Good god, Jayce

midnight oil24··4 votes·932 views

Alright, I know that the lore is from Jayce's perspective and we don't have the Viktor lore yet, but I'm highly disappointed in the new Jayce lore. I always found Jayce to be an obnoxious jerk, and I was hoping that the new lore could redeem him. Instead, while it has a good enough start, it quickly devolves into a "look, even though he was an arrogant asshole who dismissed those who had difficulty for all those years, he just needed a push in the right direction!" story. Even worse, Viktor is depicted as a classic villain type: the old friend who goes insane and tries to kill the hero.

That is not what Viktor is about. Even worse, they outright state that Jayce doesn't think that Viktor cares about how people feel. Oh really Jayce? Isn't that the exact same thing you did for years that made countless people miserable?

So in the end Jayce destroys a bunch of sentient robots because he stopped thinking clearly and is praised as a hero and dubbed The Defender of Tomorrow even though he's spent years calling other people idiots and being a general asshole.

This man does not deserve another chance from the piltover folk. He is everything wrong with piltover. He is arrogant, finds himself to be superior to others, and then when he does one sort of good thing that involves smashing someone's life's work, everyone says he's amazing.

Jayce, you make me sick. Who here agrees with me?

32 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Jayce And then I drop an Acceleration Gate and blast 'em with a Hyper Charge!

For the Future!

To be fair, you don't know that Viktor isn't about starting his Glorious Evolution one way or another. Either way you slice it, in his old lore it clearly states that he doesn't have the morality he had as a full human, implying that it isn't as important as efficiency to him.

But I play Viktor, not Jayce, and even though he seems like a villain, know that he can still be an anti-hero as he's trying to help people via his own means.

midnight oil243 votes

I know that we haven't gotten the details on ol' viky yet, but I just feel like it's too big a step between "Hi, we're both anti-social jerks. Let's be friends." to "If you don't give me what I want, I'll fucking kill you."

Jayce also just gets treated like a hero too quickly for me. It's like, you do one mildly good thing in piltover and your past cruelty is disregarded.

Good Jayce meme, though.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

He wasn't cruel so much as distant. He never was outright mean to somebody, he was just the cold genius that nobody could match.

Also, this was after Vik was ostracized and likely went a little mad.

Thanks, I'll use that meme whenever Jayce is mentioned.

midnight oil241 votes

Maybe cruel is a bit of an exaggeration, but he was always walking up to people and being like, "Hey, you can't solve this incredibly complex equation? Wow, that's dumb." I don't care that no one could match him. I care that he never learned that you don't go around insulting people constantly. And then he suffers no consequences for the years and years of insults.

Viktor may have gone a little mad, but who hasn't?[slayer-jinx-wink] Seriously, though, it does seem like a really big step between two social outcasts who become friends due to their lack of friends and a guy who just orders automatons he's worked on for a long time to kill this guy.

Oelyk1 votes

Lets agree to disagree... I don't dislike Victor, but this is a classic archtype of old friend turned enemy, both on different paths destined to conflict...

I really like it, and you know Jayce is not a hero, he hailed because he did something the people deemed heroic.

It makes me want to like jayce, but also hate him. despite being a jayce main... I think its much better than the previous one, where he is an object... in this one he has character, he is Jayce.

midnight oil241 votes

I respect your opinion, but I still have some counter-arguments.

First, the archetype of old friend turned enemy seems kind of lazy to me.

Jayce, in my opinion, is a very good metaphor for Piltover. He spends all his time being distant and arrogant, but when someone does something he doesn't like he beats the crap out of either their ego or, in the latest case, their life's work. He just assumes Viktor doesn't care about other's free will and goes to beat this guy up. To be fair, Viktor shouldn't have assaulted him. That's a crime. But what Jayce did was also a crime. Large amounts of destruction of property, breaking and entering... and yet he's deemed a hero while Viktor, who only did one thing wrong, is considered scum and someone worth exterminating.

GreenLore1 votes

Overall they made it clear that Jayce is a jerk,which I'm ok with,since his old lore tried to paint him as a flawless hero,despite the fact that his ingame quotes make him sound like a jerk. And honestly his lore maks it clear that while he is seen as a hero,many still don't like his arrogant behavior,so its not like they act like everything is ok now.

midnight oil241 votes

It's definitely a step up for him to not be painted as a jerk, but he still gets away with two major crimes against Viktor and gets an awesome transforming hammer out of it. He still needs to face consequences.

GreenLore1 votes

It was Viktor who attacked Jayce first,he stole the crystal from the lab and tried to kill Jayce,when Jayce tried to argue with him. Yet you outright ignore what is written in the lore and instead treat everything that is done against Viktor as a crime,even when its justified.

You complain that this lore lets Jayce get away with his "crimes" as you call them,but what you really want is Viktor getting away with his crimes.

I understand that Viktor tries to help humanity,but you should keep in mind that Viktor is not perfect,what he did in this lore piece was wrong and he got what was coming to him for it.

midnight oil241 votes

He definitely shouldn't have attacked Jayce. He needs to be punished. I'm thinking several years of jailtime. I just think that Jayce also needs to face some consequences.

GreenLore1 votes

Consequences for what? Jayce was the one who was attacked,what he did was pretty reasonable in his situation.

midnight oil241 votes

After Viktor attacked him, ( and he still needs jailtime for that) Jayce did not go to authorities. He instead powered up his hammer, broke into Viktor's house, and proceeded to smash up a bunch of robots. That's not a reasonable response to this. It's like if someone broke into your house and instead of calling the cops you went to the burglar's house, broke in, and beat them up. You'd be a criminal too.

GreenLore1 votes

That was a bit reckless of him,but still justified since he knew Viktor was likely about to complete his plan.

midnight oil241 votes

Is it justified to shoot someone because you think they're about to do something bad?

GreenLore1 votes

And did Jayce shoot him? No. He only kicked the ass of Viktors henchmen and destroyed the crystal,who was the powersource of the automatons that were trying to kill Jayce. So yeah Jayce acted in self defense here.

midnight oil241 votes

But Jayce knew that the could do some serious damage and was completely prepared to kill Viktor. Yes, Viktor shouldn't have tried to kill Jayce, but can you fully blame him? He puts up with Jayce's rudeness, gets kicked out of the science guild or whatever it's called because they think that some science in Piltover and Zaun wasn't ethical (saying that either city has ethics is hilarious) and then when he goes to his old friend for help, he gets told he has no moral compass and that he was wrong about a well thought out world-view. Viktor had plans to remove all the things that caused us problems. He is mistreated, and then, after years of working to show the world that his plan was good, he sets aside his pride and turns to another person for help. And instead gets told that he's morally corrupt and doesn't care about the free will of others.

If you spent years putting up with someone like Jayce, only to get told by him that you are a terrible person, wouldn't you be enraged as well?

GreenLore1 votes

I agree that Jayce getting viktor kicked out of the academy went a bit too far(which is why I enjoyed reading how the minotaur beat up jayce quite a bit xD),but just because Jayce is a jerk doesn't justify trying to kill him.

midnight oil241 votes

Oh, he shouldn't have tried to kill him. Viktor should be in jail just as much as Jayce. I'm just noting that some of Viktor's behavior seems to stem more from people, especially Jayce, treating him like an inferior his whole life.

Requiemsfire1 votes

So you prefer your super man esque all round good guy who built a hammer and protects piltover from the nefarious viktor?

midnight oil243 votes

Oh, I hate both of them equally. Lore-wise and personality-wise, Jayce is my least favorite person in runeterra.

Oelyk1 votes

He's my favorite... for multiple reasons I just like the archtype. more champs lore wise I admire is AurelionSol JaxViRyze andJhin

My least favorites include:Azir Elise Fiora Garen MonkeyKing And others... they all have it too good and it bothers me.

midnight oil242 votes

Azir is being assaulted on all sides by xerath and his allies, plus not everyone accepts him back. And fiora (at least in her old lore, too tired to check) had to kill her father to keep her family from being demoted.

My favorites are Ekko Gangplank Lulu and TahmKench , though gameplay-wise it'sTristana .

my least faves are Jayce Ezreal andNidalee .

Oelyk1 votes

We can agree to disagree.

midnight oil241 votes

Fair enough. Can I add you? You seem nice enough, and I'd like to see how you play.

Oelyk1 votes

Feel free! Ill add you tomorow, you may want to look at my profile first however, you may find distaste in my champion pool.

midnight oil241 votes

I don't really care who you play, I'm just stating my lore and personality opinions. Thanks for adding me!

MXXXXXL1 votes

People care about the lore?

midnight oil241 votes

I do. I can't play as a character if they act like Jayce, I just can't. Same goes for ezreal.

MXXXXXL1 votes

I find that ridiculous, if i found a champion fun yet they had poorly designed obnoxious lore i'd play them anyway.

midnight oil241 votes

I know. It's just one of my things. It's like, I hate their voice lines so much that I can't play them. One time I tried Jayce and felt dirty aferwards.

MXXXXXL1 votes

You can mute the champion voicelines only in the settings, but on the other hand, if people like you exist, and are maybe annoyed by Veigar voicelines, then that means potentially less Veigar mains, which makes me a bit happier, so i approve of you and your champion taste.

midnight oil241 votes

It's not their voice, it's what they say. One time, when I heard ezreal talking I shuddered. I know that I can mute them, but it's just something about them.

That being said, Veigar mains can rot. I hate laning against him.

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