I'm Scared For Kayle's New Lore

GhaelWinds·4/22/2017, 9:00:01 PM·12 votes·2,108 views

Repost for being in wrong section I think? @Riot if this gets removed again add a reason as to why please so I can fix it properly.

Kayle is supposedly scheduled for a VGU and if not a VGU then at least a lore update and VU. I have recently been playing a lot if Kayle and I'm Scared about her place in the league universe and what they would change her gameplay to. For now I will state my ideas on her lore and character and in another post make one about ability updates.

In the current lore. She is an angellic figure that hails from a strange world of constant war. There she purges the evil with her constant justice. She then had to turn on her sister when she turned against Kayle and into the dark ways; her justice prevailing. This is a fine base of a character for her, however her world should be scrapped as it just adds random extra dimensions to league thst aren't really needed. Let's talk about what her character is and should be before we try and put her into an affiliation.

Kayle's thematic is first and foremost from the Christian religion. Her lore character being based off of Michael the Archangel. For those of you who don't know, Michael is seen as a healing Angel (Kayle's W) who leads God's angels against the forces of Satan. Like Kayle in her current lore. He was also lesser known for taking part in doling out justice for people's Day of Judgement. He is often depicted fully armored, wings outstretched, and with a sword raised above his head fighting Lucifer. Lucifer in this case would be Morgana as they are both the fallen angels and siblings of each other (all angels would be considered brethren). As you can see the similarities are uncanny between the two. This should be her basis of character. She needs to be this divine Angel that fights against evil for justice.

Riot has already done a great job at showing that in game with her model. Her model does not need any work added to it despite making it less clunky. For this Aether Wing Kayle should be used as her base to look at when changing her animations for in game. The swing animation on it is perfect for the sense of smiting the evil out of the world. The light effects on it give that same feeling. Otherwise, riot has done an amazing job on the model and animations for her.

Her written lore is shotty at best. Now that we know WHO kayle is and what she stands for we can start placing her in an affiliation. You might first think "Demacia ofc because JUSTICE." That has it's merits, but then she would lose the divinity part of her character. Kayle should be an aspect from Targon acting in juxtaposition of Morgana as the opposing parts of human nature. Kayle should be this perfect paragon of exactly what a good person should do, eradicate the evil from the world; be this justice bringing Angel. Her personal lore would keep the fight Morgana as she fell from grace that's all pivotal to their characters. She herself needs to be an aspect who doesn't have hosts like pantheon or Leona. Her and Morgana trapped in a struggle of power both trying to affect the mortal world with their believes but not able to get through due to their power balancing. However, little bits and pieces make it through. Her biography should focus with what she is to the targonians as their Divine Angel who everyone should learn to be like. While she cares and protects the just with fierce compassion and cleansing the ones who are not. It then should focus on the power struggle between her and Morgana as contradictions to human nature. Her short story could be about one of her little pieces of power that she managed to get to the mortal world. A little whisper in a child's ear that shaped them to be an apothecary or maybe someone like vayne who purges evil. Kayles effect and what she stands for should be larger than her character.

TL;DR Kayle should take the Archangel Michael as her base of character. She should be a targonian aspect who is in a constant power struggle between Morgana to propagate their ideologies to the mortal world. Her effect should be larger than her character.

47 Comments

Arakadia4/23/2017, 1:46:03 AM10 votes

Her biography should focus with what she is to the targonians as their Divine Angel who everyone should learn to be like.

I disagree with this heavily. She should not be the perfect being, or the flawless justice. She should have some moral flaws imo. I love the quote "An eye for an eye!" on her because it fits her "Justice before all" idea while not making her a flawless happy knight of kindness.

I agree otherwise.

Arcus Diabolus4/23/2017, 1:09:53 AM5 votes

One thing I will not tolerate is more "Good angels are so obsessively good that they are oppressive, hypocritical and in many ways just as bad if not worse than demons" approach.

I FUCKING hate that over done, edgy as hell cliche. It leads to the idea that demons are more in some cases "gooder" than angels and also the idea that demon protagonists even make sense, which they friggin don't. Or even worse, that HUMANS are somehow the epitome of what is good and just, not angels or demons. That angels and demons just fight with each other and both would rather kill off all humans because they don't have a clear alignment, so humans that kill both are now the true heroes.

And don't even get me started on how some writers decide they need to make stories edgy even if they have truly good angels. In this case, they kill off or corrupt angels like its never been done before. (It has, especially in MTG. Fun fact, there are more angels in red or black, which are opposite and enemy colors of white, angel's home colors than blue or green, white's ally colors. In fact, only one block ever printed blue or green nonlegendary angels as a normal color theme.) Truly good angel? Not willing to do something horrific like kill a baby in the cradle because some reason like it had sinners for parents, but truly good and has compassion for life itself? Fuck that, make em second rate to some evil thing and kill them off in drones, or corrupt them and make them, gasp the bad guys again!

Like, what the frig is up with people and insisting that "nothing is good," "truly good is boring" or "Good is weak." Why can't we have good and evil be equal but opposite? Why does everyone feel like they have to grey the lines like everyone else has in the past? Like, I can't escape it. People's obsession with evil or morally ambiguous angels is far more common than the thing they are trying deviate from for being "too common."

Everyone just needs to stop being so god damn edgy, damn it. We don't need to follow this beaten to death trope any longer.

EDIT: That turned into a rant real fast. Sorry about that. Something about angels makes me defensive about them. Long story short, I don't mind a warrior angel, but PLEASE don't make Kayle another case of an angel you have to convince yourself to side with and not her evil sister. We don't need everything to lay in the morally grey area. She's a friggin angel. If she's not truly good, what the hell is???

PokladnicaZla4/23/2017, 11:56:59 AM4 votes

I might be wrong,but you got few parts of it wrong. Firstly Kayle isn't perfect ,nor is is she pure good and Morgana isn't purely evil.

˝ One side proclaimed themselves as beings of perfect order and justice, fighting to unite the world under their law and strong central governance. Those that fought against them saw their kin as tyrants, creatures incapable of seeing the larger view, who would sacrifice individuality and freedom for the illusion of efficiency and safety ˝

Even in her current lore she,she's far from merciful good,but more of a characters who brings justice how she perceives it. ˝ Kayle, now as then, avoids showing her face; war has taken a terrible toll upon her spirit. In her quest for victory, she sometimes would try to lift the wicked up from their morass of evil, but more than often she instead purged those she herself deemed beyond redemption. To Kayle, justice can so often be an ugly thing. ˝

Morgana may seem evil,but she's fighting for what she views as right. I don't know where I was going with this but,oh well,they're just represent different ideologies. Justice is subjective,while Kayle seems to fit our version of good,her justice is cruel and while Morgana seems to appear as the dark one,her justice might be more merciful and kind.

FloRaider424/22/2017, 9:48:41 PM4 votes

Strangely enough I remember her old lore quite differently... I always felt like it was clearly hinted that Kayle had a quite Demacian view (be governed by me or die) and was a unflinching knight templar whereas Morgana dabbeled in the dark arts to obtain freedom and free herself of the tyranny of the angels (quite a Noxian belief).

I don't think the Targon approach is appropriate (Leona and Diana already having Yin-Yang symbolism) and that they could be Vastayans serving their respective countries.

GreenLore4/23/2017, 1:13:35 AM3 votes

Overall I agree that unless they give the 2 their own faction,then they should be Targonian aspects. I mean that would also fit quite good considering that Targon is known to have an internal conflict,which overlaps with Kayles and Morganas lores and I think it would be ok if they had human hosts as long as they completely overtook them.

However I do think that Kayle should not necessarily be completely good. I mean she shouldn't be evil,she should act in the name of justice,but justice is not always clearly defined.

Neamean4/23/2017, 12:32:45 AM2 votes

I feel you are right that she is based off of Micheal but I don't think she should be "Good" both she and Morgana are in a grey area and I hope they keep it that way.

I hope that she would remain apart of Demacia like. She would be like how Braum is in the Frejlord, where she is like a folklore or legends something that they aspire toward on the quest for justice.

Like most legends their are some discrepancy between the truth and the story. Maybe should be Truly just and good in her Legends but in actuality she is more grey area where she is so hung up on Justice that she is almost leaning on Tyranny.

Although this idea could be harder with the current update lore on how Demacia was establish. Like would the legends comes before they discover petricide or after.

EvilUnicornLord4/24/2017, 12:47:49 AM1 votes

Oooh, oooh, I got one!

She's a Demacian paladin who went on a mighty quest (maybe climbing Targon, that sounds cool) and ascended to a greater and holier form.

######That didn't sound as stupid in my head.

yoshi27904/22/2017, 9:40:35 PM1 votes

I hope the new Morgana and Kayle lore will be something like this:

Kayle and Morgana are sisters, and princesses of a kingdom. (idk which one, I don't really care, but something old that's forgotten and more a fairytale) EDIT: since you said in your post not to add dimensions, maybe Ionia? But then a VERY long time ago?

Kayle was the oldest, most loved by the people, Brave, sweet, kind, etc.. Morgana was the youngest and liked other stuff, like going to scary places, dark colours, etc.. But the older they got, the more Morgana felt that she wasn't loved, and that Kayle was better than her.

When they were both older (idk 16-20 or so) Morgana and the King (her father) had an argument, and Morgana killed him. Kayle found out or was there, and wanted to help Morgana, but She refused it. Morgana was angry towards because 'she took away everything' and left the kingdom.

Kayle never forgave Morgana and Morgana was always sad, hurt and angry towards Kayle for 'taking away her family and love etc..'

Kayle then ruled the kingdom, helped other kingdoms, helped fight wars in the name of the good people, etc... While Morgana never got over the past and is bitter.

This way they still somewhat keep their lore now and get a cool backstory added to it... I know it probaly won't be something like this but I think it'd be cool. I'm really excited to see what they're going to do with their lore, but I feel like it will take very long until they'll update it :(

Darius Strada4/23/2017, 12:38:49 AM1 votes

I really like the idea of:

Kayle=Michael Morgana=Lúcifer

I hope they keep that aspect of them.

byakugan1234/22/2017, 9:18:52 PM1 votes

Kayle is getting her rework in like a year and a half