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Karma gets the shaft again

Karbuncle·12/7/2016, 9:54:40 PM·49 votes·3,417 views

"Keep in mind that we patch every two weeks, so there's only so much we can change in a lot of cases, but we do our best! :)" - KateyKhaos

The WinterWonder Karma skin was given a lot of feedback and we only got a response after 9 DAYS,to tell us get fucked we're only finishing the tether particles(They pretended they added them thanks to our feedback but Riot wouldn't do a simple color change for a 1350 skin in the first place) to support this much about the skin was unfinished including her reveal being the only one without a splash art, the snare effect of the tether still not being changed they also changed her shield particles snowflakes to change color over the duration the exact same thing they did with her lotus shield WITHOUT even mentioning it.

The Karma skin was patched in and still has the following issues/problems.

1350 Price tag when it doesn't even have new animations,or a voice alteration

No tattoos on her shoulders and hands as shown in the splash art

Her hands painted a hideous shade of purple(I think they're supposed to be gloves but gloves don't have knuckle detail) instead of the gloveless+tattoos the splash art shows.

Her coat Fur is a dim purple instead of white like in the splash art.

So we know Riot doesn't REALLY give a shit,but what I saw a few hours ago really pissed me off.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-syjvM7eZQ7o/WEhzIvRL_cI/AAAAAAABAfs/E0slzGCNWYo02zZngBH9t73JumtPryN2wCLcB/s400/kateykhaos.jpg

An entire fucking list of changes for the 975 Quinn Skin after 1 DAY.

54 Comments

Ravenhale12/7/2016, 10:37:12 PM11 votes

To be honest, I think it was because there was so much heat on Winter Wonder Karma that Riot felt they could not do the same thing to Quinn on the very next patch. When I heard there would be no price reduction or notable changes to the Karma skin, I decided against getting it this year (there's always hextech and next year).

There's also the strong possibility that the current patch will run through all of December for the Snowdown event and that the Heartseeker skins aren't really expected to be live too long before Valentine's Day. They won't be operating under the same time constraints.

Forbidden Siren12/8/2016, 12:47:59 AM10 votes

Yeah, I kind of scratched my head after seeing that. It does seem strange it only took one day for them to respond to the Quinn skin compared to a week long with Karma's skin. Even Winter Wonder's PBE cycle came a few days before the Thanksgiving holiday.

In any case, I still appreciate the skin and I'll still buy it but deep down, I know they could've done more.

Winterkill12/8/2016, 2:04:43 AM10 votes

Please stop attacking Katey specifically. The fact that any Rioter, Katey or otherwise, is coming into an open thread about Karma . . . . and responding . . . . is good enough. This is something the balance and update team cannot be bothered to do for 4 years now. Katey and the rest of the skin team have done it more than any other Department.

Let's get back to the skin. Have you actually watched the preview on Youtube for the skin? It does have a snare effect. Underneath the enemy champion there is ice that is extending out . . . I do not know what you are exactly talking about how it is the same animation. THere is an effect. The Riot Skin Department did address the distinctiveness of her W and W+R and it looks a lot better. The team also made the shield stand out more . . . . .

They could have done better. They should do better. The fact that no other Department has done anything positive for Karma in 4 years, should tell you that it probably isn't going to happen. I do not think the Riot Skin Department is going to go back and address the problems with the splash art not matching the actual model. Every Department at Riot has given us a half worked content for Karma. Do not expect anything good to come out of this thread . . . your cries and suggestions are not going to make them do it. The Skin Department is proud of the work and have moved on to one of their more popular champions, Vi, and worrying about that skin now. It's all about who Riot cares about and they don't care about Karma. They obviously care more about Quinn than Karma.

TheHappyReaperz12/8/2016, 4:29:38 AM10 votes

So they changed things about the WW Karma skin, and it irritates you because its not good enough still? Or because a completely different champion with a skin still in developement had changes to their skin?

Vier12/8/2016, 5:52:58 AM8 votes

Same thing happened to Lunar Wraith Caitlyn. Recoloured Passive Indicator and Ultimate Channel Particle as opposed to a new one a 1350 RP should receive. Has no animation in her hair making it awkward... overall Headhunter is cheaper and is a much higher quality (animated visor/newly animated rifle/new passive/ult particle/single splash art).

I see now Winter Wonder Karma gets the same treatment. Pretty obvious none of the Rioters on the skins team care about those champions, as you can see a specific Rioter is treating the new Azir skin with much more passion due to liking the champion.

Don't do the same mistake as me and purchase the skin anyway. I regret purchasing Lunar Wraith Caitlyn after they ignored feedback, speak with your wallet if no changes happen to her.

I hope this thread causes Rioters to improve the quality of the skin or at the very least treat every champion skin with the passion they have for their mains.

GreenLore12/7/2016, 11:16:05 PM8 votes

I agree that they should have changed a bit more for the skin(the hands being simply recolored to purple really seems a bit cheap),though I disagree with a few of your individual points

An entire fucking list of changes for the 975 Quinn Skin after 1 DAY.

Said Quinn skin is likely gonna stay on the PBE for an entire month(if not more),wheras Karma was on the PBE for 2 weeks,so there is really a lot more time to change it.

1350 Price tag when it doesn't even have new animations,or a voice alteration

She does have a new recall animation,as well as a small arrival animation and none of the other snowdown skins(or the current set of 1350-skins on the pbe) have altered VO. In addition to all this she also got new sounds for her abilities and auto attacks(while ability sounds aren't that rare,new auto-attack sounds are a bit more special)

Her coat Fur is a dim purple instead of white like in the splash art.

I don't think thats a problem,it looks a bit cleaner and more elegant this way.

TheNeemDream12/8/2016, 3:02:44 AM4 votes

Speak with your wallet. Don't buy the skin

Karbuncle12/7/2016, 9:57:11 PM3 votes

I forgot to mention the lack of purple diamond-esque detail on her tights that the splash art shows(the detail is on her mantra version as blue but Karma's eyes aren't glowing so she clearly hasn't activated her ult)

Solidair312/8/2016, 5:05:34 AM3 votes

Yeah, I enjoy my collection of Karma skins, but I don't think I'll be adding this one...

Malicious Metal12/8/2016, 12:18:47 AM2 votes

To be fair, this patch is going to last longer so they're going to have more time changing stuff.

Oglaf12/8/2016, 1:30:14 PM2 votes

Don't be jealous of the Quinn skin and the attention it got.

They axed it. They went Tracer's butt on it.

Sassmast3r12/8/2016, 4:48:22 PM2 votes

As a Karma main and someone who loves the winter wonder theme in general, I agree with your argument totally, but if any of you guys want to complain about Riot you need to hold yourself accountable and not spend $20 in the next two hours because "Oh I just couldn't resist!" Boycott them, it'd be funny, seeing a company fall to the ground from it's double-standards and careless employees... then they'd have to listen or else they wouldn't get their salaries. And don't give me some bullshit about "Well there are too many ignorant people out there that will spend lots of money regardless so there's no point in me doing it too!" Well you know what? Why don't you encourage those people not to spend money either, show them all the ways Riot has screwed both you and them, maybe you can create change! But don't be a hypocrite (complain about Riot's inattentiveness towards x, y, or z) and simultaneously complain about their double-standards; that just doesn't make sense.

Not personally attacking you, I don't know you, you very well might not spend money on this game at all, but I would implore you and everyone else not to though.

Sraeg201312/8/2016, 6:41:19 PM2 votes

Why would you care about a champion slated for a relaunch in the Near Future™?

/s

vampirekid1312/8/2016, 7:59:13 PM1 votes

that quinn skin was exceptionally terrible. which explains the quick response.

Prophet of Urgod12/8/2016, 10:47:43 AM1 votes

This is my Battlecast Skarner.

Lùmen12/8/2016, 12:55:48 PM1 votes

Modern champions (Yes, was reworked in a modern time) have completely fine animations and therefore aren't eligible for extra animations unless it's an old champion that needs them badly (Zombie Nunu) or special exceptions that are good opportunities for new animations.

Sukishoo12/8/2016, 8:00:34 PM1 votes

1350 Price tag when it doesn't even have new animations,or a voice alteration

Not all 1350 skins have voice effects.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752874-Guide-to-Skin-Price-Tiers

Sometimes includes: processed voice overs.