The only people who think that the IoW was a good idea would make terrible authors

The5lacker·10/25/2014, 1:20:45 AM·8 votes·1,799 views

Inflammatory comment? Yes, but it's also true. The IoW was a lazy writing crutch and people are excessively emotionally attached to it. Imagine if, in Game of Thrones, as opposed to having different alliances and relations they went "And every character ever was in a Tournament and all fought regularly because reasons."

That's a stupid story. That was also Leagues story during the IoW. Now, we can go from some shitty GM's excuse plot for getting the party together to full-fledged Game of Thrones-esque machinations.

And people are complaining about that.

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Hrud10/25/2014, 2:23:03 AM8 votes

Inflammatory comment? Yes, but it's also true. The IoW was a lazy writing crutch and people are excessively emotionally attached to it. Imagine if, in Game of Thrones, as opposed to having different alliances and relations they went "And every character ever was in a Tournament and all fought regularly because reasons."

That's a stupid story. That was also Leagues story during the IoW. Now, we can go from some shitty GM's excuse plot for getting the party together to full-fledged Game of Thrones-esque machinations.

And people are complaining about that.

Well, you know, maybe, just MAYBE, some people actually liked the idea of the IOW, and maybe, just maybe, some people don't see Game of Thrones as the End All Be All model that everyone and everything must follow.

DG Ashabel10/25/2014, 2:29:49 AM6 votes

It's a good thing that nobody in the United Nations ever published a book, then.

Oh wait.

Criomhthann10/25/2014, 2:34:33 AM5 votes

First off, LoL and ASoIaF aren't comparable and never could be. For starters, ASoIaF is building towards a pre-planned conclusion; League has no capacity to do so.

Second, adopting an ASoIaF style killing of characters would damage the IP. LoL is expected to bring in continuous profit not only through the game itself but through other marketing areas. Comics, movies, toys, etc. ASoIaF's profit comes from the main series and then from spin offs and expansions to the universe (hence, the World of Ice and Fire).

Finally, for inflammatory, you would make a terrible writer. Getting rid of one supposedly lazy writing (your commentary suggests you didn't even bother to read old lore prior to making this thread, and been operating entirely on red posts for representation) ploy to adopt an equally lazy suggestion that amounts to "let's copy George's style". Something which others are already starting to do, much like how everyone and their mothers were producing Darker and Edgier Magical Girl series after Madoka Magika aired.

I'm missing something... oh right; Jon ~~Targaryen~~ Snow dies. Stay rustled.

Earl Eulrich10/25/2014, 2:42:07 PM3 votes

people are excessively emotionally attached to it

If people get emotionally attched to sth. that already indicates somehow that it had been rather good writing.

Diahane10/28/2014, 11:56:59 PM2 votes

Inflammatory comment? Yes, but it's also true. The IoW was a lazy writing crutch and people are excessively emotionally attached to it. Imagine if, in Game of Thrones, as opposed to having different alliances and relations they went "And every character ever was in a Tournament and all fought regularly because reasons."

That's a stupid story. That was also Leagues story during the IoW. Now, we can go from some shitty GM's excuse plot for getting the party together to full-fledged Game of Thrones-esque machinations.

And people are complaining about that.

Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe if someone wanted a Game of Throne-esque thing said someone could just read Martin's books? =V

Besides, machinations were portrayed in LoL with the IoW still there, namely with the Kalamanda arc in the Journal of Justice. If those were not machinations deign of praise... Last but not least, everything sounds dumb if you summarize, oversimplify and present it in a dumb way. LoL's old lore was more like: "Every character ever was sometimes in sanctioned matches aimed at solving political disputes and all fought to progress their faction's agenda and their own one. In their free time they had lives and occupations and relations spanning from being drinking buddies to plotting an international conspiracy to become Grand General of Noxus, passing through kidnapping another champion's daughter to sacrifice her to the Void and grind said champions gears." Yeah, no machinations nor relations there. It was just all fun and games before. How couldn't we old lore lovers notice? =V

I don't want to be demeaning, but it's starting to get frustrating reading people always downplaying the old content by stressing and oversimplifying only a part of it and ignoring its most interesting one, namely the JoJ and the good things they managed to achieve therein.

NeoJusteBelmont10/25/2014, 1:41:16 AM2 votes

This is a solid statement for someone who's sick of people who keeps harping about "No IoW, no reason for everyone to get together! BAAAAD LORE!"

Well in that case, topic creator, can I issue a challenge?

Can you make up about a way for these champions from various different regions to STILL interact with each other (especially those outside their regions, like, Ashe (Freljord) with Demacia) WITHOUT the Institute of War? Who knows, maybe Riot would stumble upon it and then gets like "Hey, that's awesome. Implement it!"

Sozan510/25/2014, 2:48:42 AM2 votes

Yes. Institute of war was holding the League lore back. But let's be serious, even without it, the lore isn't any better than it was back then (and champions stopped joining the league in their lores a long time ago). That of course is not a big deal. This is a video game that's based on PvP. Lore doesn't have to be a masterpiece, but it is good to have one (Journal of Justice was nice for example).

On the other hand, they should really give some lore explanation as to why champions fight in the League of Legends, or at least delete all champion quotes that say "Summoner" or otherwise directly speak to them (so, for example "I go" or even "As ordered" is fine, while "You only need to click once, fool!" is not).

IMO the good (albeit a cliche one) explanation that wouldn't hold them back would be simply stating that League of Legends exists in another plane of existence and the whole Runeterra and champions don't realize it until they are summoned (and of course memories are wiped clean after the game). Summoners of course would do it for amusement (well, Summoners are basically players so that would fit).

Jon ~~Targaryen~~ Snow dies.

It's not 100% confirmed that Jon is in fact Targaryen (though, I won't be surprised if he is - bah, I believe he is) and we didn't really see any real evidence that he's dead. Being stabbed by multiple knives is not enough!

Stars Shaper10/25/2014, 10:44:50 AM2 votes

By all the TV series coming out I guess most flavored "authors" aren't even worth that much.

Game of Thrones? LoL lets make incests and settle battles by main guis bein killed in a treason act. No epic stuff for you.

Braking Bad? Hi I'm ill and I want free drugs

Any Fantasy new tale We'll rip off lord of the rings/silmarillion and make it look like it was our idea all along.

ULTRAF0RCE10/25/2014, 2:18:13 PM1 votes

DISCLAIMER : I have never read the books or watched the series that Game of Thrones is part of in fact Narnia is the main fantasy world in literature that I am very familiar with.

I believe that the Institute of War even though it was a crutch was useful because as a crutch it was a permanent get out of jail free card. If for example Riot Games did not know how to end the Freljord event and wanted to end the story. It would be possible to say the Institute of War forced them to stop fighting temporarily. Yes, it would be lazy, yes people would be annoyed but, it allowed the writers to have interesting events that got them stuck in a wall without fear.

Now Riot Games has to be more careful about how they create the stories because there are people who are annoyed by not knowing how Sivir is the descendant of Azir if the royal family died, the Institute of War being a Deus Ex Machina could just have it be stated that the summoners were able to go back in time and remove Sivir as a young child moments before the death of her family because of the faulty Ascension.

AK47WOLF10/25/2014, 1:27:37 AM1 votes

Honestly I don't disagree. I think it's just one of the things that has upset people though, not the be-all-end-all. If the Shurima retcons were a little more fleshed out (ie. Renekton having more than 2 sentences of lore) it may have gone over better.