What champions would benefit from a thematic update?

Solideus··8 votes·8,035 views

As the game is modernized factions gain more of a set visual identity and new champions are more rigorously tailored to fulfill their fantasy all-around.

Some older champions didn't emerge with these guidelines yet in place though, and there might be chances for improvement thematically given the efforts of the VU team. Karthus is a good example of a theme being pushed to new glorious heights after an update, and also clearly placing him within the Shadow Isles' visual identity.

What champions do you think could gain most from their fantasy, theme or affiliation being solidified in an update?

70 Comments

GreenLore19 votes

Irelia Her most defining feature is that she is the girl with levitating blades,yet her kit makes only use of that with her ult(which feels quite unimpressive),the rest of her abilities could have been slapped on any other bruiser

Kennen he is basically THE electro mage of the game,no other champ uses as much lightning as he does(ryze and xerath use pure energy),however he doesn't look like a lightning champ at all

Taric he is a gem paladin,but that hardly matters,the only gem related move is his w(and those look like crystals),they should give him animations that make it clear that the abilities come from the gems on his armor

DrMundo yeah him being a serial killer isn't really noticeable at all,he should remain a comedic character,but he should express his sadistic side a bit more

Ryze I'm not even sure whats ryzes core theme,he is kinda the standard mage and a keeper of an ancient scroll with magic tatoos and thats basically it and none of that gets really expressed in any way by him

Kobila20002 votes

You pretty much nailed it. Though I'm personally okay with Kennen.

Thryale4 votes

I think Mundo is one of those rare cases where I'd like to see his lore be reworked to match his personality.

reason being is that mundo has such an iconic personality with most of the league player base that it would feel very off-putting to have it be changed in order to match his current lore.

GreenLore4 votes

Overall I think they could merge the two,you know,he might be still a serial killer,but that doesn't mean that he can't be hilarious.

But I can definetly see your approach

Solideus2 votes

Yeah, making Kennens electric powers more obvious through his model would be a big thing! He needs more materials and colours as well, he's just a ball of purple right now.

RiotIronStylus13 votes

Go on...

Solideus11 votes

Oh my, Ironstylus arrived! I'll overwhelm you with my thoughts about champions as related to their factions, as I'm a big proponent of the world building approach. I think it is very important to have a common thread through each faction, aesthetically.

Bandle city. Some of the old champions, like Teemo, Poppy, Corki and Tristana, could use some identity-improvements, otherwise this faction kind of embraces the variegated. Decide on a number of fingers though, haha.

**Bilgewater. ** They are few but pretty consistent; individually the characters deliver their thematic in a satisfying way. Maybe they could use some overall aesthetic development so they are more obviously connected; some common coulours and design-language. Even though it started as a pirate themed faction Graves feels like a good starting point for their style. Maybe push some of Nautiluss design towards these guys as well. However, not a fan of the cockney vibe from The Pledge.

Demacia. Demacia has always had a strong visual identity. Some champions could gain from being more distinct. FioraLuxVayneQuinn have very similar tight overalls, Shyvana could be more buff than her fragile peers. Galio feels like an outlier. What is supposed to make him interesting? His visuals doesn't tell much of a story, most of his kit doesn't really deliver a fantasy very well. I think he has potential to be Demacia's answer to Sion, though.

Freljord There's already been some great development here. The faction is consistent as a whole, some *individuals *could use some defining. Nunu could use some visual storytelling, maybe an "adventurer" vibe. Olaf could use the same treatment. Try figuring out a way to make the mix of Freljord and Ionia work visually for Udyr.

Ionia Move Akali Kennen Shen towards Zeds visual language. I'd liked to see some more obviously Ionian elements on Soraka and Varus; just some small things. Also elements of Syndra I feel could be improved. I'm no fan of her pelvis-area, otherwise the clothes are fine. It might have been a lost opportunity not to juxtapose her body-type with her "power"-theme; a shorter, more svelte frame would have been a nice contrast to her OVERWHELMING POWER. Currently she looks very tall because of her tiny head.

Noxus The new aesthetic identity is great! Leblanc Swain Urgot currently don't fit in at all, though. (Urgot in particular I'd just move straight to Zaun) VladimirRiven are almost there, some light work with their aesthetics would really bring them home. Talon as well. He could also benefit from more practical weapons though; the wrist-blade looks clunky, as do the bladed cape-weights. A better delivery on his arsenal would be great.

Piltover Caitlyn needs some tech- and fashion-upgrades, otherwise these guys are fine! If you keep some yordles around this place make their tech match the area.

Zaun DrMundoWarwick need VU's. Warwick should be more alchemical. Industrial alchemy could be a common theme for this faction. And if you ever get back to Viktor, make him more machine.

Mt. Targon Pantheon needs some visual development, otherwise we just need more stuff from there! Maybe put Alistar there and push the greco-roman angle?

The Void Thematically the place is good. Kassadin and Malzahar could do fine with a Singed-level update, but try adding a touch of Shurima to their designs.

Shadow Isles EvelynnYorick Mordekaiser need to adapt to the new awesome visual style!

Shurima I love the new Shurima, but AmumuRammus Skarner Don't fit in anymore, and they fall kind of flat anyway. Amumu needs an identity and something other than green bandages; also don't make him a yordle for goodness sake. Rammus is charming, but make him visually more Shuriman, through his armor for example. Skarner 's shapes are crude, especially the tail. Work him through and put some other materials in there, like duller rock; something that indicates a desert-dweller. Also try other ideas for his face, something with more intelligence.

Others Give Alistar Janna Zilean Annie Fiddlesticks Kayle Malphite Morgana Nocturne Ryze Shaco Taric homes! Or at least develop their characters, give them history, give them purpose and connect them to the world! There are many good themes here, but they lack context. I'd want to see Janna and Zilean developed, especially. I loveZyra, but it bugs me that she wasn't pushed more towards plant. Try scrapping the fleshy parts and "leaf costume" in favour of building her body through-and-through out of thorns, plants and petals. Her silhouette could also be pushed further into rose-territory. More thorns, more agressive shapes!

There, ask if you want more thoughts about any of that!

EnvyDragon10 votes

I loveZyra, but it bugs me that she wasn't pushed more towards plant. Try scrapping the fleshy parts and "leaf costume" in favour of building her body through-and-through out of thorns, plants and petals. Her silhouette could also be pushed further into rose-territory. More thorns, more agressive shapes!

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Please. PLEASE. Thank you.

(She could use some gameplay work too imo. But visuals 100%)

ShadowKnight12244 votes

Yeah, this would be a really cool thing to do. Rather than an almost-naked Poison Ivy knock-off, she could be a legitimately frightening thing.

Solideus3 votes

To add to Zyra; I do think sex appeal makes sense on a dryad-esque archetype, but her base could be approached more like her Haunted skin and mix in some of the uncanny.

Qwert10 votes

Push her more towards "Plant trying to look like a sexy lady" than "Sexy lady trying to look like a plant"

Solideus4 votes

The best and most hilarious summary.

ShadowKnight12243 votes

It would make sense if she was someone like Ahri or Eve, who are deliberately trying to use their sex appeal as a weapon. As I understand it, the plant that is Zyra doesn't really care for such concepts, so having a sexy, appealing, half-naked form is completely irrelevant to it.

Imagine if the plant had possessed a young male sorcerer and Zyra's model was instead something like a handsome, appealing man with a leaf over his privates. It would be extremely obvious that it was made purely for fanservice and you'd hear a ton of people crying about how it doesn't fit the tone of the game.

To be honest I would harp a lot less on Zyra if we had actual male equivalents for the blatant fanservice.

Solideus2 votes

Her design decisions aren't made so much from her fictional perspective as from the way we consumers observe her from our cultural history and context. Sex appeal is a very common attribute to the archetype she is incorporating, as are many other traits she possess. Recognition is very important to appeal. So is novelty, but less so, and I'd argue recognition is indispensable. Novelty can only be appreciated in relation to what is recognizable.

Also, predaceousness and flowers are both very often associated with sexuality; that's one way of rationalizing it.

It's not a super popular thing to defend, but as important as the discourse of over-sexualization in games is, it is just as important to discuss where sexuality is appropriate as to discuss where it is not.

ShadowKnight12243 votes

The problem with defending that stance (design decisions from consumer observation) is that it's hard to justify why League, with an ever growing percentage of players who are not straight males, has very little in the way of equality of fanservice.

To me, there should be a coherence of logic behind the appearance of champions: either their appearances correspond to their fictional perspective, and we have sexualised female champions because it makes sense for who they are (like Eve and Ahri), or we have a marketing approach, in which case we need more non-sexualised female characters and sexualised male characters in order to keep up the ever growing percentage of non-straight males.

Solideus1 votes

Sex appeal fits with Zyra 's theme, in her particular case. What the characters perspective should be is quite subjective. That's up to the writer and/or artist.

ShadowKnight12244 votes

But you argued earlier in favour of ignoring character theme and instead judging from customer observation.

Sex appeal doesn't fit Zyra's theme when it comes to a literal sentient plant in control of a human body, a plant who has no concept of human sex appeal. Her mechanics do not support that either, she's a mage that keeps her distance and exerts sustained damage via zone control. Her VO lines are more about being a menacing, murderous monster than being seductive. There is nothing in any part of her character design that even hints at sex appeal, and if you were to replace her model with something still female-bodied but non-sexualised, it wouldn't clash in the slightest.

The only thing where her sex appeal "fits" is with regards to other similar character designs in other stories/franchises, which is a very unwise thing to base a decision on ("Because they did it, let's do it too" has no inherent logical value on its own).

Dreamspitter1 votes

But you argued earlier in favour of ignoring character theme and instead judging from customer observation.

Sex appeal doesn't fit Zyra's theme when it comes to a literal sentient plant in control of a human body, a plant who has no concept of human sex appeal. Her mechanics do not support that either, she's a mage that keeps her distance and exerts sustained damage via zone control. Her VO lines are more about being a menacing, murderous monster than being seductive. There is nothing in any part of her character design that even hints at sex appeal, and if you were to replace her model with something still female-bodied but non-sexualised, it wouldn't clash in the slightest.

The only thing where her sex appeal "fits" is with regards to other similar character designs in other stories/franchises, which is a very unwise thing to base a decision on ("Because they did it, let's do it too" has no inherent logical value on its own).

Except she's fused with the body of a human woman, and now a composite creature.

And of course, since she knows nothing of clothes, she's stripped them off. Now technically speaking, nudity doesnt have to be sexualized or if so -overly sexualized but...games rated PG 13

Then there's poison ivy.....and the obvious inspiration.

ShadowKnight12244 votes

But it's made abundantly clear that the original human sorceress is completely gone. The mind currently in charge of that body is the plant's, not a gestalt between human and plant. The plant has completely taken over the body and while the body itself is a composite, the mind is not. Zyra the plant has no knowledge of sex appeal beyond whatever it can decipher from the sorceress's memories, and given that to it cities are "jungles of metal and stone", then I don't think the plant gets much of the subtleties involved.

Zyra's nudity is completely over-sexualised, given that the plants are covering her body in such a way as to be revealing and enticing. If she wanted to ditch clothing for a cover of leaves and vines, why not cover her entire torso instead of just part of it? Clearly she's not making logical decisions there, given that she's leaving her internal organs exposed to the elements and oncoming attacks.

Yes, it's all obviously a Poison Ivy inspiration, but it actually doesn't fit with the character design. This isn't a seductive woman with plant powers like the actual Poison Ivy, this is an alien-minded plant taking over a human body. It's not even an "alluring" plant like a venus flycatcher or the like.

Kobila20001 votes

It's kind of ridiculous to expect male equivalents, though. 90% of LoL's player base is male. They're not going to want to look at half-naked sexy men.

ShadowKnight12243 votes

Do you have any hard facts proving that the current playerbase is currently 90% straight dudes? Because I'd bet the percentages aren't as dramatic as you think they are. Also, given the range of harass that female and non-straight players get (from non-existent to actually toxic), I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't too keen on giving themselves away.

ShadowKnight12242 votes

From two years ago. Don't you think things might have changed since then? Particularly as League of Legends rose in popularity?

Kobila20001 votes

It's all we have for now and honestly I seriously doubt they've gained significant numbers since.

ShadowKnight12243 votes

So you think that the playerbase numbers have remained static for 2 years? With the way Riot has been able to hire on more workers, update the map, splash arts, models, gameplay, hire a bunch of people exclusively to work on player behaviour, with how many people were in the Worlds hype, etc? Really?

Kobila20001 votes

Sigh, not numbers. Percentages. I'm saying I doubt the number of women compared to men in LoL increased significantly since I see absolutely no reason for it to.

ShadowKnight12245 votes

You're under the counterfactual assumption that an increase in numbers must be accompanied by a preservation of percentages.

It can happen, sure, but simple statistics indicate that there is a far greater likelihood to draw from subgroups not already present. Logic dictates that if League becomes widely known outside the MOBA subculture, the chances of getting new players who are not straight males increases.

Anecdotal examples are irrelevant, but let me tell you this: a former friend of mine made a point not to identify as female. The one time I accidentally referred to her as a "she" in chat, a player who was on tilt and didn't get the lane he wanted latched onto her gender as a way to verbally abuse her. Think about that and why female players might not want to reveal their gender, and why you shouldn't be so sure about the percentages.

KenpachiKenshin2 votes

Pretty much agree on most of things. Well thought, well written!

NΣQ2 votes

The Void Thematically the place is good. Kassadin and Malzahar could do fine with a Singed-level update, but try adding a touch of Shurima to their designs.

Really? I must disagree ... Design of Kassadin is not ok ... He should look more mysterious, alone, a bit sneaky strider than a hight tech purple cyborg in skirt ... Imo Kassadin should look similar to new champs from void. Remove all those tubes and horns. (If i can suggest I will be happy seeing him with all the model and animations redone [i mean he really need that - his W is just crit animation, and E doesnt have any, Riftwalk can look so awesome (maybe like teleports from x-man movies)]) I think kassadin design doesnt fit in the Void and champs like Velkoz Khazix or graet queen Rek'Sai ... He need more love than simply MTU like Singed ...

KenpachiKenshin4 votes

Seeing as Solideus lays some pretty good points in his response to this comment of yours, I'd like ask two questions that fit into this category of thematical identity.

  1. What if Caitlyn were to be the Ace Sniper of Piltover instead of its Sherrif? Why would the head police-woman of Piltover be a Sniper? Why would she wear a ballet dress? Would her current profile instead be more befitting of a sniper that wants to blend in?
  2. What do you think of faction/realm Crossovers? Could there be some duality (origin realm + residing realm) incorporated to them in terms of Visuals? [Examples: Riven (Noxus/ Ionia), Xin Zhao (Noxus/ Demacia), Udyr (Freljord/ Ionia), etc? + any new champions that could arise]

(@Mr. Stylus)

Solideus4 votes

I was of the impression XinZhao is of Ionian roots before becoming a gladiator, as is Sona. Poppy is supposed to mix Bandle City with Demacia, although I'm not a fan that one in particular. I do think mixed heritages have potential for some very interesting designs though, given the chance. Udyr would be a good candidate to experiment with that.

KenpachiKenshin1 votes

Xin does look Ionian indeed due to the asian-based theme Ionia has. But as far as I recall he was picked up from Noxus by one of the Jarvans.

An interesting crossover is Riven, however her looks lack Noxus. Another one, is Ezreal (I'd like if he got some Piltover attire matching his Shuriman style).

Udyr in my opinion is poorly executed lore-wise. He should have stayed Ionian...

Siachi11 votes

Mundo's kind of weird: We know him as this goofy purple lughead, but in his lore he's actually a sadistic killer who experiments on people.

Solideus3 votes

Yeah, that's true! He's kind of like Veigar in that sense, who is also goofy but has a really tragic lore. I'd love Mundo to have a more serious tone though, pushing the "deviant scientist" theme.

KevinDelMarr3 votes

Dr. Mundo should have more of a sick kind of humor. Currently he acts stupid which isn't very intimidating. Now imagine if he captured you, put you through a dark twisted lab rat maze, and started to taunt and chase you to see if you could survive, that's the type of person he should act. Someone who turned all Hulk, has no sense of morality, and takes pleasure from other's pain, instead of being just a dumb Hulk. I know Riot needs to stay within the realm of age 13 to 16 in terms of the type of content, maybe they can stretch it a bit like they have with Sion, make Mundo obsessed with torture, pain, and messing with other's minds and vocalizing his thoughts in 3rd person.

He could use some love in the disturbing department. "Trust Mundo, I'm a doctor heh heh"

turkeyBACON11 votes

Still being editted and updated. lost original post ):

Needs to be redefined by their region:

Shurima Amumu - no longer a yordle? doesn't feel shuriman other than mummy wraps. Xerath -love old visuals and lore; new lore makes his visuals feel like man in the iron mask rather than entombed sarcophagus. Rammus Skarner - feel like displaced zoo animals rather than natural residents; could be justified by lore...

Urtistan( if influenced by the regions around it ?) Zilean - doen't appear to be a desert dweller, crazy time control tech?; Could be justified by lore...

Icathia/Void Malzahar- may need just model/texture update Kassadin- high tech breathing mask?/blue skin? Chogath- Complete visual overhaul needed; feels too Spawn/lizard-like rather than Void insect KogMaw- just needs model/texture update

Freljord Brand- pending lore rewrites; Brand doesn't look like a person with his own will or motivations. The possessed body that Brand is in could hint at his lokfar origins. At least have Brand look like the end game boss he's suppose to be rather than forgettable minion fodder.
Nunu- Nunu should look like Feljordian child rather than santa's elf. Udyr - Udyr's base model needs an update; Himalayan mountain monk might be an interesting visual direction.

Demacia Galio - green and yellow/gold don't really read as a demacian color scheme. perhaps slate blue instead of green? JarvanIV - misshapen dragon armor?; needs clean straight lines. Lux - lose a little armor and gain more regal mage robes; perhaps just a model/texture update. Shyvana - may just need a texture/model update but I think her Ironscale skin should be swapped as her base. She looks to feral to reside in Demacia as is. If her human form armor isn't biologically a part of her body then she should have armor that looks like it came from Demacia. Vayne - i like her current visuals but it doesn't really fit demancia.

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Locations and champs with conflicting visuals among themselves and the location

Piltover- "City of Progress or what the hell does hextec look like?" Caitlyn- sniper/sherrif from victorian steampunk universe Corki- dieselpunk helicopter flying yordle Ezreal- lore justified visuals... but could have the glove look to be more shuriman in origin. Jayce - this is what i think piltover as a city and hextec should look like. bold clean shapes and colors that reference clock work but have futuristic edge. Jinx - possible lore justified visuals... still looks like dieselpunk 80's punk rocker. Orianna - too much victorian clockwork not enough hextec Vi - looks like piltover criminal, i.e. jinx, rather than police officer. Also dieselpunk as opposed to hextec for her gloves.

Mount Targon - needs story, any story at all. Pantheon - walking grecian/roman cliche Leona - high contrast modern clean sharp lined body suit with classical armour bits. Diana - lower contrast body suit with overlapping non-referential armour bits.

yordles/bandle city- visual unification in progress(?); needs to refrence current residence when appropriate.

Zuan- whatever the hell it is; figure out a visual style and stick with it. I would have suggested dystopian diesel punk but a lot of piltover is already co-opting it.

Displaced champs - figure out where the hell they belong and then give them a visual update Alistar ,Evelynn ,Fiddlesticks ,Jax ,Kayle ,Malphite , Morgana , Ryze ,Shaco , Taric

GreenLore2 votes

I think with some champs it is ok if they fall out of the general pattern for their city states. Like Vi,she looks more like a punk and thats because she still is one,she might be a cop now,but her being originally a criminal is still part of that.

Or Vayne where it makes perfect sense that she doesn't look that much like a demacian because she is the lone night hunter and not part of the demacian military or anything like that.

Or Orianna is the lady of clockwork,the clockwork theme of hers is iconic for her and should be kept

turkeyBACON2 votes

I actually like their designs a lot, separate from their city states. It shouldn't look like every region has their own dress code or uniform. But separate of any lore knowledge, if you can't look at a champ and guess accurately where they came from then they aren't telling the correct story visually, potentially.

Vayne looks like a sleek hunter but her dark tones and sinister feel suggest a person from noxus rather than Demacia. A dark sleek evil- hunter could work in Demacia but I think it could be done while also not completely disassociating her from Demacia. I think lux's body suit plus light armor in her current splash would suit vayne pretty well. Just get rid of the skirt and shoulder shroud and add a cape and sunglasses. Perhaps darken the armor a bit to cold grey rather than bright silver.

Vi looks too similar to Jinx and in a way that helps her story; it creates a connection, but Jinx is a mysterious chaotic outsider. Jinx isn't suppose to to fit in Piltover. Vi on the other hand is an adult police officer. She is suppose to uphold the law. I don't read authority when I look at Vi, I read trouble maker. Yes Vi is suppose to be a rebel bad cop to Cait's lawful good cop but unless Vi is deep undercover I don't think she looks the part at all.

Orianna... Orianna is her "father's" creation so her visuals could be explained by lore but i don't think it'd hurt to give her a model a slight update. If only to just make her "skirt" a little more appealing .

LordHippoman7 votes

Evelynn

What even is Evelynn. People say "Vampire/succubus/assassin/Void Monster/Shadow Isles Dweller/????", and I think it'd be nice if we could cut that to maybe two or three words.

Jax

No League means Jax makes no sense.

Pantheon

We just don't have enough on him.

Dreddeth5 votes

All Rift and no League makes Jax a dull boy

LordHippoman2 votes

Kicking myself for missing that joke, thanks for the save.

Gear Kitty5 votes

Three of the Freljord champs come to mind.

Ashe could use another passby on her theme if only to modernize her (again).

Tryndamere could really use a better focus on his updated theme of "King of the Freljordian nation". He really seems to fit closer with Sejuani and her style than his wife. I know he's ragey and angry, but it's hard to understand how his best friend is Braum and he's monarch of his land with his VO and base skin. Give the man a shirt (or leather armor top, etc.).

Nunu. Dear sweet Teemo, Nunu. His animations are bland, his kit disjointed and hardly animated. If I hadn't read the tooltip several times to make sure, I would (and honestly still believe) that it's Willump puking up the Ice Blast because Nunu himself just blends into the yeti on most skins. Honestly, it'd be great seeing Nunu getting a (almost) full relaunch like what Sion received. Most of his abilities are fine, but the animations, and the rig he has, need to go back to page one. I kinda want to see Nunu climbing all over his buddy; they're two friends as one unified fighting unit, but I had to point out to my mom (who was a captive audience while I watched a match on twitch during her visit) that Nunu was a kid riding the yeti, not just a yeti running around throwing balls of ice. If I could suggest, keep Willump white, but give Nunu a VERY DARK coat to wear. And please, please, get rid of the ridonkulous amount of fur trim on his hood. It's trim, not hair and beard.


Ionia could benefit from an overall visual design theory like Noxus has. At least the more official Ionian champions, to be brought in line with the visual styles of Karma and Syndra (she may be renegade, but she is Ionian and I see room in her narrative to come to their aid if pleaded/asked to). We've seen Shurima, we've glimpsed Noxus... I wanna see Ionia and and Avarosa.

Poldy Scarecrow2 votes

So true. Good points!

Rebonack4 votes

Koggy doesn't fit well with the visual Void themes that Riot has been cementing and his kit doesn't match up with his lore at all.

He doesn't eat anything!

RedTrinketGoneHa4 votes

Kassadin Is probably coming up in the near future, he has robes of paper and lets face it. If you look at the back of his robes in SR you will notice small purple dots, obviously texture is off by a bit

Krizalid3 votes

Vladimir Vladimir. A Blood mage who looks, acts and is a vampire, but at the same time he's not. Even his name is Vlad. Kneel before Vlad! After hearing this, would you imagine a blood mage or you'll imagine a sadistic secular vampire with a castle and some count-like title? You'll chose the second one for sure.

Solideus4 votes

I think blood magic and vampiric themes fit well together, though.

It feels to me like Vlad could be a strong Noxian character with relatively little effort.

Krizalid1 votes

Then they could officialy call him a vampire, who's using a blood magic :3

Solideus2 votes

I think Vlad is just Riots own spin on the mythos around Vlad the Impaler.

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