare to say "yes" please, and don't pretend to dissimulate obviously inappropriate dressing code with a means of emancipating and empowering women, because that leads exactly to the very opposite effect. So use your brain and calm your titties Mrs Crocodile Dundee: if crave having a nonsensical fight so much just go punch some sharks in the ocean.
"Dressing nicely"?! WTF dude would you let your daughter go outside dressed that way?!
Yes I would.
don't pretend to dissimulate obviously inappropriate dressing code with a
It's not inappropriate, unless you want to control what they wear. Sounds like you want to do that. *That's *obviously inappropriate.
I really don't agree that the texture rebalance made her better. While I've stated this enough times elsewhere to become a broken record at this point, of every texture rebalance that we've gotten, LeBlanc's is the only one that I would say is downright not good (well there WERE some other not good ones, but all the other not good ones actually got fixed, while her's did not). It's at the point that if I want to play LeBlanc, I feel I have no choice but to use the new harrowing skin she got, because it's the only skin that actually looks appropriate. It's not that the colours on her other skins became more muted (though in the case of Prestigious it is particularly bad), so much as it is that the colours just don't look right. Ravenborn is the only one that ends up looking the way it should, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it's also the only skin where she maintains the pallid complexion that used to be the default on all her skins.
I agree her colours look bad, but I think the reason that wasn't as apparent before was the ridiculous contrast. Their new guide dictates she can't have quite so much over-exposure, but she was coloured with the contrast in mind. She would have to have her hues tweaked, imho.
So I take it you aren't a fan of LeBlanc's bikini thing? I do agree that its kinda out of place.
What the hell is she and why does she wear strings of jelly?
I totally agree with you, pudding would have been better.
That said, I kind of like her strappy bikini outfit. I guess it kind of looks like what an entertainer magician would wear because it is showy and flashy. Leblanc is showy and flashy in terms of gameplay to it matches her well.
Swain's gotta eat.
Swain's gotta eat.
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Sexyness/attractiveness line up well with characters who rely on these to deceive others. Considering this is what Le Blanc does, being sexy or attractive lines up with her character rather well.
The problem is that her current outfit doesn't really communicate anything as to what she is or what she does effectively at all, aside from the fact that she can evoke erotic emotion.
Is she supposed to be a high society women who uses many of the tools, including her looks, to achieve her political social and economic machinations? If so, the look fails completely.
Ya its kind of a strange outfit but o well looks good :U!
@IronStylus
Dear IronStylus,
LeBlanc is my favorite champion, and I am in love with her current splash art. It's crisp, polished, and sexy. If you really must change it, I ask that you retain these traits. I'm particularly worried (this word is an understatement) about you all taking away her sexiness with a new splash, as this is the trend with Riot's recent art. I think sexiness meshes well with her deceptive and darkly charming nature, and simply adds to her intrigue as a Deceiver. While I own and love Ravenborn LeBlanc, I do not think it essentially captures who she is or who she should be as a base splash should. While RB LB has some sexiness regarding her large... ehem... assets, the charisma, polish, and status that she exudes in her current splash is not present.
Please IronStylus! If you have any influence over an upcoming LeBlanc visual and thematic overhaul, I beg that you would keep her magnificent charisma, polish, and skin-showing sexiness in a new base splash. I don't believe that sexualization is intrinsically bad. And I think that in the case of sly and charming LeBlanc, it's quite fitting.
you can dress sexy and be high-class. avoid thinking in cheap stereotypes like the 1st person who replied to the op other people.
Perso i like her model but i think the gold look a bit too engrave i would prefaire a plain surface (sorry for the bad english)
Wo know she look too much like her old texture but in a darker coleur