So with many of the other magic users in League, we have a source of their magic as well as its clear classification. Lux uses light magic, Vladimir uses blood magic, LeBlanc uses illusion magic, etc.
But what sort of magic does Swain use? Is it raven sorcery or something like that? And what is the source of his powers? A deal with a dark force?
Sharjo6 votesDemon magic.
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We don't really know. Swain's an enigma as are his powers and Beatrice. The implications nowadays is that Beatrice is a demon of some kind, but of course the theories about Swain and Beatrice are long lived and nothing new. Either way Beatrice seems to be linked to Swain's powers, what exactly that means is unknown.
Hopefully it'll be expanded further when he gets reworked, which is hopefully gonna be next year. Alternatively hopefully they just update his lore this year but eh, who knows.
Brutusness1 votesYeah, the idea of him being linked to a demonic power through Beatrice is definitely the most lasting theory. Also, the similarities between his bird form and keen mind for plotting and tactics, and the Lords of Change and their master Tzeentch from Warhammer 40K are very easy to see. The fact that a Warhammer writer has joined the narrative team makes me think we'll be seeing more of a Tzeentch influence on Swain's character in the future.
Fasmodey1 votesYeah, the idea of him being linked to a demonic power through Beatrice is definitely the most lasting theory. Also, the similarities between his bird form and keen mind for plotting and tactics, and the Lords of Change and their master Tzeentch from Warhammer 40K are very easy to see. The fact that a Warhammer writer has joined the narrative team makes me think we'll be seeing more of a Tzeentch influence on Swain's character in the future.
How the fuck couldn't I notice the similarity between Tzeentch and Swain? For fuck sake please kill me. My life is a lie, I have no meaning, I don't even deserve to live.
wth
Automatis4 votesSwain doesn't have magic.
Swain isn't even alive.
Swain is a meat puppet for Beatrice.
redniwediS3 votesListen to what Aurelion Sol has to say. Humans and Yordles like to classify magic, but magic doesn't actually function based on categories. Classification helps us understand it but doesn't really tell us anything about how it works.
Fasmodey1 votesListen to what Aurelion Sol has to say. Humans and Yordles like to classify magic, but magic doesn't actually function based on categories. Classification helps us understand it but doesn't really tell us anything about how it works.
Aurelion Sol isn't master of magic tho. Xerath is someone who is better to trust on magic case.
Also, where does he say it?
Neamean1 votesBut Aurelion is beyond human comprehension he can enlighten us with his different perspective.
redniwediS5 votesIt's one of his taunts to Ryze.
"True magic is beyond language. Writing merely butchers the intent."
Xerath is still a mortal who has only studied the ancient writings of other mortals. Aurelion Sol, in the lore at least, is far above the Ascended when it comes to strength and understanding. He's been around since the beginning of their universe after all.
I'll admit there's not a whole lot to work off of considering the nature of magic in their universe, but between Aurelion Sol's quotes and lore, along with older lore, it seems like magic is something that simply follows the will of it's user, rather than following a set of rules.
Fasmodey2 votesIt's one of his taunts to Ryze.
"True magic is beyond language. Writing merely butchers the intent."
Xerath is still a mortal who has only studied the ancient writings of other mortals. Aurelion Sol, in the lore at least, is far above the Ascended when it comes to strength and understanding. He's been around since the beginning of their universe after all.
I'll admit there's not a whole lot to work off of considering the nature of magic in their universe, but between Aurelion Sol's quotes and lore, along with older lore, it seems like magic is something that simply follows the will of it's user, rather than following a set of rules.
Xerath is no more mortal and his power causes any spell to reach critic level. If a human mage and Xerath used same spell, Xerath would make it much more powerful than human mage. So, Xerath knows something about magic, ofc Ascension helps too tho.
If Aurelion Sol was master of magic, he would sense the cruel magic of Targon and not get subdued. He is utterly, exteremely, vastly powerful entity, but he is not a '' magic guy ''.
redniwediS2 votesXerath is an Ascended. The Ascended are mortal. They live for a very long time, but they do die.
Aurelion Sol does not die. He has been around since the beginning, and he will be around until the end. He knows far more about magic than some infused human mage.
Fasmodey1 votesXerath is an Ascended. The Ascended are mortal. They live for a very long time, but they do die.
Aurelion Sol does not die. He has been around since the beginning, and he will be around until the end. He knows far more about magic than some infused human mage.
I dont know how can energy get aged, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask. (I already asked a lot question about Xerath)
It can make sense on other Ascended but Xerath is unique Ascended and no one saw someone like this before. I doubt about his aging.
Even if Xerath is not immortal, it doesn't matter. Aurelion Sol isn't immortal either. It is confirmed.
redniwediS1 votesThat depends on your definition of immortal. If Xerath is killed he doesn't come back, but I don't believe the same can be said for Aurelion. Sure he can be killed, but the process for doing so is far more complex.
Any chance you have a link to that confirmation? I'm interested to see what else it says.
As for the whole aging thing Xerath's body behaves by different rules now. For all we know his body would have become unstable and fell apart if not for the wards on the sarcophagus Nasus and Renekton attempted to use on him.
It's not a matter of energy aging, but there are things that can give him a set amount of time. Xerath isn't the energy after all, just as you and I are not just flesh and bone. We are the sum of the whole.
It's already been shown that magic can fade over time, so if Xerath's new form is pure, magical energy... well it's an interesting problem to say the least.
Fasmodey1 votesThat depends on your definition of immortal. If Xerath is killed he doesn't come back, but I don't believe the same can be said for Aurelion. Sure he can be killed, but the process for doing so is far more complex.
Any chance you have a link to that confirmation? I'm interested to see what else it says.
As for the whole aging thing Xerath's body behaves by different rules now. For all we know his body would have become unstable and fell apart if not for the wards on the sarcophagus Nasus and Renekton attempted to use on him.
It's not a matter of energy aging, but there are things that can give him a set amount of time. Xerath isn't the energy after all, just as you and I are not just flesh and bone. We are the sum of the whole.
It's already been shown that magic can fade over time, so if Xerath's new form is pure, magical energy... well it's an interesting problem to say the least.
Well, I don't know where did I read it, but I'm pretty sure celestial beings are not immortal. Even Bard can be killed with an equal power, so I didn't think Aurelion Sol is special snowflake. There is no immortal champion in LoL.
Both are made by magic, both can have a way to come back to life. Even a human did this, look at Azir. So if resurrection is correct for Aurelion Sol, I believe it is also correct for Xerath too.
'' For all we know his body would have become unstable and fell apart if not for the wards on the sarcophagus Nasus and Renekton attempted to use on him. ''
No we don't. A rioter said, may be but not as such. Also, Xerath is pretty intelligent to get his volatile powers, he knows his limits and try to fix them. So, Xerath wouldn't throw his sarcophagus off until he finds a way to control his full potential. Only thing he needs his more experience and stronger mental discipline.
'' It's already been shown that magic can fade over time, so if Xerath's new form is pure, magical energy... well it's an interesting problem to say the least. ''
Where does it say?
redniwediS1 votesWhere does it say?
Aurelion Sol's lore with the binding magic.
I guess I'll have to do some looking for those sources. Pity you didn't know where they were, I would have loved to read them.
Jet Sett1 votesAurelion Sol and Bard will eventually die, the only thing immortal is Kindred because Kindred is death incarnate. It's been confirmed by a Rioter that Aurelion was eventually going to die.
redniwediS1 votesIt really depends on your definition of immortality. Aurelion Sol will be around until the end, and when that end comes all that will be left are Lamb and Wolf.
But Aurelion will last until the end. Based on his own death quotes he cannot be killed by normal means. He can die, but he cannot be killed, which is one clear definition of immortality.
LordGeovanni1 votesIf there is nothing left to die death has no reason or means to live.
Stars Shaper1 votesAurelion Sol can use star fire and create celestial bodies which are the origin of every form of energy in the universe (except for soul energy which is bound to Nagakabouros, death which is an "happening" and chaos/consuming which is bound to the Void).
Stars are what originated the Aspects, the planets, Soraka and are "probably" the source of any form of magic.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YQlE5iUq,comment-id=000300000002,timestamp=2016-05-15T20:58:17.794+0000)
Aurelion Sol can use star fire and create celestial bodies which are the origin of every form of energy in the universe (except for soul energy which is bound to Nagakabouros, death which is an "happening" and chaos/consuming which is bound to the Void).
Stars are what originated the Aspects, the planets, Soraka and are "probably" the source of any form of magic.
'' create celestial bodies ''
I really don't know what are you talking about.
Stars Shaper1 votesUnless this is the joke I expect it to be...
Celestial Bodies = Stars and Planets
Planets are created from the matter expelled by Stars and Supernovas.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YQlE5iUq,comment-id=00030000000200000000,timestamp=2016-05-15T21:09:14.336+0000)
Unless this is the joke I expect it to be...
Celestial Bodies = Stars and Planets
Planets are created from the matter expelled by Stars and Supernovas.
He literally says he doesn't work too much on stars. It actually creates itself.
"First you start with some matter, then add star fire and voila! It basically does the rest itself."
He is vastly powerful, but he doesn't carry the all power of stars. He may be even weaker than an entire star's power.
The Last Ballad1 votesIf you take a grain of sand, put it into a clam, and the sand turns into a pearl, couldn't you say you created the pearl? You set off the beggining factor, that followed a chain reaction into the end result. Even though you did not do all of the work, it wouldn't of happened without you.
So yes, Sol does create the stars. They may grow both out of, and underneath, his care, but he was the reason they exist in the first place. They are his babies. He creates them, nurses them, then lets them live until they die.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Last Ballad,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YQlE5iUq,comment-id=0003000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T04:22:45.438+0000)
If you take a grain of sand, put it into a clam, and the sand turns into a pearl, couldn't you say you created the pearl? You set off the beggining factor, that followed a chain reaction into the end result. Even though you did not do all of the work, it wouldn't of happened without you.
So yes, Sol does create the stars. They may grow both out of, and underneath, his care, but he was the reason they exist in the first place. They are his babies. He creates them, nurses them, then lets them live until they die.
I didn't say he doesn't create them, but he doesn't work on them that much. He starts the reaction, it is his power. But there are some people who think Aurelion Sol carries all power of stars combined. Like they say, Aurelion Sol has the power of all cosmos, Xerath has just one star. Aurelion Sol > Xerath, confirmed. Well it is true, but not in this way.
LordGeovanni1 votesAurelion Sol created the Universe why would he know anything of magic. The Bing Bang .........Aurelion Sol' s first work.
Renascent2 votes
Black magickz
Moonboy651 voteshe uses Pirate and Bird magic
Fasmodey1 votesKFC magic with too much black pepper
np
Demopyro21 votesBird
Arakadia1 votesDemon magic is what I use for headcannon. He struck a deal with some demon looking raven, or a raven god idk. He payed the price of his leg, or lost it when fighting the demon. Or he did some ritual that went wrong and hurt his leg.
LordGeovanni1 votesHe is a Noxian General. Nuff said. -Rioto
Ironclad Dragon1 votesAsk the origins of Swain's powers nevermore.
Mirage Night1 votesI suspect a form of Necromancy. Much if it seems to be debilitating and life sustaining throw stealing life essence. Also the Raven has historical ties to such magic.