Is Riven evil?

Rathar Dashing··2 votes·627 views

Genuinely curious what people think. Not really sure how its meant to be interpreted, since she did love Noxus, until they tried killing her. Her lore says she wants to restore her vision of Noxus, but does that mean she wants to make it a great, powerful and honorable nation, similar to Demacia, or does she want to go off on her own and side with another nation? What do you guys think?

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GreenLore2 votes

Honestly I think at this point it is pretty hard to judge her. She was hungry for battle and glory in the war,which is a rather dark motivation,but she didn't like killing helpless people.

And we barely have any lore on her after she left Noxus,not to mention that her retcon could greatly alter her character anyway.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

That's what I was really looking for, how people felt about her post-exile. Pretty sure she was evil before she went to war, but then when she saw how Noxus did things she might have had a change of heart.

GreenLore1 votes

Personally I think that she'd lean more towards neutral after her exile,with her sometimes leaning more towards good and othertimes more towards evil.

Though I feel like a redemption arc where Riven gradually turns good(though not necessarily nice) would suit her best.

She kinda reminds me of the hound from game of thrones.

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Never seen GoT.

Though a redemption arc where Riven eventually sides with Ionia or Demacia (or even Piltover/Bandle City) would be cool.

LordHippoman2 votes

Riven's whole crisis of faith/breakdown was caused by realizing that what she was waving the banner for was an empire that said "You can be great and powerful if you fight for us" and then launched chemical nukes at their own troops.

Not much of an opportunity to climb the ranks through honor and bravery if you're dissolved in Singed-goop because you were used as cannon fodder.

I've always taken Riven's motivation as a desire to try and destroy the internal scheming and backstabbing that seems rampant in the Noxian leadership, as well as some of their more unpleasant practices (what with the friendly fire and all). However, the new Lore updates do put a bit of that into Swain, so I'm curious as to how she feels about that, or if they'll change her motivations.

Roren from LAS1 votes

I think, deep in her heart and soul, she's not evil, she didn't know they sent her to exterminate(and probably kill her/let her die in there, idk, seems fishy what happened...i feel like the puppet master who did this knew Riven was different than others Noxians, such as Darius, and she could turn against them soon, so to prevent any troubles from her, they did it before it happened) and no to reform Ionia, but she seems to like battling with someone strong for glory, sounds a bit like Garen

If you listen to what she says, she doesn't sound like an evil person, "So much death.", "For those who were lost.", "To serve the greater good." , "My hands are stained.", she does like Noxus, but the methods they used...she doesn't approve them

"She carried out the orders of her superiors, terminating the remnants of a beaten and fractured enemy with extreme prejudice." Riven shouldn't have done this and i think she knows it, I wish she wouldn't have done it, so that could be the reason why Singed bombed them, but it wasn't like that So i think she has a mix of evil and good, but she seems to go to the good zone

"Once a leader in the warhosts of Noxus, Riven is an expatriate in a land she previously tried to conquer." She's living in Ionia, alone? Yasuo? Can't wait to hear more from her Riven item 3681

BTW, i hope Riot updates her lore and classic skin soon + cinematic about what happened to see HOW it happened and what is she doing after the exile Oh and i can't vote, i click on Vote and the page just reloads

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Pretty sure Yasuo's trying to hunt down and kill Riven because she's the one who killed his master, and the reason he's exiled, and the reason he had to kill his own brother.

Roren from LAS1 votes

Why people keeps accusing her with no proofs? You are like the people who framed Yasuo He doesn't seem to want such thing, he just talks to her, he doesn't even mention a thing about that... He knows how it feels to be accused just because "it looks like it was you" The reaction he has towards her is surprise, he wants to talk to her for now

Rathar Dashing1 votes

It makes perfect sense that Riven would be responsible for Yasuo's master's death, their bios perfectly align story wise. Riven was slaughtering ionians with wind techniques, Yasuo's master was killed by one. Additionally, Yasuo and Riven link to each other on the official site. Also, Yasuo comments on Riven's Ultimate, asking her where she learned "that technique" Literally the only other "wind techniques" we know about are Janna, and maybe Galio. Not only would neither of those make any sense, I highly doubt the people of Yasuo's village would refer to that as the same kind of wind technique. As we learn from Yasuo's lore, Yasuo was the only person in his generation to master the legendary wind technique. This leaves only Riven and Yasuo as potential killers. And if it wasn't Yasuo, then it must be Riven.

Yasuo also "knew the assassin would go unpunished if he did not act" which I took to mean he would enact vengeance himself. No where in the rest of his bio does his attitude toward finding the killer change, in fact as soon as he finds out it was a wind user, he uses this clue to swear an oath to find him/her. I'm sure Yasuo will look at all the evidence before deciding(trying) to kill Riven, but from what I can gather Riven is the real killer, as remorseful as she may be.

Roren from LAS1 votes

Like i said, there are 0 proofs in all you said, you can't say someone is guilty just because "who else could it be", like Yone said Right now she's a suspect, no more no less, she can't become guilty if it's not proven What if the guilty is someone we just don't know? Haven't you ever thought about that instead of framing Riven? I think something like this happend with Rengar, his lore said about some void monster and there were a lot of people saying it was Cho'Gath, but it was Kha'zix Also her lore says she was in the battlefield with her unit, right? Riven doesn't match the type to do the job of kill someone and leave without no one see her, that sounds exactly like a stealth assasin and she's a fighter bruiser

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Riven's lore links to Yasuo's, Yasuo's lore links to Riven's. I agree right now she's only a suspect, but she's also the only suspect. It's possible the real killer is someone we haven't seen yet, but that's highly unlikely, and until riot confirms this I'm gonna keep believing the most sensible story.

If you can explain to me why the lores link to each other, then I might change my mind.

Roren from LAS1 votes

Not sure what i need to explain, Yasuo has an interaction with her, they both have similar techniques, she was in the war against Ionia and now she's there Riven isn't mentioned in Yasuo's lore and viceversa, just linked like Varus before they changed him I can't believe in things that are not proven yet, it's not fair to say someone is guilty without proofs Not sure why you say it's highly unlikely, i told you about Rengar, Cho'Gath and Kha'Zix The case still open until the proofs shows up to tell us who did it We have nothing solid to say it was her

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