All 3 of these items give +Heal And Shield Power, with Ardent Censor and Redemption giving +10% and Mikael's Crucible giving +20%. My only question is; how much is Heal And Shield Power even worth?
Is 10% Heal And Shield Power equal to 30 AP or like what? It's not really explained and sometimes I wonder if I should just build AP so I know exactly what I'm getting when I play support. Does anybody know how much AP it's equal to?
Technically, it would be equivalent to some amount of AP, depending on the AP ratio of the shield/heal. A 10% increase affects the base value, so increasing the shield by the same amount with only AP might get to be a bit difficult.
I'll use Janna as an example. At rank 5, her shield is 210 + 70% AP. If she has 100 AP, she will shield for 280. A 10% increase on that is 28, resulting in a 308 shield. In order to increase the shield by the same amount, she would need 40 AP. That doesn't sound too bad, but what happens when she has more AP?
I made a couple of handy graphs in Excel to help me. I figured supports don't get too much AP, so I ran the numbers out to 350 AP in increments of 10 AP. It's easy to show how big Janna's shield would get with just the AP bonus (270+.7AP) and then to add a 10% or 40% bonus to that to replicate the items (total1.1 or 1.4 respectively).
With that, I found Janna's shield can get up to 515 with 350 AP, 566 with 350 AP and 10% boost, and 721 with 350 AP and 40% boost. And no, I didn't bother looking at items to see if it was possible to get 350 AP (or more) with a reasonable support build. Overall, these numbers aren't surprising, since they're just 10% and 40% higher, respectively. What is interesting is the question OP asks, "what is the AP equivalent?"
I was able to determine how much extra AP Janna would need to hit the same shield amount ( ((total-270)/.7)-AP ) and got some interesting numbers. a 10% boost is equivalent to 38.5 - 73.5 depending on AP. This means that Janna with 0 AP and one support item that grants a shield increase shields for the same amount a Janna with 38 AP shields for. A Janna with 350 AP and a supporty item shields for the same amount a Janna with 423.5 AP shields for.
The difference becomes even more with all three items. A Janna with all three gains 154 - 294 equivalent AP, resulting in a shield of equivalent strength to a Janna with 594 AP.
Granted, this only affects shield strength and heal amount. A Janna with 594 AP would also be providing additional damage and a greater amount of utility (shield grants more AD, slow slows more, etc). The flip side is these items don't just give Janna a shield/heal boost, but also provide additional effects, such as increasing the attack speed of her shield target, etc.
Its not equal to a set amount of ap it increases the heal and shield by 10%
They stack additively. However, if you have the Revitalize rune, that stacks multiplicatively.
In other words, if you have all 3 items and Revitalize, the result will be:
1.05 * 1.4 = 1.47 times the base heal.
It's an interesting stat.
As for how Heals /Shields compare to AP:
Generally, heals/shields stronger than an AP build at a full build slightly (around 10-15% more shields/heals).
HOWEVER:
-Most have move speed bonuses and damage that also scale with AP, so going a no AP build results in them overall being weaker, less useful, so in the intention of not being a feeder, AP is more viable.
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conflicts with on passives, yet on an AP build with generally adds huge, consistent heals to champs like who rotate damage to heal.
- 's potential double heal scales off of AP in the ratio by which it increases per bounce, so a low/no AP build will take heal deficits on the 3rd/2nd bounce, so it's important to consider that Nami does better with AP than from items that have none. Furthermore, her W can double proc
It buffs the total heal and shield by a percentage, so the ratio and the base shield go up by 10%. Its difficult to call it equal to "some amount of AP", because it changes depending on how much AP you have and how big the base damage of your shield is.
If you want to get biggest shields, I think Censer is the best first item because it buffs the AP and the shield by a hefty amount.
This is probably false for supports that have shields that do not scale from AP, but the only examples I can think of this are Taric and Thresh, but Taric's Heal scales quite nicely with AP. Thresh's shield scales only with the amount of souls he has. There are probably some other examples that I didn't mention but can't immediately recall.
Redemption heal also does not scale with AP but its heal benefits from Shield / Heal power.
I think if your solely looking for biggest shields possible on say a Karma, a combination of AP + shield / heal power accomplishes this, although this is more expensive then just going solely heal / shield power.
what it is is lterally ermm lets say a janna shield shields for 100 damage with a 10% shield increase it would increase the shield for 110 instead as 100 increaseed by 10% is 110 .. so basically the shield is the total shield you see normally increased by the % of the shield so a shield which could be 350 (+150) increased by 40% using them items becomes 700
In terms of pure gold value, 10% healing and shielding power is worth 354.17 gold (based on Forbidden Idol), so in that sense it would be worth about 16.3 AP. However, in terms of scaling with shields and heals, there is no real universal benchmark, since every one of those effects in-game has different base values and scaling. Janna's E shield has a base value of 210 at rank 5, and a 70% AP scaling, for example, whereas Sona's shield/heal combo has a rank 5 base of 235, with a 55% AP scaling: Janna therefore scales a little better with AP than Sona, whose protection scales better with heal/shield power than Janna.
With 10% heal/shield power, those effects have their values increase by 21 and 23.5 respectively, which would be equivalent to building 30 and about 43 AP (also respectively), so in either case it's way more efficient to go for heal/shielding power than for direct AP if your goal is to apply defensive utility. Bear in mind the two stats also multiply each other on those abilities, so an item like Ardent Censer increases the value of all subsequent heal/shield power items via its AP. In any case, though, there isn't really any choice, because stacking AP is generally too expensive for supports, who lack real AP utility options outside of Censer. Some more mage-y supports like Morgana might go for one full AP item, but unless you're a full-on mage like Brand or Zyra, if you want to support, healing and shielding power is going to be pretty much the only truly valid choice you'll have.
My question is do they stack?
wtf, do you even understand what "%" means? How can a thread like this even get upvoted, is that some terrible joke? <.<
+1% Heal and Shield power is equal to a 1% increase in Healing and Shielding power.
Quick maths lol. It's dependent on the individual heal or shield in question and even then I'd rather not calculate any of them because it increases both the base and the AP/health/AD/etc. ratio on the ability.
It's pretty easy to see though that for instance a 300 shield (+20% AP) would benefit alot more from heal and shield power rather than AP.
All depends on the skill in question.
I can leave you this handy gold value thing if you want to determine which is more worth though.
1% Heal and Shield Power = 4.427g 1 AP = 1.0875g
I mean just from this you can already tell that in almost all cases H&S > AP.
