@ Riot, Whenever You Get Around to Rebuilding Veigar's Lore

A Superb Villain··33 votes·4,622 views
Veigar | League of Legends

Every now and again, however, a yordle turns so bad that even at its small stature it strikes terror into the hearts of others. Veigar is one such twisted yordle. As a master of the magical black arts, as well as a corrupter of cosmic energy, he is** one of the most powerful sorcerers on Valoran**.

It is established that Veigar is legitimately terrifying. It is canon that among Runeterra's myriad manipulators of magic, Vegiar is one of the greatest.

Sometimes I feel that comedic principles overshadow Veigar's character, and let's be honest, it is all good fun. We like the villain no one takes seriously. We may roll our eyes when the evil antagonist shakes a fist and promises revenge against those who foiled them, but a part of us loves that they lived to fight another day.

While I believe this is all very important to Veigar's concept, it swings too far towards ineffectual. It's not that we think The Tiny Master of Evil is pathetic, we are shown his lack of competence without anything to counterbalance his failings. The most Veigar has ever accomplished is steal some balloons, horseshoes, and string. Adding insult to injury, his attempt to steal the Mothership was largely ignored; no one even bothered to stop him from trying. His attempt at theft was stopped by a flock of geese.

A group of birds put a stop to his plans. How sad is that? The problem practically resolved itself.

I suppose my fear is that all anyone sees when they look at Veigar is a clown with a big hat and a mind too small for any real evil. He's a joke, a fool. We laugh because in spite of any frightening potential he may have, we know he'll never succeed. What chance does a four foot tall cat in a hat have to be a real villain?

Instead of returning to his people and Bandle City, he sought tutelage from dark wizards across the land. With his demented will focused on one task, he quickly became a dangerous and powerful wizard in his own right. Now he seeks to end all conflict on Valoran by bringing all of the city-states to their knees, regardless of their affiliation.

Funny as he may be, Veigar is not in his right mind. He is insane and sadistic, a volatile combination exacerbated by a mastery of potent magic. The Tiny Master of Evil suffered serious trauma and abuse for an indeterminate amount of time. Hearing him scream about swallowing souls in a squeaky voice gives us a good chuckle, and it is very easy to forget Veigar is dead serious. He wants to devour souls, he wants destroy minds, he wants to crush the entire world beneath his sabatons.

Veigar is a psychological mess, and exceedingly violent. Most disturbing of all, he has the power to make his dreams a reality. How shocking is that? The Tiny Master of Evil did not just search the world for dangerous and powerful wizards, he mastered their craft.

Imagine if you will someone who is mentally unstable. Now give them a knife. Seems like a bad idea, right? Now give them a weapon of mass destruction instead. The phrase "worst case scenario" comes to mind, doesn't it?

That is Veigar.

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Please keep in mind, no matter how funny we may find a walking hat with a short temper, he is still a horrifying tragedy that will obliterate your soul at the slightest provocation.

It's late, I'm tired. Please, Riot, don't make Veigar the butt of Runeterra's jokes.

67 Comments

Trylobyte15 votes

In other words, a little more Kefka, a little less Wile E. Coyote.

Void Nargacuga7 votes

This is strangely a great analogy using two characters. One from FF6 (Kefka Palazzo who: REALLY DID TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND BECAME A GOD OF MAGIC! In that game and he was absolutely insane.), and one from a classic cartoon (Wile E. Coyote... If you don't know who this is I don't know what to say.)

TeCoolMage6 votes

Isn't he that guy who chases a roadrunner? I always knew him as just that coyote guy cus I was too young to memorise his full name

A Superb Villain4 votes

Yes, please. Kefka was pretty hammy, and a had a great laugh, but at the end of the day he still destroyed the world and became a physical god.

I mean, Final Boss Veigar shares lines with him!

"The end draws near. . ."

Void Nargacuga5 votes

He shares multiple lines from Kefka. And they are all so fitting.

"Run! Run! Or you'll be well done!" - Kefka "I will create a monument to nonexistence!" - Kefka "I'll... remember... this..." - Kefka "I am all-powerful!" - Kefka

Including that one: 5 references to direct quotes of FF6's Kefka! http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/0/04/DissidiaKefkaArtwork.png/revision/latest?cb=20121102163945

ITS TIME FOR Veigar's TURN TO SHOW THEM WHO REALLY IS THE FINAL BOSS!

Melledoneus8 votes

If it makes you feel any better, I was writing my story and mentioned that Bandle City was under siege by a self-proclaimed "Master of Evil" who lifted the entire city into the air, declared himself ruler, and incinerated anybody who dared even look at him funny, leaving Yorick to deal with horrified, screaming yordle souls.

And no, it wasn't Teemo.

A Superb Villain3 votes

Huzzah!

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Poor Ole Yorick be like "there, there, 'tsall right."

Ralanr8 votes

I'm still waiting on when they'll tell us what Yordles are now. I feel that's pretty important!

A Superb Villain5 votes

I just hope any changes they have planned do not conflict with Veigar's previously established lore. The most recent developments have left things in quite a state of confusion; we have no idea if Poppy is an exception or the norm, whether or not Yordles are seldom seen to the point of becoming myth, or are mundane, like Heimerdinger, to the point of being consulted on a daily basis.

GreenLore6 votes

Overall I imagine that Veigars character story should kinda go like this: 1.Some really awful tries at being evil,that are easily thwarted(like the balloon-mothership incident) 2.People don't take Veigar seriously 3.This gives veigar the time to figure his stuff out,causing him to actually become a dangerous threat. 4...... 5.profit

That would kinda mirror his gameplay,where he starts weak and not too serious,but if you don't take him seriously early on,he'll destroy you in the late game.

A Superb Villain10 votes

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That would kinda mirror his gameplay,where he starts weak and not too serious,but if you don't take him seriously early on,he'll destroy you in the late game.

This is why I consider Veigar to be one of the best designed champions in regards to thematics. His kit is not exactly the most inspired, and far from the best example of balanced, but Riot positively nailed how it feels to be Veigar.

It is frustrating to know damn near everyone will have a much easier time in lane than you. You will be bullied, if they have any sense in them, but given enough time, and assuming they do not build defensively, revenge is a matter of when, not if.

Heavens above, does it feel satisfying to pop an idiotic Zed who has been spamming /laugh all game long.

crippler386 votes

as long as they make lulu and viegar cannon.

We need more cannon pairings especially after they got rid of gangplank and missfortune WORST CHANGE EVER!

that and jinco needs to be a thing

macromite2 votes

we need less cannon pairings. valoran is more than just champions, and most champions don't have the time to court each other anyway.

Baron of Bread1 votes

There is about 3 canon pairings that are in the lore already. Trynd/Ashe, Garen/Katarina (not actually together), GP/Illoai (broke up). I don't think there is anything else confirmed by the stuff Riot has released.

macromite1 votes

the garen kat pairing is stupid specifically. they would never meet, and if they did they wouldn't meet on friendly enough terms to fall for the other.

Marbelara4 votes

That they would never meet - I strongly disagree. Take into consideration the moment when amongst the demacian/noxian fodder, two worthy opponents meet, and promptly decide to duel. Or two head scientists of Zaun and Piltover put each other's studies to the test. It's both a matter of pride, for them, and morale, for the ones who surround them and look up to them. At this high of a rank (legend of country), sooner or later, they'd meet each other.

macromite1 votes

I could spend some time trying to honestly explain why this matchup is stupid, but its stupid for reasons similar to that of mf/gp. they are against each other at the very end, and nothing can stop that.

Marbelara2 votes

Can you, instead of criticizing the pairings that exist, tell us what you'd like to see in a LoL pairing that you'd actually like?

I can guess for sure that you dislike overly dramatic and convoulted pairings and when people who clearly don't have time for romance attempt it. Perhaps you'd rather have things simple and more probable, and firmly estabilished rather than hinted at in snippets and easter eggs. You also don't believe in the whole 'love overruns your basic principles and makes you desert your nations, people and ideals' bullshit.

Leap of logic: You'd rather like a champion who has the time for a meaningful relationship to ship with another Champ or NPC who has the time for it, and have them share basic principles, or at least have the ability to align/compare their principles without two nations going kaboom over it. And then you'd like to have some insight into the relationship and see them both making an effort to maintain it, while still getting the big picture of them doing their job effectively.

I admit that there's a lack of these relationships around. Well, Lucian and Senna's relationship was largely like that, but then Thresh came along and it got complicated. Gangplank/Illaoi was also a working thing until their growing differences broke the relationship apart. These are some examples I can see you at least agreeing with, and neither held on long enough for us to see in canon, only in mentions.

Or, you just don't like shipping.

macromite2 votes

ok, let me tell you why there are no more good pairing in all of league of legends.

Aatrox he is a darkin and should never get paired with anyone

Ahri ahri is a fox that steals life energy and should never get paired due to that

Akali akali is a ninja that consistently goes on dangerous missions, she would not have time between training and fighting, and the contact could jeopardize her life.

Alistar He could get paired, but only with those of his own kind.

Amumu undead, no reason for love, also lonelyness curse.

Anivia giant bird, no reason to love anyone else.

Annie little girl, maybe later in her life, but not right now.

Ashe with trynd for political reasons.

Azir is ascended, love is pretty much out at this point

Bard is a celestial being, love is pretty much out here.

Blitzcrank is a robot, but I'm pretty sure he has feelings. probably could get a zaunite or a piltie, but it would not be easy for him.

Brand elemental monster, no love here.

Braum he could probably be with just about anyone he wants, but none of the female champions from his country are both on the side of avarosa and also braums style of person. so put him together with a random.

Caitlyn police work is hard, and time consuming, but she could probably fit the time in to have a relationship. however, due to time constraints, her relationship would need to be with someone that had more time than her, so no cait jayce.

Cassiopeia she is cursed I think, so its likely she will never get a true relationship again.

Chogath void monster, no relationships

Corki he is very old, and its likely he has already married, but its also likely that he never married and he never will due to lifestyle.

Darius he is an important figurehead in noxus, and he probably has more important things to do than look for a girl, or care for one.

Diana diana is scorned, and is pretty much barred from her home due to this and murder. she has more important things to worry about at this point.

DrMundo mundo is insane, insane people often do not find love.

Draven draven is too egotistical to actually find anyone other than himself worth his time. maybe a good pair with a mirror.

Ekko ekko is a good zaunite, and he had a crush on jinx i think, or something like that, but he lost it because she went nuts. probably a good fit for a random zaunite though.

Elise she murders lots of people to stay young forever, love is lost for her.

Evelynn I don't even know, and neither does anyone else.

Ezreal is in a relationship with lux.

Fiddlesticks I'm not even sure he exists in valoran anywhere, doesn't matter though.

Fiora focused on rebuilding her family name, might marry for political reasons, maybe even garen/fiora or jarvan/fiora, but its not likely.

Fizz he is a fish, and his kind is gone, relationships are highly unlikely.

Galio he is a gargoyle, no status here

Gangplank currently rebuilding himself, he could have before it all started but not now.

Garen an active military person, he could find the time, but he would be pressured to go for a demacian, he is supposed to be a role model there.

Gnar he's too young, maybe later in his life, but the rage gene might also get in the way.

Gragas maybe, but unlikely with a champion. probably with a random.

Graves not now, but probably with a random.

Hecarim undead, love is gone.

Heimerdinger doesn't have time really, maybe with a random yordle.

Illaoi only sees the strength in people, which is unfortunate, because she is stronger than most people

Irelia maybe with a random.

Janna free spirired and a wanderer, if she wasn't already in a relationship with a random i would say that she could be with just about anyone on this list.

JarvanIV probably with someone for political reasons, so i could see him with a champion.

Jax before the league he was a nobody. so in this lore he is a nobody. with a random

Jayce could be with just about any girl, but he spends a lot of time working so its unlikely for him to have the time to court a champion.

Jhin serial murderer kind of ruins relation ships. maybe for the sake of having a b story, but it would end poorly

Jinx she is insane, so obvious no with anyone.

Kalista undead.

Karma no time for it, and should honestly avoid it as well.

Karthus undead

Kassadin no time, also probably horribly scarred by void.

Katarina is an assassin, maybe with someone from noxus, but no way with garen.

Kayle not sure where she is in the lore, tbh

Kennen ninja, no time, jeapordizes mission.

Khazix void monster

Kindred never one without the other.

KogMaw void monster

Leblanc maybe with someone in the black rose, oh wait.

LeeSin eh, probably with a random. its unlikely any ionians get together.

Leona probably with a random if at all.

Lissandra she's ancient, and she would lose her love. maybe but unlikely

Lucian still getting over that last girl.

Lulu ancient, and probably insane, so low chance.

Lux with ez

Malphite rock monster, no one to love him back

Malzahar probably more concerned with ending the world.

Maokai is a tree

MasterYi maybe, but its more likely that he will just train people in the art of wuju till the end of his days

MissFortune not enough time for a champion. maybe with a random

Mordekaiser undead

Morgana no idea where she stands

Nami is a fish

Nasus is ascended

Nautilus is undead-ish

Nidalee maybe, but she is probably more like a cat, no permanent relationship

Nocturne nightmares don't find love

Nunu neither do little kids

Olaf i mean, his whole life is devoted to killing himself in a worthy way. the most manly emo.

Orianna if she wasn't a combat robot i would say she would make a good fit for blitz. but that first thing is kind of a problem

Pantheon maybe with leo, but probably already with a random

Poppy more concerned with finding her hero.

Quinn kind of young, but she could probably go nicely with most demacians or allies of demacia countryfolk

Rammus not sure what he is, so no.

RekSai void monster

Renekton ascended

Rengar probably like a cat, one night stand exclusively

Riven maybe, based on lore i could see yas and her getting along, if it wasn't for the fact that she was the one yas is trying to kill.

Rumble crush on trist, maybe that could be a thing.

Ryze he is a wanderer, could be a good fit for most champions, but also for most randoms

Sejuani busy atm, but could really go well with just about any champion from winters bite

Shaco probably a demon so no

Shen blah blah ninja blah blah jeopardize

Shyvana dragon, best chance is jarvhan but jarvhan is the demacian prince so his relationship will probably end up being purely political.

Singed he could probably fit well with a random zaunite, but his chances are tied entirely to zaunites

Sion undead

Sivir maybe before things, but with azir her life is political. maybe sivir jarvan to tie the countries together, but unlikely as demacia probably wouldn't see azir as a country

Skarner crystal scorpions just can't find love. why do you think he misses his kind.

Sona could go well with just about anyone, so you could slap her wiht just about any champion. maybe.

Soraka celestial being, got burned by a mortal once.

Swain busy being evil.

Syndra busy being stupid.

TahmKench busy being a demon

Talon busy being an assassin. could be a good fit for a random.

Taric not sure where he stands in the lore.

Teemo can't remember if trist teemo was lore or not, if its not thats good, if it is its also fine.

Thresh undead

Tristana cant remember if trist teemo was lore, if its not trist rumble could work, but its also is fine with a random

Trundle is a troll, probably a good fit for another troll

Tryndamere with ashe for political reasons

TwistedFate probably a good fit with a random

Twitch his whole life is devoted to making more of him. so probably not, until he succeeds

Udyr he has more than enough to worry about

Urgot undead

Varus corrupted

Vayne maybe with a demacian.

Veigar he's insane and tries to be evil.

Velkoz void monster

Vi maybe with a random, but her lifestyle would probably not allow it.

Viktor maybe with a random that he added to his evolution, but probably not.

Vladimir he would just as likely kill someone

Volibear with an ursine i could see it

Warwick he's one of a kind, so no.

MonkeyKing with a monkey, sure

Xerath ascended-ish

XinZhao probably with a random, but his life is devoted to the king as well.

Yasuo could go well with riven if she wasn't the one who caused him to become what he is.

Yorick undead

Zac one of a kind, but honestly if he tried he could go well with just about anyone he wanted to

Zed busy training people, also ninja

Ziggs probably go well with anyone. most likely a random

Zilean old, and time related. probably can't do any of it.

Ebonmaw Dragon8 votes

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We need more cannon pairings especially after they got rid of gangplank and missfortune WORST CHANGE EVER!

The Miss Fortune and GP pairing never made sense, they always wanted to kill each other, even if they worked togheter.

Baron of Bread1 votes

In the old lore there wasn't anything that said they wanted to kill each other, at least that I can remember. The pairing was a bit unlikely in my opinion, but I won't say no to a Pirate Ship.

A Superb Villain4 votes

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The pairing was a bit unlikely in my opinion, but I won't say no to a** Pirate Ship**.

Hue.

Photos of Ghosts3 votes

Canon. Short for canonic. Not cannon, which means big canne (tube).

Stars Shaper5 votes

bringing all of the city-states to their knees

Xerath Mordekaiser Welcome to the Club :3

A Superb Villain12 votes

Xerath destroyed Shurima and Mordekaiser ruled the majority of Valoran for years.

#It's Veigar's turn!

Stars Shaper4 votes

That's the entry test :P

Marbelara2 votes

He's got the glowy eyes already Veigar

Ralanr2 votes

I've always imagined him as a villain of the future while Mordekaiser is a villain of the past and Swain is the villain of the present.

Heretic Lunari4 votes

Well said! We can show at least in game how dangerous Veigar is.

#OneShottingAPCwithUltAlone

Baron of Bread4 votes

I can hardly wait for a color text for Veigar. Showing him interact with the world will hopefully let us see just how evil and willing to use his power he is.

A Superb Villain3 votes

I think it would be absolutely wonderful if the majority of the text is from someone else's point of view, amused or mocking Veigar's antics. Then when the perspective shifts to The Tiny Master of Evil we come to understand how close he was to succeeding, and just how terrible the consequences would have been.

Trolosaurus4 votes

My headcanon is that the people of Bandle City are aware that Veigar is quite mad, and humor him as a form of recuperation. Being a Yordle, no matter his malevolent thoughts, being surrounded by familiar home and people dampens his hostility considerably to the comedic level of current. Eventually the people of Bandle City hope he'll drop the whole "evil wizard" thing and go back to being a jolly Yordle. Again, that's just headcanon. I actually was writing a fanfiction where Veigar finally snaps and the disaster it brings to Runeterra, but there's no board to post fanfiction to my knowledge.

Skelenth5 votes

"It's not just a phase!" - Veigar

Mir0skies2 votes

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My headcanon is that the people of Bandle City are aware that Veigar is quite mad, and humor him as a form of recuperation. Being a Yordle, no matter his malevolent thoughts, being surrounded by familiar home and people dampens his hostility considerably to the comedic level of current. Eventually the people of Bandle City hope he'll drop the whole "evil wizard" thing and go back to being a jolly Yordle. Again, that's just headcanon. I actually was writing a fanfiction where Veigar finally snaps and the disaster it brings to Runeterra, but there's no board to post fanfiction to my knowledge.

Try to post it in "Concepts & Creations" or "Misc"

10Tickler1 votes

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My headcanon is that the people of Bandle City are aware that Veigar is quite mad, and humor him as a form of recuperation. Being a Yordle, no matter his malevolent thoughts, being surrounded by familiar home and people dampens his hostility considerably to the comedic level of current. Eventually the people of Bandle City hope he'll drop the whole "evil wizard" thing and go back to being a jolly Yordle. Again, that's just headcanon. I actually was writing a fanfiction where Veigar finally snaps and the disaster it brings to Runeterra, but there's no board to post fanfiction to my knowledge.

This is, unwittingly, the most accurate headcanon that I could ever imagine.

seriously, that's psychologically, how the Yordle unnameds feel, sort of guilt-ridden for what happened to Veigar/Lulu, and tolerant, so long as they two don't step completely out of line

Trolosaurus2 votes

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This is, unwittingly, the most accurate headcanon that I could ever imagine.

seriously, that's psychologically, how the Yordle unnameds feel, sort of guilt-ridden for what happened to Veigar/Lulu, and tolerant, so long as they two don't step completely out of line

Well, they still exiled Lulu because they felt she was a threat Which goes to show just how little danger they think Veigar is.

Mhihnj4 votes

You know, a good veigar is a terrifying presence on the rift. I like playing immobile mages in the mid lane.

And btw the two sentences above have almost no connection whatsoever

A Superb Villain2 votes

You mean an evil Veigar; good is bad, and evil is good.

Kanzaki Ranko4 votes

yes

A Superb Villain3 votes

'nuff said.

Virgin Ray3 votes

TL;DR

Malicious Metal15 votes

These are the Story'n'Arts boards. If you don't like long texts and discussions you're in the wrong place buddy.

Virgin Ray3 votes

Sorry, I'm completely new to the whole TL;DR thing. When is it appropriate?

A Superb Villain4 votes

When an argument can be condensed into a concise statement without loosing its persuasion, typically when a problem, and the solution to it, are obvious or readily agreed upon.

Virgin Ray3 votes

ty

Dessem6 votes

It's usually not appropriate to respond to things with "TL;DR", because it literally stands for, "too long; didn't read" and implies the author wasted their time by writing something you have absolutely no interest in.

To wit, the tl;dr note for this thread'd be, "Veigar's lore claims he is a deranged, powerful individual who wants to destroy the world, but all we ever get is comedy from Veigar. Please stop, give us serious lore."

Trídent3 votes

Yes, make him more scary >:D

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