Lore Question: How Strong is Janna?

Support Boyyy··4 votes·1,550 views

What with the new lore update for Janna she has transformed from a, more or less, simple air sorceress to an elemental spirit of air whose "Armed with the power of Runeterra’s gales" and "watch(es) over Runeterra’s oceans." So obviously she has become a much more powerful entity within the League of Legends universe, but how powerful is she? Please remember I'm talking about the lore of the universe and not about her in game.

When it comes to power there is no doubt that Aurelion Sol is arguably the most powerful thing in their universe, but what about the rest of the champions? Well the weakest champions in the lore would be one's like Garen and Draven who, although are powerful in game, have no real special abilities in the lore. Following them would be champions who have magical qualities or unnatural powers such as Evelynn, Lux, and Leblanc for example. After that would be champions who have abilities beyond just simple magic and are extremely powerful but not enough to the point that they're invincible, such as Brand, Vel'Koz, and Diana. The strongest of all would be the champions who are just one step away from godhood or are already gods in their own right, a few of them being Lissandra, Ryze, and Aurelion Sol as stated above. Simply, we could name these categories as Weak, Average, Powerful, and Divine. So where does Janna fit into all of this?

Well in the original lore she was a wind mage putting her at Average power level but has since then been essentially upgraded into a spirit which puts her at Powerful status. But, of course, all power comes from somewhere, and that applies to Janna to. Janna was created out of the prayers of sailors and other seafarers, the more they believed in her the more powerful she grew. So right now in the lore she's at Powerful status but lets say, hypothetically, that she grew more powerful. She's already basically worshipped in both Zaun and Piltover so it's safe to say she draws most of her power from there but, she was created from the prayers of sailors and if there is anywhere in Runeterra a sailor is sure to be found it's in Bilgewater, along with pirates who are also a type of seafarer. Lets say that all of Bilgewater started to worship her, obviously she would grow more powerful, but lets take this a step further and say that at least majority or 51% of Runeterra began worshipping her. She still probably wouldn't be strong enough to face Sol in a fight, but what if she were to face Lissandra or Ryze in a fight, with that many belivers, would she be powerful enough to defeat them in a battle? Please feel free to provide your own opinions and hypotheticals.

Sidenote, Janna's powers aren't all benevolent in the lore as she has been known to summon powerful storms and tempests to punish those with ill intent.

24 Comments

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

Even without people worshipping her... I highly doubt that someone (Mortal) would be able to defeat her, since she is an elemental spirit, and i have no idea how do you defeat an elemental spirit that must be inmortal... I mean, What happens if you defeat her? Air would stop flowing in the world and everyone would die? After all... she is like a force of nature or something.

Support Boyyy1 votes

I didn't even think of that, but that's a great point, thanks

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

The only way to defeat her I can think of is by vanishing every believe in her. Difficult, but not impossible.

Sir Poodle1 votes

That's the only way to kill her. Defeating her I imagine to be substantially easier, if very difficult.

Also, air flowed before Janna. I think it would just no longer flow with purpose.

Tiniest Turtle2 votes

Actually, Kindred are the most powerful entity in the league universe. They're death. Plain and simple. No living thing could realistically defeat them in the universe.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Actually, Kindred are the most powerful entity in the league universe. They're death. Plain and simple. No living thing could realistically defeat them in the universe.

But... Can Janna be actually considered a living being? Technically, spirits arent alive

Tiniest Turtle1 votes

"If it draws breath, it meets us" Guess we just need to know if Janna breathes.

TheHappyReaperz2 votes

But, we have quite a few people in the League Universe, that aren't alive, or can't die. Things like Fiddlesticks and Nocturne. Neither exist in the same way as a living being, and neither can be killed. And then you have someone like Yorick, who refused to die, instead staying "alive", to fight the Mist. Beyond that, you have things like Nagakabouros, Illoai's god, which exists in a higher plane of existence than most of the champions in Runeterra.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Hypothetically, Kindred got defeated by every single undead champion in the game. Amumu Hecarim Kalista Karthus Mordekaiser Sion Thresh Urgot

Tiniest Turtle2 votes

Not necessarily forever though.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

All we know is that they are defeating Kindred every single day they are not dying. As long as they don't do in the lore, we have to assume they are superior to Kindred. ^^

Tiniest Turtle1 votes

Sun dies out or supernova's eventually or whatever world ending disaster vaporizes them however long down the line. Bam. Kindred wins in the end.

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

Then it actually is a draw. Kindred are the representation of death in valoran culture. It is the same concept that empowers Janna. She is a natural force, but the concept of Janna does just exist as long as there are people believing in her.

So if the supernova vaporizes everyone in Valoran, the concept Kindred dies along with all the people who believed in their concept. No one wins in that situation.

Tiniest Turtle1 votes

In the spotlight it said they're the manifestation of death, not a thought form like Janna. They appear differently and have been represented differently in valoran culture, but I don't remember them being born of it. They're the grim reaper, so being out of things to kill would put them out of a job, but out of existence? I dunno. Anyways death dying is sort of a victory for death so... Kindred -1 point for dying but + 1 point for ultimate death = 0 Everyone else, - 1 point for dying = - 1. Imma say Kindred wins. I did the math.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

You say ultimate death, but is it really ultimate death? Let's say the supernova destroyed Runeterra and every living (and undead) being on it. What about that guy: Bard

We don't even know what Bard exactly is. Right now it seems he is a natural force just like Kindred, not a living being. We don't know if he can die at all. So if he can't, that means that even if every being capable of dying is dead... Bard isn't.

See, all I want to say is that it isn't that clear that Kindred is the strongest being in the game. It depends how you interpret the stuff we know about.

In your interpretation, Kindred seems to be the end of everything, the strongest in the universe. That doesn't have to apply to everyone, though. In my interpretation, undead beings and natural forces like Bard are defeating Kindred by nature.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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You say ultimate death, but is it really ultimate death? Let's say the supernova destroyed Runeterra and every living (and undead) being on it. What about that guy: Bard

We don't even know what Bard exactly is. Right now it seems he is a natural force just like Kindred, not a living being. We don't know if he can die at all. So if he can't, that means that even if every being capable of dying is dead... Bard isn't.

See, all I want to say is that it isn't that clear that Kindred is the strongest being in the game. It depends how you interpret the stuff we know about.

In your interpretation, Kindred seems to be the end of everything, the strongest in the universe. That doesn't have to apply to everyone, though. In my interpretation, undead beings and natural forces like Bard are defeating Kindred by nature.

Actually, Riot said that all the champions can die, including Bard.

Mogarl1 votes

To be fair Aurelion has a quote for Kindred, and calls them Kindred.

Hovering Hentai1 votes

She's the personification of death on Runeterra, it's unknown how she would fare against the celestials or some of the high ranking voidborn

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

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She's the personification of death on Runeterra, it's unknown how she would fare against the celestials or some of the high ranking voidborn

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Hovering Hentai1 votes

Ah correction of grammar, the last resort of those unable to construct a competent argument.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

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Ah correction of grammar, the last resort of those unable to construct a competent argument.

What are you talking about? Do you want an argument about what?

Im not making a corrrection of grammar, in fact, I can actually agree with what you said... BUT, Im pointing out that Kindred is a dual entity conformed by a "male creature" and a "female" one... So, They cant be called "She" as you said. Is a common misconception to think that Lamb is Kindred as a whole, but she isnt.

Mogarl1 votes

Are they death, or are they just a spirit of death? Janna is a wind spirit empowered by human's belief in "Janna". Kindred could easily just be a death spirit empowered by human's belief in the Kindred. If Humans stopped dying then the Kindred would fade just like Janna had started to fade. Shadow Isles > Kindred

Hovering Hentai1 votes

The way I see it Janna's power comes from belief and is similar to how devotion works in Magic the Gathering where the Gods of Theros work off a mechanic called Devotion, the more recognition and worship they are given the stronger they become

é boi1 votes

To answer the question in the title. The stronger the people believe in her that she's real, the more powerful she'll be. Remember in Janna's lore, when people starting to not believe that she was real, she was weak. She didn't have enough power to transform into a bird, if she did she'd have to rest for a moment. But, when they starting believe in her again, she regained her power. Janna

I didn't bother to read the whole 3 paragraphs, too lazy.

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