What if the Yeti of Nunu, The ursin, Fizz Tribe, Alistar Tribe and Ramus are Vastaya ?

Killaburn··13 votes·2,020 views

It make sense considering they are a chimeric beings specially voliber, alistar and ramus.

Then the Yeti also speaks . So what if in Nunu's VGU the yeti and him interact well and not just the " Don't make the Yeti angry " type :(

And about fizz, i think he is confirmed vastayan because of this, The Makara Tribe, the Carnevorous Ever-Smiling. Unless its another specie. the only thing that we need now is a confirmation from riot.

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/51/Vastaya_Lore_11.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20170427024517

So my theory is that there is another vastayan update. updating the left out vastayans and their herald maybe is Ramus/Voli/Nunu's VGU and I think the question mark in the image is the ursine's or maybe the ursins is the khonlui tribe, just a diff name because runeterra is vast and has many language (also volibear = rhinobear i think). Lastly, i think alistar's tribe is the Ottrani Tribe too, just my instict telling me that it is his tribe.

BONUS: Don't argue Trundle specie/tribe because they don't look chimeric to me/no animal features. We also need other species/race in LOL too you know. I'm just stating the obvious that the one's i mentioned above look very vastayan.

EDIT: Yes, Ali and Voli are not vastayan as riot says here but the remaining champs that i have said remains unknown at the moment. Another theory of mine is that, Alistar is a descendant of the vastayasha’rei. because as riot say's vastaya is a gene combine with human and vastayasha’rei and we don't know the descendants of the vastayasha’rei only so its possible. We might never know if Voli is too...

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Lady Faceless11 votes

The thing is it doesn't work like this. An example: Dolphins and whales looks like fishes, but they are mammals. You can't say they are fishes, since they don't share the traits of fishes (they don't lay eggs, they don't have gills but instead a lung, they have a constant body temperature which only have mammals or birds). Same goes for the mentioned champion.

Sharjo stated that Volibear is more a spirit/a force of natur and is by far too scare to be Vastayan. Nobody knows that Fizz people are and I don't think we will ever know. Also, the Makara Tribe is more crustacean class, as far we know. (People asked the same things, so Sharjo shared some more insight about this tribe) Xayah and Rakan do have taunts for Vastayan and we got a Vayasta Update. So if Nunu and Alistar don't have any taunt, it means they just aren't vayasta.

Ofc, you can call whales fishes, but it won't change the truth that they are mammals.

EZ123EZ1 votes

but they can just pull that out though, in short scrap what they said. you don't know the minds behind riot. like they did with pulsfire, they said that ulti skins will be unique but what did they do? PF cait. same with the map, they told that they won't release a map but in the recent ask riot, they told that they'll create some.

Lady Faceless1 votes

Ofc, I can only say that we know for the moment and ofc they could it rework again. However, Riot did a lot of world-building and I honest doubt that they gonna rework it again, especially since they probably defined the above mentioned non-vastayan as well.

But I don't work for Riot, it could always change.

SSmotzer1 votes

Well, Volibear became an avatar of storms, his people aren't a force of nature, they are just bears, bears that can talk, but still just bears.

Lady Faceless2 votes

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Well, Volibear became an avatar of storms, his people aren't a force of nature, they are just bears, bears that can talk, but still just bears.

"Volibear is more akin to a primal Freljordian nature spirit/force of nature."

Ofc, Volibear is the most important Ursine, but I'm pretty sure this works for all Ursine. Also, Sharjo hinted that the direction for th Ursine gonna be awesome. I kinda hyped tbh, Volibear has a lot of potential. We may also get Freljord update with the next champion, but nobody knows it for now.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Damn, I want a Makara champ so bad. Carnivorous, ever-smiling crustacean vastaya just sounds epic.

Lady Faceless1 votes

Same! However, noone knows if we ever get one...

Nickholas127 votes

Yeah. fizz pretty much vastaya make sense unlike the yordle cousin theory.

BananaKing724 votes

true. that theory was stupid. maybe people believe that because they don't know what specie fizz is in the past. but know i guess he is a vastaya

Killaburn1 votes

i couldn't agree more

Sharjo7 votes

None of them are vastaya sorry. The only vastaya we have in the game are Nami, Rengar, Wukong, Ahri, Xayah and Rakan.

Killaburn1 votes

its ok sharjo :D Its my fault too for expecting, assuming and theorizing without though rough researching a bit :( and a question for you, so in the article about the Q and A about vastaya, they said that the race itself was a product of vastayasha’rei and human. So what if there is like human to human is to vastayasha’rei to vastayasha’rei. In the article it said that there are even other creatures descended from the vastayasha’rei who are effectively unrelated to vastaya so i think there's a possibility of tribes consist of the vastayasha’rei descendants? Are they animal spirits? is there a possibility that they the anscestors( vastayasha’rei ) of fizz, yeti, rammus, alistar and specially volibear?

Sharjo1 votes

Definetly not Volibear, but other than that I'm not sure. The vastayashai'rei were effectively shapeshifting spirits, so anything's possible. The rule I subscribe to though is that the Vastayashai'rei are just one of many possible origins for some of Runeterra's inhabitants, so while the possibility does exist, there are always other ways of thinking about it. It's unfortunate that the vastayashai'rei aren't around anymore ti divulge more details.

Killaburn1 votes

OMG! i'am so curious as to what will volibear contribute in the lore/ will happen to him. And yes, Ali has the possibilities to have Vastayashai'rei origins. I wish vastayashai'rei still live around today to divulge more details. And as to fizz. what are your plans about him? Diff race? BTW, I just want to point out that, will kumungu jungles still be around? then Is zyra gonna have a new lore alongside nidalee?

Jonnyboy1006 votes

I pretty agree. they all look vastayan to me.

Nickholas122 votes

yeah me too

yay nibbers2 votes

I too agree that they look like animals.

SSmotzer5 votes

Well, the Vastaya are specifically offspring of Vasthayshai'rei that breed with humans, and have natural magic abilities.

Willump is just an animal. Rammus was just an animal.

Fizz, Alistar, Volibear, and the Yordles might be offspring of the Vasthayshai'rei that breed with other creatures. Although Fizz and the other Yordles might be from a different planet and they might have crashed on Runeterra during the invasion of the Watchers.

Yordles and Fizz aside, the Vasthayshai'rei could have breed with cows to produce the Minotaur, and bears to produce the Ursin. Although the Ursin might just be normal bears who have developed sapience through natural means. Nothing about them is inherently magic.

EZ123EZ1 votes

nice

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

We don't know yet what Rammus truly is. In his bio, it gets said that there are several myths about his origin. He could be an animal transformed by magic. But he could be an ancient god as well.

I guess we have to wait for his VGU to see what he will turn out like. Maybe even not then.

Profetul1 votes

ehhhm. so thunder created by volibear isn't magic?

SSmotzer2 votes

Only Volibear can do that. He went into the eternal storm and became an avatar of it. His people are still bears, talking bears, but still just bears.

Profetul2 votes

so what if all ursines can do that in volibears VGU and make him a vastaya?

SSmotzer1 votes

I think if there was a warrior race who can control the weather and channel lightning, I think they we be the rulers of the planet by now. A small group of them would be able to just keep rain from falling on anyone who opposes them, starving them to extinction or subjugation.

So if they change everything about the ursin, and Volibear, I suppose he could be a vastaya, but I think Riot is trying to make this world seem like it is alive, and making everything a single race and related to humans seems kinda boring and lifeless.

UnboundHades5 votes

Why do u people want riot to take the easy way out instead of giving good detailed lore?

Peatmanro4 votes

I support this theory cause it makes sense.

You deserve my Upvote :D

Killaburn1 votes

thank you

GreenLore4 votes

The thing is: We have a site specifically for the Vastaya. http://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/race/vastaya/

If any of these champs were vastaya then why would riot leave them out of the site?

Factions also list all their champions regardless if they have already an updated lore or not,so there is no reason why the vastaya site should be different in that regard.

These champs might be related to Vastaya,but they are definetly not vastaya themselves.

UnboundHades3 votes

Riot confirmed Ali wasn't a vastya

Killaburn1 votes

source?

UnboundHades1 votes

I would but currently on my phone during a business trip

Killaburn1 votes

ok. i see the source now but what if alistar's ancestor is a vastayasha’rei. they said that

There are many types of magical creatures. Many have no connection with the vastaya or vastayasha’rei (the proto-vastaya). There are even other creatures descended from the vastayasha’rei who are effectively unrelated to vastaya. Vastaya have a human ancestor and a vastayasha’rei ancestor. There is a logic underlying most of these creatures, but having a similar system ≠ similar species.

so ali can be a descendant of the vastayasha’rei. because as riot say's vastaya is a gene combine with human and vastayasha’rei. so its possible.

Lady Faceless2 votes

Sure, Minotaur could be have vastayasha’rei ancestor, but a) it still wouldn't make them vastayan 'cause as an example all mammals have the same ancestor, but it is kinda difficult to compare a mice to a fox today even if they share the same ancestor and b) my source literally says "likely evolved seperate from the vastaya". That sounds a lot like that they have a different ancestor.

Most important, expect from Fizz, none of this champion would get any benefits being a vastayan. They all have their tribes and places, only Fizz suffers from having no connection.

In the end, everyone has their theories and that's fine. However, if you don't have any source or evidence to back it up, it is kinda useless to post it here, since you see how easily a not on evidence built theory can be debunked.

EZ123EZ3 votes

its completely non-sense if they'll make a new specie but out cast the ones that totally fit in race (Alistar,Voli,Fizz and Rammus)

UnboundHades1 votes

It's like u didn't read any other comments

EZ123EZ2 votes

its like you've misinterpret my comment. Yeah I know they are diff species as some pips here are saying but those champs that i've mentioned above really do look vastayan. And it's so stupid if they are not vastayan. Nothing would even change if they are vastayan too because there are diff kinds of vastaya but make them other race seems unnecessary. I hope you got my point.

UnboundHades1 votes

So u didn't read the comments explaining why they aren't vastayan

Killaburn2 votes

i get the point of EZ123EZ, I think he indeed read the comments that they are not vastayan by some people that commented here. But his point is that, why need to create a race when you don't add those tribes that fit in that specific race(vastaya) like those champs that i have mentioned above. And its a nice point too. I hope riot consider them imo

UnboundHades1 votes

Imo vastaya was just a get out of jail free card for riot so they could explain the existence of champs while making others make no.sense like wtf is Nid even suppose to be anymore. While they could of given each champ their own unique lore instead of ,well this race exist now get over it

SSmotzer1 votes

Nothing about a whale or a dolphin would really change if they were fish, but they aren't.

Even creatures on different evolutionary trees can wind up on similar paths. I'm looking at you platypus; duck bill havin', beaver assed, poison barbed, milk sweating weirdos.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

They are not Vastayan. Rioters have repeatedly mentioned this at this point (regarding Volibear Alistar and Fizz specifically). On top of that, Xayah has a unique taunts for when she kills Vastayans https://youtu.be/Y7u0BeSHYFQ?t=4m27s

If they do not trigger that taunt, they are not Vastaya. Even if Riot was going to wait to do a second Vastaya update, they would at least trigger that taunt when Xayah kills them until then.

EZ123EZ1 votes

source? i think they left that out tbh because they have VGU's in the future.

Sharjo2 votes

Nope not this time; riot specifically decided who among the cast was vastayan and updated their lore to ensure there were no questions like this thread proposes. If they weren't updated to be vastaya, then they aren't vastaya.

Tesla Effect2 votes

They were officially stated to not be Vastaya.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Is prefer they not be Vastaya. There's so much potential for diversity here, and interesting inter-species* relations and conflict. It would be a shame if we just went the "all magical animal-like beings are Vastaya" route.

It also seems like Vastaya are (exclusively?) native to Ionia.

*I know Vastaya are more of a phylum/class/family (not sure exactly what level of classification they are) than a species, but the point remains.

Lady Faceless2 votes

It also seems like Vastaya are (exclusively?) native to Ionia.

Actually no, Rengar lives somethere in east-Shurima, if I recall it correctly and Nami's tribe is located not far from Mount Targon. Ionia just have a lot of natural magic, so of course Vastaya would love this place since they need it as we need water.

Krabohod1 votes

I'm pretty sure Rammus is more God-type creature or very very old Ascended

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