If We Remove Grave's Cigar....Why Dont We

Dreamspitter··1 votes·1,334 views

Remove Gragas alcohol.

We can replace it with grape drink and root beer in his skins. We'll make him a guzzler of the fizziest drinks around.

Hell, they can do a damn tie in with

#Mountain Dew.

I mean World of Warcraft did a promotion with Dew some years back, it can work for league too.

Silver's remark on the matter with Graves

I can give a bit of context on why the cigar was removed. Essentially, there was a significant risk of censorship or age rating problems in various regions based on the depiction of tobacco usage. This kind of thing is pretty strictly enforced in parts of the world, and in this case it became clear that we needed to remove the cigar in his splash. The relevant laws sometimes apply differently depending on content type, which is why something that might work in peripheral content like a cinematic may not work in content like splashes that are tied specifically to the core game.

I can also speak a bit as to why we wouldn't create multiple splashes in response to this kind of issue. One of our goals moving forward with splash art, compared to how things have been done in the past, is to create content for all regions. In the past we've created modified or entirely different splashes based on the needs or appeal of certain regions, but this is something we've been working to change moving forward. Where possible, we want to stay away from sharding the game unnecessarily for different regions. It may seem like a small thing in this case, but we believe that being consistent with this artistic approach best allows for a common community and common stories for players to experience and share with each other.

-Silver"

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/QU1FzRg5-graves-cigar-got-removed?comment=000f

19 Comments

LordHippoman4 votes

It's like the China skeleton thing. They aren't removing it because of the ESRB (Alcohol and Tobacco fit under the same umbrella with them), but because of certain other regions. If the removal of a cigar is all it takes for someone to hate Graves' new splash they probably didn't like it all that much in the first place.

SchaakaKon1 votes

Your looking at it too narrowly, if Riot removes a cigar because it offends someone. That means Riot will never add a religion because itll offend someone. Homosexuallity will certainly never happen in this train of thought. Riot will be too scared to make moves because itll offend a few.

You see the greater picture? We dgaf about a cigar, its the dirrection that Riot has chosen to take.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

China

Said

NO

SchaakaKon1 votes

Is China the region cock blocking this?

Fuck.. money always wins

GreenLore1 votes

uhm there is already a religion in runeterra,we have the solari who worship the sun. We also have the void-cultists and the lunari,not to mention karthus who worships death.

Also graves cigar was never a big part of his character,it was only seen in his cinematic,that doesn't mean that he smokes all the time.

Gross1 votes

It's like the China skeleton thing. They aren't removing it because of the ESRB (Alcohol and Tobacco fit under the same umbrella with them), but because of certain other regions. If the removal of a cigar is all it takes for someone to hate Graves' new splash they probably didn't like it all that much in the first place.

I doubt it's a regional thing. There's no region that outright looks down upon smoking more than any other region. Skeletons were only removed because Tencent owns Riot, and Riot has to do what they say. If it's another region, they wouldn't care.

But IIRC, there was a LoL tournament held in somewhere, where women couldn't show skin, so every female champion was banned from the tournament, except Annie and Anivia, and maybe Lulu? Yet there they are, still in the game.

Dreamspitter1 votes

It's like the China skeleton thing. They aren't removing it because of the ESRB (Alcohol and Tobacco fit under the same umbrella with them), but because of certain other regions. If the removal of a cigar is all it takes for someone to hate Graves' new splash they probably didn't like it all that much in the first place.

What regions are these........Australia?

Featherztorm2 votes

Certainly they should remove Alcohol consumption in this game if they remove a Cigar. The game is rated T for teen, and this is what generally follows T for teen, as it surely follows League's ESRB :

  • Content Descriptors: Blood, Fantasy Violence, Mild Suggestive Themes, Use of Alcohol and Tobacco -

Cmon riot. If parents don't allow kids to play the game because of a Cigar, then they shouldn't be playing it to start. Remove blood, remove violence, remove the scanty apparel of a lot of the female champions. That's the only way to even the playing fields.

Deep Terror Nami7 votes

Neither of you seem to understand the issue, then. Tobacco use is censored in the areas Riot is addressing with this change, but not alcohol. You appear to associate the two, but the laws concerned here do not.

Featherztorm1 votes

I certainly am NOT understanding the issue. They allow audiences to see guns, near nude females, alcohol consumption, blood, violence. There are regions in the world that restrict guns, violence, near nudity, killing, and anything else that this game puts out, but do they censor it? No. Quake 3 was banned from sales in Germany for having too much violence, blood and gore. Not just for one of the models smoking a Cigar (sarge). Come on, now. If they go forward with one restriction, then they might as well press on with every other restriction on this here good Earth.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

It doesn't matter what we think on each individual issue, it matters what their censor laws are...Riot is not doing it because of their opinion on it.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Bro, learn to read. China said NO

I'm not happy either, but is either Cigar or China

Riot chose China

I silently wait for the day China's people rebel and we dont have to cater to their f'd up government anymore <3

Gross1 votes

Bro, learn to read. China said NO

I'm not happy either, but is either Cigar or China

Riot chose China

I silently wait for the day China's people rebel and we dont have to cater to their f'd up government anymore <3

Was it really China? Does China really look down upon cigars that much?

Featherztorm1 votes

Idc who said no. I didn't make mention of one place saying no to Riots decision, did I? Maybe you are the one who should learn to read.

If Riot censors based on one places beliefs, than it's only fair to remain completely neutral to the situation and cater to every regions selective restrictions.

Dreamspitter1 votes

Neither of you seem to understand the issue, then. Tobacco use is censored in the areas Riot is addressing with this change, but not alcohol. You appear to associate the two, but the laws concerned here do not.

And my point is -why IS tobacco WORSE than alcohol?

It aint.

So if you're taking the lesser of those that seriously in these nations, why not the other?

To say nothing of the fact, that

#EVERYTHING

is censored or disliked, or offensive somewhere.

Everything. http://kotaku.com/female-league-of-legends-characters-banned-at-an-irania-1213754332

Whether skulls and bones, tobacco, or hot women that dont cover their hair or body.

If Riot tries to adapt to EVERYONE.

#One day...there will be nothing left.

Samflash31 votes

Also, people don't have a big gut from guzzling grape juice. It's supposed to be healthy. They'd be sending the wrong message to impressionable people. Pretty soon, everyone will soon agree that Lissandra is the most balanced League of Legends champion which is clearly NOT the case.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

u drunk m8?

ChelsterSkelter1 votes

I <3 drunk Gragas

Dreamspitter1 votes

@ Downvotes -sarcasm is lost on some people.

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