The Factions' current roster sizes.

Solideus·Jul 29, 2015·2 votes·1,306 views

(This does not completely reflect what's listed on the official site.) Do you think an effort should be made with future releases to make the size of each faction more equal? Kumungu and Targon are the smallest, Kumungu barely being a faction, it being made up of independent champions. 10 champions are independent; should any of those be incorporated into a faction to some extent, do you think?

Ionia - - - - - - - - - -15 Demacia - - - - - - 13 Freljord - - - - - - - 12 Bandle City - - - -10 Noxus - - - - - - - - 10 Zaun - - - - - - - - - 10 Shadow Isles - - 9 Shurima - - - - - - -9 Bilgewater - - - - -8 The Void - - - - - - 7 Piltover - - - - - - - 6 Targon - - - - - - - -4 Kumungu - - - - - -3 - Barely a faction. Independent - - 10

( put in Targon; put in Freljord; put in Bilgewater; put in Zaun; put in Piltover) Edit: Moved Wukong to Ionia.

23 Comments

SharjoJul 29, 20152 votes

I would say MonkeyKing shouldn't be classified as a Kumungu champion because of his relationship with MasterYi . He's pretty much a resident Ionian at this point. I feel like they might end up retconning out Wukong even coming from the Plague Jungles but that's just me. Either way I wouldn't put him there.

Alistar I agree with; greek minotaurs being linked to the greek place in League? Sounds about right.

Udyr 's already aligned with the Winter's Claw in Freljord and was born in Freljord, so while he's been an ally of Ionia there should be no doubts by now that he's a Freljordian.

Nami I agree with this one to; even though she's not from Bilgewater a lot of her story will likely take place there, given the nature of the place.

Urgot is still Noxian imo, he just got a little help staying alive from some Zaun techmaturgy. The dude is, and likely will continue to remain Noxian.

Zilean kinda doesn't make any sense really. The dude's from Urtistan so it'd make more sense saying he's Shuriman, considering Urtistan's likely located in the Shurima Desert, or even just independent.

Also I went and checked the lol champion pages for Panth, Diana and Leona because I wondered if they had Targon listed as a region or if they were independent. They do have Targon listed thank god, I thought they didn't!

SolideusJul 29, 20151 votes

Fair feedback! I really just put Wukong in Kumungu because Ionia is the biggest faction and Kumungu is the smallest; but really, Kumungu is barely a faction. He's in a similar situation to Udyr, except for still remaining in Ionia. In Kumungu he seemed pretty independent, but that's true for all the kumungians. I might actually move him to Ionia.

I'm of the opposite opinion regarding Urgot; Zaun making him a cyborg is definitely what defines him; from a Noxian perspective he'd just be a lesser Sion-story. Zaun is where his story potential is. I bet they'll downplay or remove his Noxian elements when the rework comes.

Zilean is truly an enigma. There's really no indication what'll be done with him, so I put him in Piltover like the official site says. I'd say Riot could go anywhere with him; it's a mystery at this point.

GreenLoreJul 29, 20151 votes

Did you count Sona as ionian or demacian?Sure she was born in Ionia,but she now lives in demacia(and appearantly grew up there) or did you count Bard as ionian?

I think independent champs are ok as long as they still have their place in the lore(unlike Ryze who has currently no point of origin,no known place to live and we don't know anything about him)

SolideusJul 29, 20151 votes

Counted Sona into Demacia because she was adopted into citizenship, as oposed to just living there. Bard I'd say is independent.

GreenLoreJul 29, 20151 votes

Then how did you count 14 Ionians? Ahri Akali Irelia Karma Kennen LeeSin MasterYi Soraka Syndra Shen Varus Yasuo Zed are 13.Did I miss anyone? Normally I'd count MonkeyKing to them,but you said you counted him as a kumungu champ.

SolideusJul 29, 20151 votes

Jax is also Ionian. I also edited Wukong back into Ionia.

GreenLoreJul 29, 20152 votes

Ah dang it,I forgot that the official site lists him as Ionian,thanks for clarification :)

SlackerboyTCJul 29, 20151 votes

Those placements for zilean and udyr make no sense, udyr shouild be in kumungu and zil should be unaffiliated

SolideusJul 29, 20156 votes

Udyr has never been associated with Kumungu.

insaiyanbaccaJul 29, 20151 votes

udyr has no connection to kumungu he does however have connections to both ionia and freljord but its a better connection to freljord

Jeddy017Jul 29, 20151 votes

So is Annie considered a independent or a Noxian? Since her family & the Gray Order left Noxus years before she was born in her lore,I imagine she's an independent.Though,I don't know how much of this is canon now since she have been starved of narrative love for years (all she got is her bio).

SolideusJul 29, 20152 votes

Independent, as on the official site.

GreenLoreJul 29, 20151 votes

So Trying to put the champs to their respective factions: Ionia(15): Ahri Akali Irelia Jax Karma Kennen LeeSin MasterYi Shen Soraka Syndra Varus MonkeyKing Yasuo Zed

Demacia(13): Fiora Galio Garen JarvanIV Kayle Lucian Lux Quinn Shyvana Sona Taric Vayne XinZhao (I assume you counted kayle and Taric to demacia based on the official site and counted poppy as a bandle champ)

Freljord(12): Avarosan(6): Anivia Ashe Braum Gragas Nunu Tryndamere Winters claw(4): Sejuani Olaf Volibear Udyr Frostguard(2): Lissandra Trundle

Bandle City(10) Corki Heimerdinger Gnar Lulu Poppy Rumble Teemo Tristana Veigar Ziggs

Noxus(10) Darius Draven Katarina Leblanc Morgana Riven Sion Swain Talon Vladimir (I assume you counted Cassio towards shurima)

Zaun(10) Blitzcrank DrMundo Ekko Jinx Singed Twitch Urgot Viktor Warwick Zac

Shadow Isles(9) Elise Evelynn Hecarim Kalista Karthus Maokai Mordekaiser Thresh Yorick

Shuirma(9) Amumu Azir Cassiopeia Nasus Rammus Renekton Sivir Skarner Xerath

Bilgewater(8) Fizz Gangplank Graves MissFortune Nami Nautilus TahmKench TwistedFate

Void(7) Chogath Kassadin Khazix KogMaw Malzahar RekSai Velkoz

Piltover(6) Caitlyn Ezreal Jayce Orianna Zilean

Targon(4) Alistar Diana Leona Pantheon

Kumungu(3) Nidalee Rengar Zyra

Others(10) Aatrox Annie Bard Fiddlesticks Janna Malphite Nocturne Ryze Shaco

Personally I'd say that Poppy would fit more with Demacia and urgot&Cassiopeia more with Noxus,I mean Poppy now works for demacia if I'm not mistaken and even though Urgot&Cassiopeia gained their powers elsewhere and their stories play at a different location doesn't mean they aren't noxians.(otherwise we could also count Kha'Zix as a kumungu champ and Rek'sai as a shurima champ,the 2 have no real connection to the void anymore,except from originating from the void)

As for putting the others into factions: I think Malphite would fit into the Targon faction(because Targon is a mountain and Malphite is a rock...),Janna could be still counted towards zaun,even if she doesn't live there anymore(I mean riven is also counted as a noxian even if she left that place) and Brand could be seen as being from the freljord,because he was frozen in there and its implied that he has a connection to lissandra.

SolideusJul 29, 20152 votes

I'd personally like Poppy to represent Bandle City, but we'll see where the VU takes her. Urgot and Cassiopeia are where they are because that's the factions I assume will be core to their characters and stories going forward; that's the narrative space they belong in. The Void is similarly not about affiliation, but narrative space.

I agree about Malphite and Brand, although there's too little yet to assume that'll be the case. Janna is in a similar position to Zilean in that her background doesn't really have legs right now, and its hard to tell what affiliation and role she'll have in the future. The details might change a lot. I'd personally like her moved to Targon, actually. Even if the current story remains, I'd argue Riven should still be considered Noxian in that the ideology and Noxus' redemption drives her, as opposed to Janna that simply cut ties with Zaun.

GreenLoreJul 29, 20151 votes

Though the thing about the void is that Kha'zix and Rek'sai aren't really that connected to the void.

Kha is seemingly roaming the jungles and hunting prey to get stronger,so that he can eventually kill rengar,so his story would also take place mostly in the Kumungu jungles.

Rek on the other hand is busy having her own territory in Shurima,judging from the red posts she wouldn't even tolerate other void-creatures in her territory,so I doubt that her story is going to be connected to the void as a whole and that it is going to be more connected to Shurima.

And I think in the case of Urgot,Cassio and Janna it probably depends on what your way of categorizing the champs.I'd say that if a champ thinks of him/herself as being part of a certain nation,then that should take priority over where the story of the champ is going to take place,but in the end its just a matter of opinion,or in Jannas case its the fact that she has primarly a connection to Zaun(and I doubt they are going to retcon that,otherwise Ekko wouldn't have an interaction with her) and with no other city state.

SolideusJul 29, 20151 votes

Kha and Rengar aren't explicitly belonging or confined to Kumungu. For Kha'Zix, in particular, it doesn't really matter where he is, but what he is. I could see them write about their rivalry, but for anything more plot-heavy Kha'Zax's origins would define his role.

Rek'Sai I assume will have some part in a fleshing-out of the history alluded to between Shurima and the Void. If she's ever anything more important than an obstacle to overcome in a story, I bet it'll be related to the Void. Voidborn are defined by being from the Void, like a demon from hell would still be considered a demon from hell after a thousand years on earth. It's unlikely the voidborn will affiliate with any other faction or anything. Similarly, Cassio and Urgot won't likely be involved in explicitly Noxian stories within any foreseeable future; it'll be all about Shurima and Zaun for them.

Janna have had some associations with Piltover too I think, but personally I think her character needs to be re-examined a bit. She just doesn't fit into that setting, you know? Ekko's taunt is pretty empty and joke-y, so I doubt it binds her to Zaun if they'd want to take her another direction.

The SoulforgedJul 29, 20151 votes

Poppy is ambassador to Demacia from bandle city. She lives in Demacia, but she is working on behalf of Bandle City. Janna with her lore is originally from zuan, but moved to piltover and lives there at the moment, so I'll really place her firmly in Piltover. I agree with your Riven considering she just cut ties with the military, but wouldn't be considered part of a faction anywhere else.

SolideusJul 29, 20151 votes

Poppy's VU will clear up her affiliations, hopefully. Janna has pretty outdated lore, but is still never described as more than "an indirect ally of the city-state of Piltover". Her lore could change pretty dramatically in the future. Riven, while being in self-imposed exile, definitely considers herself a Noxian at heart, I agree.

The SoulforgedJul 29, 20151 votes

Thing with Janna is, in the old lore, which this part I hope is still cannon, she and Zilean worked together to win a balloon competition :D I think that was it.

insaiyanbaccaJul 29, 20151 votes

cassiopia honestly has a better connection to noxus then shruima seen as you know she's a of a noxian noble family and all, aslo annie's parent's were/are noxians so she could be associated with noxus

GreenLoreJul 29, 20151 votes

thats pretty much what I said. I just tried to figure out how the opener of this thread categorized the characters and since he listed 9 shurima champs and only 10 noxus champs he had to count cassiopeia towards Shurima.

DWT12345Jul 29, 20151 votes

FYI Heimerdinger and Ziggs are both in Piltover, so you should boost that up to 8 instead of 6.

SolideusJul 29, 20151 votes

While married to their work with hexmathurgy, I don't think they ally politically with Piltover and consider Bandle City their true home-of-hearts.