Moral Alignments for every Champion

SwimyFish··7 votes·3,522 views
Alignment (Dungeons & Dragons) - Wikipedia

To start off with, I love League of Legends, not just the gameplay but every aspect of it. The lore can be so deep interconnected, and the universe as a whole is just so compelling. So as a fun little project (this actually took a lot longer than you would expect), I decided to try and classify every single champion (137 currently, Kayn being the most recent) into the classic Moral Alignment system of Lawful Good-Chaotic Evil. The link is to the article I used for definition, so if you have questions, try reading that first, and if you still disagree, there's a decent chance you're right. I tried to read as much lore/short stories for every champion as possible so I could be accurate, but likelihood is I still messed up. Without further ado, here's the list.

Lawful Good:Amumu~ Anivia Ashe Azir BlitzcrankCaitlyn Fiora Galio Garen Heimerdinger Irelia JannaJarvanIV Jayce~ Kayle~ Leona Lucian~ Lux Malphite~ Nasus Poppy Ryze Skarner Soraka Taliyah Taric Tristana XinZhao

Neutral Good:Alistar Bard~ Braum~ Corki Ivern Karma Kassadin~ Maokai MasterYi Nami Orianna Pantheon~ Quinn Shyvana Sona Teemo~ Vi~ Yorick Zac Zilean~

Chaotic Good:Annie~ AurelionSol~ Ekko Ezreal Fizz MissFortune~ Nidalee Nunu Rakan Rumble Warwick MonkeyKing Xayah~ Yasuo Ziggs

Lawful Neutral:Camille Diana~ Illaoi~ Jax~ Karthus~Riven Sejuani Vayne Volibear

True Neutral:Akali~ Gragas Kalista Kennen~ Kindred LeeSin Nautilus Rammus (ok)Shen~ Trundle Udyr

Chaotic Neutral::Ahri~ DrMundo~ Gnar Graves Kled KogMaw Lulu Olaf Singed~ Sivir Syndra Tryndamere TwistedFate Zyra

Lawful Evil:Cassiopeia Darius Katarina Kayn Leblanc Lissandra Sion~ Swain Talon Urgot Varus Xerath

Neutral Evil:Aatrox Elise Evelynn Gangplank~ Jhin~ Malzahar Rengar~ Velkoz Viktor~ Vladimir Zed~

**Chaotic Evil: **Brand Chogath Draven~ Fiddlesticks Hecarim Jinx Khazix Mordekaiser Morgana~ Nocturne RekSai~ Renekton Shaco TahmKench~ Thresh Twitch Veigar

(~'s indicate champions whose Alignment has been called into question. If you see someone you think should move somewhere else, post it in the comment, preferably with your opinion and thoughts on where they should go)

So here's where my disclaimer comes in. There are a ton of champions that could fit into multiple alignments, that's kinda important in developing interesting and compelling characters. An example I'll give is MissFortune . She is an agent of the Law, being a bounty hunter, so you'd assume she would be on the lawful side of the alignments, and you could make an argument for her to be Lawful Good or Neutral Good. However, from what I found in her lore, she respects the law, but not really in its application to herself, and she definitely lives outside of the orthodox ways of Bilgewater.

Another archetype of character that was hard to classify are those characters who don't really have a concrete motive. Examples of this would be Amumu , Annie , and Nautilus . We don't really have any examples of them responding to dilemmas, and therefore I could only guess at their alignments based on personality.

Thirdly, are the champions that just don't have lore at the moment. Mostly, this is due to the retconning of Summoners and the Institute of War. Fiddlesticks , LeeSin , and Nocturne are all good examples of this, as their lore included summoners or the Institute as some integral part. Then there's Jax . While his lore was based on the Institute of War, it also never explained anything to begin with. And since the entire point of Jax is that he's mysterious, I just pulled a cop-out and put him in True Neutral.

Please feel free to roast me in the comments if I messed up, I'll try and and edit with suggestions if any come up. In addition, I'd love to see some discussion about the Alignment of champions in a more broad sense, i.e is it good or bad that Lawful Good is the most common Alignment, do your favorite champions all have similar Alignment, how well does a particular champion express their Alignment with in-game VO?

Thanks for reading all the way!!

61 Comments

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO5 votes

Every time someone makes one of these I disagree with their opinion. Not that it's your fault or anything. The alignment system is rather ill-defined and simplistic to really apply with any degree of accuracy to most characters. For example, you are essentially saying that Noxus is evil and Demacia is good, and that assumption just doesn't work.

If you'd like I can go more into detail about which categorization I disagree with specifically, but we'd likely just end up arguing

SwimyFish2 votes

I agree, with you in that this system doesn't well represent complex characters.

"There are a ton of champions that could fit into multiple alignments, that's kinda important in developing interesting and compelling characters." I tried to point out that these are likely inaccurate or at least not all encompassing, and it was more meant to start discussion like this than it was to actually define anything.

I also agree that Noxus and Demacia are not just cookie cutouts of evil and good, respectively. What I will say, however, is that in-universe, that is what they exemplify, and most of the individual characters do tend to follow their theoretical good/bad split, as opposed to the reality of Noxus Demacia being less clear cut.

For example, I understand that as a whole, Demacia does some pretty bad stuff, especially to mages. However, on an individual level, I believe that Garen and Jarvan are more likely to exhibit the altruistic behavior that defines a Lawful Good character than, say, Darius or Talon. While the whole of Noxus might not be Evil and the whole of Demacia might not be Good, everything I can find in the lore basically describes the individuals as good/bad in a pretty clear cut way. I'll also point out that the linked definition of Lawful Evil points out that the characters likely have some positive traits, which I also believe, as well as some potential downfalls of Lawful Good characters.

As an aside, I would love if you went into the specifics of what you disagree with. I enjoy talking to people who disagree with me much more than I like talking to people who agree with me. I don't see arguing as a negative thing. I'm positive that most of these Alignments are open to interpretation, and I'd like to hear as many other interpretations as I can.

Moonboy654 votes

Ahri is more True Neutral than Chaotic Neutral

SwimyFish3 votes

What's your reasoning on this? Ahri was really hard to decide on, since she does bad things, but genuinely feels remorse for doing them, however I personally feel like she's on the chaotic side just because she's such an individualist, never having conformed to any structure or outside ideals. I do agree, however, that there is enough ambiguity in her character to warrant a True Neutral Alignment.

I'll add her an asterisk. *When I get home. Editing a post this big in mobile is a bitch.

mkyner1 votes

From my understanding, Chaotic goes out of its way to cause trouble or wreck the existing system, Xayah and Jinx being prime examples of this. Ahri does not strike me as that kind of person. She's been on her own for a while, and we haven't seen much about how she interacts with society. I haven't seen any evidence that she is, or likes, working against authority. True, she's not aligned with any major faction, but she's not working against any of them (that we know of). So on the lawful-chaotic scale, I think neutral is more appropriate.

I'd even suggest she should be moved from Neutral to Good. She's clearly crossed a threshold with her soul-drinking, regrets what she does, and is seeking a way to overcome it. A few months ago when they updated her lore, there was a post discussing how her soul-drinking now is basically an addiction. Before Ahri realized she had a problem, when she was taking pleasure in consuming souls, I'd agree she was evil. But she's moved on and is trying recover. She definitely realizes the soul-drinking is something she should not be doing, that it's a moral problem, and she wants to be better than that. I think that's enough to move her into the 'good' category.

SwimyFish2 votes

Agreed. Ahri's lore has the double problem of lack of clear allegiance/motives, and lack of descriptive reactions to situations from which one could infer a motive, however it does make sense that she would be either True Neutral or Neutral Good.

I guess whereas other champions, like Nunu or Kled, have known order and authority and chose to strike out on their own, making them Chaotic, Ahri was on her own from the start, and therefore doesn't necessarily have the individualist motives befitting a Chaotic character, maybe she would even try to fit in given a chance in some society. So I definitely see your point.

On the point of her being Good or Neutral, it can definitely be interpreted either way, although I would still pick Neutral simply because a Good Alignment requires a character to be altruistic and self sacrificing. And while Ahri is kind of sacrificing her own comfort by not eating souls, that's lee doing a good thing and more NOT DOING a bad thing, which is a subtle difference. Again, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. Both opinions can be equally valid.

Thanks for your input Mkyner!

Neamean4 votes

Kayle and Morgana should be Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Neutral they both teeter totter. Kayle is going back and forth from Order and Tyranny while Morgana is Freedom and Anarchy.

SwimyFish1 votes

Their lore is ambiguous enough that you actually have a really good point, we don't know enough about their struggle to actually determine who is right or wrong. Ill note it.

Krabohod2 votes

Annie who is literally disintegrates every champ with fire is Good? LUL Tahm is not chaotic evil. He is more lawful good or neutral evil, cause he does not do some chaotic good, he just suugest you a deal based on your desires. What so chaotic about it?

And this only two I saw. As was mentioned before list like that is impossible to create in League (and no reason to) cause borders of defining factors too blurry. As was mentioned by Warlord Dienekes even creators do not know for sure how this type of dividing works. And you shouldn't tried, sorry

SwimyFish1 votes

These Alignments are based on lore not gameplay, and as far as Annie's lore goes (there isn't much), she hasn't really done anything. Therefore, as her two foremost role models, I based her Alignment off of her parents, who would tend to be defining factors in her life. They disagreed with the crimes being committed by the Noxian government and led an exodus of mages from the country to form their own settlement, their disapproval of crime and care for others signaling a Good Alignment.

Tahm was definitely one of the ones I was less sure about, but most of his lore talks about how his service to others is only intended to lead them to their demise at his hands. If you look at the definition of Chaotic Evil I linked, it describes him pretty well. Adherence to only his own rules, malicious intent, foul deeds. Ill definitely note though that he could move.

Sorry man, I tried my hardest. I for one haven't seen anything like this on the boards before, and just thought it would be fun. I think it has value in starting conversations, I'm not trying to accurately define things. :(

Krabohod2 votes

It just too complicated, I could try to show you where you're wrong and it will be the wall of text, cause it's very complicated and blurry issue. Eh, but let's try

- -Your Lawful goods- - Janna is neutral good. Human laws are not something she fully respect. If the wishes of men require some chaos, I'm sure she'll provide some. Amumu is neutral. He doesn't do any particulary good. He just lives his life, where everuthing he touches go to shit really fast. Jayce is more neutral good, but it's blurry Malphite is true neutral. Come on, he's just a big rock with no important intentions right now.

- -Your Neutral goods- - Bard has the same issue as Illaoi. We can not tell if they are good or not. Cause the subjectivism of the alignments matter too much. Bard just keeps Universe from falling apart. But if your death will keep the universe will it be good? It's too complicated. In a greater view he is good, but in terms of Runterra he is def Neutral. Braum is the definition of Lawful Good, why he is neutral? The big guy that lives with the code of "what his momma said".. Kassadin is too complicated and outdated for this "list". With his current lore we can't say his alignment. Pantheon is complicated case. The space parasite that just is God of War.. Not good, def It's seems like he is more Chaotic Neutral. Teemo is lawful good. (But I'm not sure) Vi is chaotic good. Come on, their pair with Cait is the definition of Law vs Chaos for the Good Measures. Zilean is Lawful neutral. He doesn't seem to do any particular good, he is more distancing himself with all that Time-rune staff.

- -Your Chaotic goods- - Annie is def chaotic neutral, it's for sure. She is too outdated. And she is just a kid from evil parents, who uses fire magic. I'm not sure that she is "kinda" Hero, that fights with injustice or crime. AurelionSol is too complicated, nut he is more Neutral, I suppose MissFortune is lawful neutral. She cares for Bilgewater, but also too dependant on power and want it as bad as Gangplank. They are two sides of one coin in that matter. And she kills a lotta people too, not just bad ones, like WW. Xayah wooooooow. Putting racist edgy teen as chaotic good.. She is neutral at best, sure she do all the rebellious staff dor vastaya, but from ordinary perspective she's do a lot of killing and hatin' for a good man(woman).

- -Your Lawful neutrals- - Diana is very interesting case. She does what she does only to fight the Void in the end, so I think she's chaotic good. But it's complicated Karthus is intersting. It's cool that you use him as Neutral, it's interesting view of him, but he is Chaotic neutral at best. But for the most people he is chaotic evil.

- -Your Lawful neutrals- - All ninjas (Shen , Akali and Kennen is more Lawful neutral. They are keeping balance, yes, but they do it in a strict code of the Shen's Order.

- -Your Chaotic neutrals- - Singed is lawful evil. The crazy scientist uses test subjects right and left, do not care for greater good, and uses a lot of children in his experiments. He is 100% Lawful Evil.

- -Your Lawful evils- - Sion 100% Chaotic Evil. He used to be cool guy, now he is just killing machine that kills a lot of his own soldiers too, cause he just needs to kill something. And all in all, just putting all Noxus guys as evil is not great. They are just pepople that doing their best at society that praises strength, war and killing. They are not bad guys. They are just guys, that use grey actions. They are more of neutral - some lawful, some chaotic. Cass is sure evil, but other Noxians (from Noxus) are not IMO. Kayn and Urgot are well-placed :)

- -Your Neutral evils- - Gangplank is Lawful Evil. He's not just bad guy, he just cares too much for power and he rule Bilgewater through crime, but he is Lawful. He is the authority of that place, after all. Rengar super miss. Why he is evil? He's just the cat who loves to hunt. He is neutral 100%. Viktor and Zed are just not understanded by society. They are Chaotic neutrals. Both seen as villains, but they do what they do for the greater good, try not to kill others (and we've seen no killing at all from both of them). Sure, dudes look scary, but they are just Chaotic Neutral.

And, in last, Draven is too complicated for Chaotic Evil.

Phew.

SwimyFish2 votes

Hey thank you so much for this! I really want to respond to some of this, but I'm st work currently, I'll get back to this when I can. I appreciate the thoughtful, constructive opinions though. There are some that you mentioned that I'm willing to defend, but with as subjective a topic as this is, that's to be expected. And as long as we both have valid and reasonable interpretations, who's to say anybody is wrong?

mkyner2 votes

I think we'd need to make a tenth alignment just called Draven.

SwimyFish3 votes

As much of an interesting and cool character as Draven is, he actually does fit very well into Chaotic Evil. I actually had an easier time with Draven than with an average other champion. Just looking at his lore, he is an executioner who doesn't even respect the executioner establishment (if there is such a thing). He forces his prisoners to bend to his will, using their misery and desperation as a source of entertainment for himself and others, and deliberately breaks the rules whenever possible for his own benefit, even in Noxus. I would definitely be open to another interpretation, but I actually think this is one of the few times an Alignment fits a champion spot.

Although, this could just be not getting the joke if you weren't being serious... Its probably that...

ChunLii1 votes

Well, for Draven he really only kills people that are legally condemned to death. So what he is doing is legal but is it moral in any moral theory? We have too few information to decide that. I mean what kind of people are condemned to death? Is it murderers and conspirators or something as simple such as speaking out against Noxus politics will get you sentenced to death? Does Noxus have freedom of speech is what I want to know.

Although I do agree that because Draven himself turns it into a show he is pushed more on the evil side but again if the people he is executing are really vile some people feel that they deserve the humiliation. But Draven is definitely not in a good alignment just because of how selfish he is.

DarkRitual1 votes

He LOVES killing though. He gives people the false notion that they may escape and be free, but strikes them down as they are trying to run, making a spectacle to boost his own ego.

He is definately evil.

ChunLii1 votes

I thought he loved fame and attention?

I mean Draven won't go around killing some random stranger on the street because he suddenly felt the urge to kill and couldn't stop himself. Say there was no audience and it was as just him and the prisoner in an otherwise empty colosseum, would he still do the execution? I actually don't think so because he would find it boring and pointless. I don't think he is motivated by the rush that the murder gives but by the audience cheers as he handicaps himself and strikes down the prisoner from one end to the other despite the said handicap.

By the way I'm not saying he can't be evil and he isn't evil but arguing against that motivation. I already explained how Draven can be immoral in my view, that is through irrational executions.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

One comment, just because you're a leader, doesn't mean you're lawful. The big example I can think of is Joffrey from A Song of Ice and Fire. He doesn't follow any rules, he doesn't place any limitations on himself. He just does things and gets away with it because he's the king.

I think Gangplank was similar, but unlike Joffrey isn't stupid. He even says that he has a real hands off approach to his leadership in the story. Don't fuck with him, pay your respect and he leaves you alone. For the most part. Unless he wants something. But other that he didn't really have a personal ideology or any real law codes he tried to enforce. I'd place him more Neutral or possibly even Chaotic Evil (Because remember, Chaotic Evil also doesn't mean stupid). He rules, but he's not actually attentive with the ins and outs of getting Bilgewater to function. He just wants to be on top and has the brains and brawn to actually do it.

Sion's an interesting case. Honestly, his depiction in life sounds like he was Lawful Good (depending on how evil Noxus was at the time, all we really know was that it was under attack by Demacia and almost fell). He followed the rules was a career soldier and died defending his home. Now he's a killing machine but I honestly don't know if he actually has the higher brain functions left to be evil. Maybe he does, maybe he actually recognizes that he's killing people. But I got the feeling so much has been lost with his resurrection that he's more an animal now.

Singed, I don't get why he's lawful. He's a crazy scientist. He could be any of the evil alignments, once we get more information on him.

And so on.

Ralanr1 votes

Sion's kinda aware of what he's doing. It's like extreme short term memory loss though and only a few things really stick.

Krabohod1 votes

But lawful is based upon your relationship with power. Gangplank is the power. I mean power like not just having some power like royal, but atleast half of Bilgewater respect him. Which gives his power more strong basis than Joffrey power was. When Joffrey ruled all the guys an' gals in 7 kingdoms knew that Joffrey have no real power, but all realpower lies with Tywin. But in Gangplank's case, GP is also wielder of real power. And He have a strong personal ideology and real law codes. These codes just are not written in paper, but everyone know them: DO not touch Gangplank's power, do not touch any of Bearded Lady's Temples, do not try to make your own Pirate political party and etc. Gangplank is the Authority of Bilgewater. And he rules not un a democratic way, but autocratic way. He's the King. Obey him or die. He is tyrant, but his power are strongly based upon codes and his personal ideology. It's just not set in written texts, but it's Pirates you kno'.. They do not texts, they are all already know who is(were) the Boss.

I was talking about in-game Sion, not the old Warrior. It's been said in lore that his "Anger Issues" makes him kill Noxus' soldiers. That's.. pretty chaotic, dude.

Singed just worked too much with Goverments (in old lore, but I think it could be kept in his new)

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

You're confusing power/leadership with law.

The Joker is the epitome of chaotic evil. And he still commands his minions and kills those that disagree with him, or because he finds it funny.

Villains of any alignment value dominating others. The difference is in how they go about doing it. A lawful villain will build governments and law codes to create an organized method to retain their power. A chaotic individual will ignore all that and dominate others through intimidation, or through force of will.

Gangplank is somewhere in between, but I'd argue far closer to the chaotic side of things. You don't fuck with Gangplank not because he physically created a lawful society filled with rules that solidify his power. He became the biggest baddest bully on the playground and expects everyone else to figure that out. Or he will kill them.

SwimyFish1 votes

I'm going to go through, line by line, and just add my additional thoughts, now that I'm on my PC. Doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with you, your opinion is valid just the same.

Janna : Janna's motivation is very much to help her believers by any means necessary, and I guess I just interpreted this extremely-altruistic motivation of her to be the "Goodest" of the Good Alignments. However, Lawful Good isn't even necessarily the "most good" Alignment, so in this case, I actually think you're probably right.

Amumu : Amumu is a case where we have very little motivation or evidence of a character handling moral dilemmas to base an Alignment off of, so I feel his Alignment will be even more subjective than most. Personally, though, since his objective is to make friends, essentially getting people to like him, he would be more prone to conforming to others' expectations of him (that is, if he could even get to know anyone without passively killing them without meaning to), and would likely go out of his way just to get people to like him, at least in my mind. I agree that there's an argument for Neutral Good, but I would still say he belongs in Lawful Good.

Jayce : I am fairly confident Jayce is Lawful Good. Some specific examples from his lore that make me think this; he waited for every other scholar in his class to experiment on the crystal he eventually put in his hammer, before he got to, as per the decree of his higher-ups, when he easily could have taken it for himself; in one of his short stories, he has a genuine moral dilemma over helping a little girl, but ends up doing so as he sees it being the right thing to do as Piltovian citizen.

Malphite : I'm not sure you actually looked at his lore. He literally wanders the globe trying to enforce ideals of Empathy and Peace. I could still be mistaken, but it seemed pretty clear cut to me when I was reading it.

Bard : Bard is the Wandering Caretaker. As far as I'm concerned, care-taking is pretty necessarily benevolent. I will say that your point of him potentially killing people is fair, however I don't think killing people precludes you from fitting under a Good Alignment, a'la Miss Fortune or Amumu.

Braum : There is a huge chance I was wrong on this one, since I did them alphabetically, Braum came before I had a better idea of the finer parts of this process. His lore does contain a lot of instances of him going against the societal grain, however you're probably right in that he is much more likely to prefer law and order than he is to reject it.

Kassadin : Completely agree. I didn't want to leave anybody off the list though, and considering Kassadin is a direct rival to Malzahar, I decided it would be fair to put him in the exact opposite Alignment.

Pantheon : Another person in the comments already pointed out to me that I was basing Pantheon's Alignment on his previous human form, Atreus. Because of this, his Alignment is almost certainly incorrect. That being said, I'm fairly confident Pantheon still lies on the Lawful side of the spectrum, mostly due to his strict adherence to the Rakkorian code of honor and strong sense of authority. The Good vs Evil axis is definitely open though. Again, just my opinion.

Teemo : Teemo's lore describes him as a social outcast who still sticks up for his homeland and protects his community. As a rule, Yordles are social beings, hell solitary confinement is what drove Veigar insane. So Teemo's leanings towards solitude, within the community of Bandle City, definitely veer him far enough away from Lawful to be considered Neutral Good, in my eyes.

Vi : I will admit that Vi definitely seems like she should be Chaotic Evil, and I was doubting myself for not putting her there. The fact that she still operates fully within the law was what tugged me towards Neutral Good, but another comment string on this post has already gone into detail as to why Lawful is not a very good term, as it actually refers towards Order, Respectfulness, and value of Authority. With all this in mind, Vi is almost certainly Chaotic Evil.

Zilean : While it is true that Zilean doesn't really do much concrete good in his lore, Motives are much more important than Actions regarding Alignment. Just look at Amumu, despite the fact that he ruins lives and landscapes, the character himself intends none of this, and feels a deep remorse for doing so, as it is uncontrollable. Zilean's whole motivation is to find a way to save his people, he is certainly on the Good side of Alignments as I see it, I could see him being either Neutral Good or Lawful Good though.

Annie : Annie has been brought up a couple times now. She is another example of insufficient evidence. I based her Alignment off of what I thought she would inherit from her parents, who would likely be her primary role models. They were originally Mages who lived in Noxus, and after their dissenting opinions towards the crimes of the Noxian Government were silenced, the led an exodus out of the country to live on their own with a settlement of other political outcasts. The empathy displayed by disdain for governmental atrocities, combined with the altruism of helping others escape the country along with them, leans me towards Good, and their strong belief in their own values and the willingness to strike out on their own led me towards Chaotic.

AurelionSol : I honestly had no idea where to put this guy. He is an abstract artist, who produces art for the benefit of both himself and others, shows disdain and contempt for those he sees as unworthy, and values his own freedom above his need to conform to an alien society, all things that led me to TENTATIVELY pin him as Chaotic Good.

MissFortune : Miss Fortune has a lot going on, and is surprisingly enough one of the more complex characters in League. I would argue that she lies on the Good side of the spectrum, for the reasons that killing doesn't preclude a character from being Good, and everyone I could find her killing in her lore WAS bad. On the Lawful vs Chaotic side, she has strong arguments both for Chaotic and Lawful in my opinion, which would lead to a Neutral conclusion, but I really don't think that fits her well at all, given how passionate she is.

Xayah : I really don't think racism of this light a nature precludes her from being a Good character. I would say that it is telling of her anti-social nature, which basically just feeds into her Chaotic Alignment. As to her being Good vs Evil, again motives matter more, in my opinion. She cares less for the fallout from her actions, which again just describes a Chaotic character, and her one true motive is to better the lot of the Vastaya, which I would describe as Good.

Diana : As for Diana, she gave up her whole life to follow the once abandoned path of the Lunari. While this does pin her as counter-culture, which should be Chaotic, it also grants her a strict code of beliefs and values that I think pull her all the way over to the Lawful side. As far as Good vs Evil, I interpreted her character as caring much less about the morality of her actions as long as they complied with her Lunari code.

Karthus : Karthus genuinely believes that the living have something to learn from/gain from becoming undead, although has little empathy for any unwillingness to follow him, which I think pegs him as Neutral quite well. His lore also starts with him as a child being morbidly fascinated with death, and he works his way through a church order committed to serving and burying the dead. Religion in general is a pretty Lawful theme, so I put him here and I think it fits him, but I could be wrong. He also has a strict set of beliefs, and not much of an emphasis on freedom or individuality often seen in Chaotic characters.

Akali Kennen Shen : These three necessarily have the same Alignment, regardless of what that Alignment happens to be, based on the fact that they are all dedicated to the Kinkou Order. I would argue that True Neutral fits better than Lawful Neutral, based on this quote from Akali's lore: "Order, chaos, light, darkness -- all things must exist in perfect harmony for such is the way of the universe." The Kinkou order specifically tries to preserve a certain amount of Chaos.

Singed : I disagree with you on Singed. Again, you have every right to your opinion, and I see where you are coming from. Singed lives by himself, disregards societal norms, and generally sows discord wherever he goes. I want to bring up Riven's lore here, where Singed is asked by the Noxian Government to aid in the invasion of Ionia. He agrees, but ends up killing as many Noxians as he does Ionians in what essentially boiled down to a glorified experiment for him. I would, however, cede the point that there's a valid argument for him being Evil as opposed to Neutral.

Sion : Again, this was a case of me basing Alignments off of something other than a champion's current state. I read Sion's current lore first, and his backstory last, so the original, not-dead Sion was freshest in my mind when I entered him. I'll agree that current Sion is more likely Chaotic than he is Lawful. He even kills his own dudes...

Gangplank : This is one that I think is open for good debate. Part of the definition for Neutral Evil is villains who work mostly towards their own benefit, without regards to the harm they do to others, but also without an intention necessarily to do harm. Gangplank seems like this kinda guy, where he doesn't care about civilization or authority, but if you stay out of his way he won't actively seek you down unless you've wronged him in the past, unlike say Twitch. This is just my personal take, and I think both Lawful and Chaotic Evil are just as valid given sound reasoning.

Holy shit this has exceeded the maximum character limit for a reply. Guess there will be a brief Part 2!

SwimyFish1 votes

Continued.

Rengar : I will say that Rengar does not have a motivation to do harm, but his goal of killing beasts and often also sentient beings (a'la Khazix ) does show a complete apathy for his prey. Additionally, Gnar's lore paints him in a pretty antagonistic light, as Rengar hunts down a surely innocent creature. He even mentions Yordles as being one of his favorite snacks, and given that Yordles are clearly all sentient, a disregard for their well being at his own hands is enough for me to conclude on his Evil Alignment.

Zed and Viktor : After a second thought, I can definitely understand putting them as Neutral on the Good-Evil spectrum. I personally see more evidence for the Evil side in their actions, but as I've been saying, motives count more than actions, and they both do intend to do some good. I'm no longer sure where I would put them, but I don't dispute your placement of Chaotic Neutral.

Draven : Draven I'm confident is Chaotic Evil. I'll just quote myself from a different comment.

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As much of an interesting and cool character as Draven is, he actually does fit very well into Chaotic Evil. I actually had an easier time with Draven than with an average other champion. Just looking at his lore, he is an executioner who doesn't even respect the executioner establishment (if there is such a thing). He forces his prisoners to bend to his will, using their misery and desperation as a source of entertainment for himself and others, and deliberately breaks the rules whenever possible for his own benefit, even in Noxus. I would definitely be open to another interpretation, but I actually think this is one of the few times an Alignment fits a champion spot.

Although, this could just be not getting the joke if you weren't being serious... Its probably that...

Krabohod1 votes

Rengar Gnar's JoJ is too outdated. And you forget that we've only seen Rengar hunt animals or creatures. No people. He's not full of apathy, I think, he's more focused. And as you've said motives are what matter. If he would kill some random stranger (or especially member of his "village" or some other great hunter) he would feel a little (a lot in mentioned cases) remorse. He is hunter, but not totally remorseless. Which makes him neutral. Also I always seen that Yordle quote as sarcasm. Not in the way, that Rengar hate taste of Yordle, but more in the way of half-jokingly threat.

Sozan51 votes

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Teemo : Teemo's lore describes him as a social outcast who still sticks up for his homeland and protects his community. As a rule, Yordles are social beings, hell solitary confinement is what drove Veigar insane. So Teemo's leanings towards solitude, within the community of Bandle City, definitely veer him far enough away from Lawful to be considered Neutral Good, in my eyes.

Uh, I don't think it describes him as a social outcast:

While Teemo enjoys the companionship of other yordles, he also insists on frequent solo missions in the ongoing defense of Bandle City.

It's clearly said that he enjoys being around other Yordles. We don't know why he wants solo missions - could be a plethora of reasons (concern for others, being the only one that can do that or maybe even simply because his fighting style is most effective while alone).

Also, he's certainly lawful. Look at his quotes - he clearly takes pride in being a soldier and in following the scout's code.

SwimyFish1 votes

I guess that's all fair. Even your quote from the lore still makes me feel like he's more okay with breaking social conventions than most Yordles, and for me, that's enough to put him as Neutral. I definitely see where you are coming from though, that's certainly a valid way to interpret that!

Sozan51 votes

Dunno. In JoJ (which is uncanon now, but honestly - so is 95% of things with regards to Yordles) he was clearly enjoying social events (the 2 charity events come to mind, which also help to put him into Good alignment), along with Tristana.

The only moment he is a loner is on those solo missions (again, we have no reasoning behind that - but even if he simply didn't like company during missions, it doesn't make him any less lawful (as the Yordles needing company is their instinct rather than rule or law)).

This might be only me, but also the usage of word "insists" seems like he's actually asking higher ups for solo missions and waits for permission. This part might be me overthinking it, but that's the vibe I got from it.

Oh, and by quotes I meant his in-game quotes, particularly those ones:

"Captain Teemo on duty." "Never underestimate the power of the Scout's code."

Especially the 2nd one shows that he takes pride in scout's code, at the very least.

Also, on OS, he says: "I used to live by a code." - not very relevant, as Omega Squad is an alternate universe/timeline, but hey.

For me, Teemo seems to be completely on the Lawful side.

SwimyFish1 votes

As I've said, this is a perfectly logical and valid interpretation. I see the character differently, because this is a very subjective matter, but I agree with your argument and would try and change it, I still believe he is Neutral Good however. That was interesting to read thoug, thanks!

Krabohod1 votes

Jayce eh, i said it's blurry :) I think he is more chaotic than other scientist in Piltover, which makes him Neutral good, not Lawful good. Malphite 's lore is too outdated. We cann't fully say what he is, he would not be alien, he's more a moving Mountain. Moving mountain that's neutrally lives its life :) Pantheon Neutral is the way to go. It seems that he can kill, but he also can save people. It's compicated. Vi *chaotic good Zilean is subjective. I think, he's more neutral, just cause he mentally distanced himself too much. But I maybe wrong, your arguments are also valid.

I think Annie just like Malphite and Kassadin should be put into their own category: Too outdated :) Cause there is no point in argue, they just so outdated that their lore could be read in either way.

AurelionSol is not comparable of people's morality. He's just doing his own thing. He's true neutral. MissFortune all in all, She's top notch Pirate Captain. You know what Pirates do? They blew up trade ships, kills people, rob and etc. And top notches do A LOT of that. Sure, MF cause she is not a villain in heart, she would remorse it. But she does killing and would not stop it. She's neutral, I tell you. Her character is estavlished, but difficult one. I personally fell like she do what she do not only cause of care for people, but in a greater way cause of her wish to Rule. Which also pushes her toward neutral. Diana is literally killed all tops of power. That's the definition of chaos. And she has good intentions - cause all she do is to save the world, just like Bard or other "saver" like Taric. She just want to fight the Void. Ninjas are Lawful cause they live with very strict codes of Kinkou order. And cause Ionia have not very established goverment in their life (and in the life of people that live near Order) Order becomes the goverment. Which makes them Lawful

Gangplank and Singed I answered in other comment, please check it out. About Teemo you are already in argue :) And Draven

It's good that I have convinced you about some champions :)

DorkunedAuras2 votes

RekSai Is an animal. She is not intelligent enough to have an alignment one way or another. You could peg her down as chaotic neutral if anything, but evil requires intelligence.

DarkRitual1 votes

Animals can have a high enough Int score to have an alignment. It's not common, but for the QUEEN of a race, it's likely she's different from the rest. Low INT scores are also usually immunte to mind altering effects such as Charms Ahri

GreenLore2 votes

Well DND rules wil obviously not apply to LoL gameplay,so I really doubt that you can take Ahris charm as a measure for rek'sais intelligence. (especially since the lol gameplay doesn't reflect the lore to 100%,I mean the shadow isles champions are immune to most physical attacks in the lore,yet they can be harmed with anything ingame)

And Riot did say that Rek'sai is pretty much just a wild and agressive animal.

SwimyFish1 votes

There is supposed to be a 10th Alignment for this exact situation, Unaligned, however I felt like adding it and only putting in 1/2 champions felt a little unnecessary. I honestly think Chaotic Evil reflects her and most everything from the void pretty well, and I do feel like she most likely has enough sentience to make conscious decisions, although she may lack the ability to communicate this. Either way, there is indeed quite a large chance that she belongs more properly in Unaligned, so I'll give her a ~.

DorkunedAuras2 votes

Riot has confirmed she is an animal. Other voidborn would be scared to interact with her because she would attack them like anything else. I'd put her as unaligned for sure, but if we're sticking with 9, Chaotic Neutral.

DarkRitual2 votes

Lucian should definately be NG. Seeking vengeance of death is not a LG thing. I would put Bard as True Neutral as well. He just tries to keep people from blowing the world up, no matter by who.

Ralanr2 votes

How is Mundo Chaotic Neutral while Jinx is Chaotic evil?

SwimyFish1 votes

That's a good question. For me, it's all about Motive. Dr. Mundo just does what he enjoys, and he is stupid enough that on some level he actually believes what he is doing may help people. He's not Chaotic Good, though because he still puts more value on his right to do what he enjoys (Mundo goes where he pleases) than he does on peoples rights to not by "operated" upon. Jinx, on the other hand, pretty clearly intends to harm others. Yes, she does it because she enjoys it, but she also fully realizes the harm she is causing to other people and is okay with that.

At least, that's my interpretation. If you disagree, I'd love to hear yours!

Ralanr2 votes

You know what? I'll give you that. That's the best explanation for Jinx being evil over neutral.

Because she does intend to harm others, if only as an effect of harming their buildings.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

She also doesn't care that she's harming others. That's evil right there. Just total apathy to the pain and death she brings to "have fun."

Friggin psychopath.

Poro Princess2 votes

I never thought of Kat as evil. She kills because its her job and thats what her family does. But i dont think she does it because she is evil. She even sided with Demacia once in the old lore. If anything shes one of the few good/neutral in Noxus.

SwimyFish1 votes

If you actually look at her lore, you'll find a lack of many of the telltale qualities found in Good characters, namely Empathy. She is ambitious, but as an assassin she kills whoever she is told without a second thought for their families and dependents. You're perfectly welcome to see her as other than Evil, but I'm not sure I could be convinced of it.

Poro Princess1 votes

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If you actually look at her lore, you'll find a lack of many of the telltale qualities found in Good characters, namely Empathy. She is ambitious, but as an assassin she kills whoever she is told without a second thought for their families and dependents. You're perfectly welcome to see her as other than Evil, but I'm not sure I could be convinced of it.

She has empathy. Just not for those who are her targets. Her job is to assassinate, and thinking of her targets as people would certainly obstruct her efficiency as a killer. Think of modern day army soldiers: when they have to kill someone in battle, do you think they would think about their enemies as people? Of course not. It just makes it harder to do your job.

She has a lot of empathy towards her family: Talon, Cass, and her father.

At the same time, I do think she needs a lore update, there's so much potential for her character.

Talvaren2 votes

I would love to give my personal opinion on this matter. I've actually written down a PHYSICAL list and I would love to show it fro everyone one's opinion here. Also to note it has been updated up to Kayn.

Lawful Good - Azir ,Caitlyn ,Garen ,Heimerdinger ,Irelia ,Karma ,Kayle ,Leona ,MasterYi ,Nasus ,Poppy ,Quinn,Taric ,Teemo ,Tristana ,XinZhao ,MonkeyKing

Neutral Good - Alistar , Anivia , Ashe , Blitzcrank , Braum , Ezreal , Fizz , Galio , Ivern , Janna , JarvanIV , Jayce , Lux , Nami , Nunu , Soraka , Taliyah , Zac , Zilean

Chaotic Good - Ahri , Ekko , Kassadin , Maokai , MissFortune , Rakan , Ryze , Shyvana , Tryndamere , Vayne , Vi , Xayah , Yasuo , Yorick , Ziggs

Lawful Neutral - Camille , Fiora , Kalista , Katarina , LeeSin , Lucian , Riven , Sejuani , Volibear

True Neutral - Akali , Amumu , Bard , Gnar , Gragas , Illaoi , Jax , Kennen , Kindred , Malphite , Nautilus , Nidalee , Orianna , Rammus , RekSai , Shen , Skarner , Sona

Chaotic Neutral - Annie , AurelionSol , Corki , Diana , Draven , Graves , Kled , KogMaw , Lulu , Olaf , Pantheon , Rengar , Rumble , Sivir , Talon , Trundle , TwistedFate , Twitch , Udyr , Varus , Velkoz , Zyra

Lawful Evil - Darius , Hecarim , Karthus , Kayn , Lissandra , Mordekaiser , Singed , Swain , Veigar , Viktor , Xerath , Zed

Neutral Evil - Cassiopeia , Elise , Evelynn , Gangplank , Leblanc , Malzahar , Nocturne , TahmKench , Vladimir

Chaotic Evil - Aatrox , Brand , Chogath , DrMundo , Fiddlesticks , Jhin , Jinx , Kayn (Rhaast), Khazix , Morgana , Renekton , Shaco , Sion , Syndra , Karthus , Urgot , Warwick

SwimyFish1 votes

Dude holy shit ILU! It's going to take a while, but I want to cross reference this with mine to see what we had the same and what was different, just as a start. As a note, I don't see anything wrong with having disagreements, that just means we both have interesting and differing opinions on the interpretations of champion lore that are likely equally valid!

Edit: I got through just Lawful Good and we already disagreed on more than half of them, lol. I'd really like to hear you arguments on some of them, like Wukong being Lawful Good while Lux and Malphite aren't. I'll look through the rest of your list later, as it's pretty late and I'm tired, but you definitely have a different take on most of this than me, which is awesome!

Not gonna do the cross reference though, I've already spent so much time on this and I'm kinda burnt out, maybe in a couple days.

Talvaren2 votes

So to answer so far....

MonkeyKing : With the Monkey King I originally pinned him as Chaotic Good, but after his Vastaya update his lore, and personal story, just made him sound like he became more Lawful Good.

Malphite : Malphite, given his old, current, and possibly outdated lore, just strikes me as a True Neutral. He is a being who is trying bring his own brand of order to Valoran, and I think that makes it so anyone could be his enemy, and yet he is not actively seeking them. Also we don't know EXACTLY what he considers to be orderly and chaotic. For all we know, the magic fearing/hating country of Demacia could be chaotic to him.

Lux : Given her new lore, and even b4 that, the character came across as someone as "truly, purely, good". She will abide by the laws, for obvious reasons, but should the laws get in the way of her doing what she feels is right then she wont be holding back.

GreenLore1 votes

I disagree with some(won't list everyone because I'm lazy :p) Blitzcrank he is mostly interested in helping people and there are barely any laws in Zaun anyway,so I doubt that he is lawful good,he is most likely neutral good.

AurelionSol seems more neutral than good.He share his secrets about the universe with the targonians because he wanted to help them,he did it because he was bored and thought it might be cool to hang out with some mortals.

Akali and Shen follow the codes of the kinkou,which would make them lawful.

DrMundo is actually a kinda weird case.Yes he kills people,but he thinks he is helping them instead,meaning that in a certain way,Mundo could be considered chaotic good.Though in actuality I think he is too insane to be properly listed here.

Jhin is definetly chaotic evil.Neutral evil people murder because they gain something of it.Jhin however murders because he just can't resist the urge to kill people,which is seen in his short story,where he murders a maid simply because he wanted to make her face more "interesting"

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

I thought Jhin wanted to murder her, but didn't because he didn't have the time?

GreenLore2 votes

He hesitated at first,but ultimately couldn't resist the urge to kill her.

SwimyFish1 votes

Blitzcrank : I feel like as a robot, he may indeed literally be bound by a certain code of honor, in that he is literally coded and likely has certain conventions he can no break. I will agree he likely would break them to help people if he even can though.

AurelionSol : Just has really complex and ambiguous motivation, not sure he really fits well in any of these Alignments.

Akali and Shen : Again I'll quote from Akali's lore: "Order, chaos, light, darkness -- all things must exist in perfect harmony for such is the way of the universe." The Kinkou Order is very literally dedicated to preserving a certain amount of Chaos along with Order. Sure they are bound by the rules of the Order, but those rules are by definition also very flexible and certainly at some times Chaotic.

DrMundo : Dr. Mundo may on some surface level think he is helping people, however he definitely values his own pleasure he takes from his "operations" over any harm he does to his victims.

Jhin : "An example of the second type would be a masked killer who strikes only for the sake of causing fear and distrust in the community." This is a quote from the page I linked. It describes a subset of Neutral Evil characters whose motivations are to kill or instill fear just for the value or beauty found in doing so, and it describes Jhin to a T in my opinion.

These are just my thoughts, and your opinions were all well thought out and are just as valid. Thanks for sharing!

GreenLore1 votes

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Blitzcrank : I feel like as a robot, he may indeed literally be bound by a certain code of honor, in that he is literally coded and likely has certain conventions he can no break. I will agree he likely would break them to help people if he even can though.

Well he broke free of his programming on his own. He even decided that staying with Viktor was not the best use of his

AurelionSol : Just has really complex and ambiguous motivation, not sure he really fits well in any of these Alignments.

I mean when has he ever helped anyone? The only time he did it was when he visited the targonians,which he did for his own reason.

Akali and Shen : Again I'll quote from Akali's lore: "Order, chaos, light, darkness -- all things must exist in perfect harmony for such is the way of the universe." The Kinkou Order is very literally dedicated to preserving a certain amount of Chaos along with Order. Sure they are bound by the rules of the Order, but those rules are by definition also very flexible and certainly at some times Chaotic.

Well Akalis lore is rather outdated and the kinkous are about preserving the balance,but that doesn't mean that the order itself is chaotic.

DrMundo : Dr. Mundo may on some surface level think he is helping people, however he definitely values his own pleasure he takes from his "operations" over any harm he does to his victims.

Have you even read his short story? Mundo is literally running around,seeing people,assuming they are ill and trying to heal them with his cleaver.He is sad when Ekko escapes,because he wanted to help Ekko,while he thinks that he helped someone when he dismembered him. http://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/story/drmundo-color-story/

Jhin : "An example of the second type would be a masked killer who strikes only for the sake of causing fear and distrust in the community." This is a quote from the page I linked. It describes a subset of Neutral Evil characters whose motivations are to kill or instill fear just for the value or beauty found in doing so, and it describes Jhin to a T in my opinion.

These are just my thoughts, and your opinions were all well thought out and are just as valid. Thanks for sharing!

Well it also says that a neutral evil character will not "go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit for themselves" and even named "assassin who has little regard for formal laws but does not needlessly kill" as an example,which is the opposite of Jhin,who always kills 4 people,regardless of how many he is supposed to kill.

And the example that you noted was a specific example of the kind of NE character who "holds up evil as an ideal, doing evil for evil's sake and trying to spread its influence.",which doesn't fit Jhin either.

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