I Had The Worst Nightmare

A Superb Villain·Nov 23, 2015·29 votes·3,429 views

Riot announced they would be removing and 's friendship on the grounds that it was holding him back from committing true acts of villainy and would be required to move his story forward.

I have never woken up screaming before, but last night I came frighteningly close. Please, Riot, never take away this precious sadist's only friend; the Tiny Master of Evil already navigates the maelstrom of insanity in the flimsiest of life preservers, don't condemn him to the swirling depths of madness.

Never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever destroy their magical friendship, Riot. The black pit where my heart once was would undoubtably collapse.

http://orig06.deviantart.net/337b/f/2012/080/1/3/little_mages_by_inkinesss-d4tg51h.jpg Art by Inkinesss

52 Comments

SharjoNov 23, 201510 votes

Well to be fair the only indication they even know each other is the fact they're listed as friends on the site. There hasn't be a SCRAP of lore actually detailing it. As a result the existence of such a friendship is pretty tenuous at best.

A Superb VillainNov 23, 201520 votes

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In spite of being a relatively infinitesimal reference for speculation in regards to lore, it is more or less the only lore development outside of their respective biographies spurred by community efforts. And it cannot be said the detail is illogical; both are exiles, both have a questionable grasp of reality, and both employ magic. The absurd number of fan-created content surrounding their friendship is testament to how well their characters resonate.

Now, I am biased as all hell, and I am sure somewhere out there someone thinks it is the most idiotic mote of lore ever created, but for me, this is like Karma's fans or Doran's history, or the League itself; life will go on if they disappear, but damn if I am not going to be salty about it.

MelledoneusNov 23, 201514 votes

I suppose their friendship is not only how they sympathize with one another but how they don't judge one another.

Veigar is the ultimate master of evil in his eyes. He dislikes it when people judge him for it, when they mock him for being tiny, when they undermine him for all of the effort he put into becoming the ultimate dark sorcerer. Lulu is not one to judge people, one reason because she is a yordle. The other reason is because she's a person who judges based on personality and imagination, not looks or appearance. And she thinks Veigar is actually kind of imaginative in his own way, as he managed to master an entire branch of magic in such a short amount of time. He can do cool things with space and time, bending it to his will, and Lulu's like "That's so cool!"

On the other hand, Lulu was always the odd one out, and returned to a yordle society where she recognized no one, since the Glade gave her a time jump without much aging. She feels left out, other yordles fear and shun her magic prowess, and although children like playing games with her she is seen as a menace. Veigar feels that pain and knows how it's like. And since she is also a very understanding person and shares a different yet similar level of power to Veigar, it's a stable relationship. Additionally, if Veigar wanted to destroy something by, say, creating a supernova on Runeterra, Lulu would be like, "Let's do something different" and turn them into a critter. Veigar respects that kind of power, and although it isn't his personal preference or flashy enough to satiate his appetite for instilling fear, he actually finds it refreshing.

That's my two cents on it, anyway. Tear my post apart like one of your mid lane matchups, Superb Villain.

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20154 votes

I would hardly think to censure a thoughtful post, even one that conflicts with my own opinions. That said, I find your interpretation quite similar to my own, excluding extremely minor differences.

Lulu enjoys imaginative individuals unafraid of exploring the absurd and appreciates clever ideas that promote playful pastimes. Veigar on the other hand respects power, likely coveting it, and control, two important facets in establishing dominance. While Lulu's methods are typically non-violent, they are extremely potent.

While their relationship is not exactly what I would deem stable, Lulu's thoughts do not always run in parallel with reality and Veigar is the most volatile ball of emotions League may ever witness, they somehow manage to maintain their friendship.

It's weird, it's quirky, but most importantly, it's lighthearted; in a world as dark as Runeterra, two Yordles simply playing around with their magic is a nice change of pace.

GreenLoreNov 23, 20152 votes

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In spite of being a relatively infinitesimal reference for speculation in regards to lore, it is more or less the only lore development outside of their respective biographies spurred by community efforts. And it cannot be said the detail is illogical; both are exiles, both have a questionable grasp of reality, and both employ magic. The absurd number of fan-created content surrounding their friendship is testament to how well their characters resonate.

Now, I am biased as all hell, and I am sure somewhere out there someone thinks it is the most idiotic mote of lore ever created, but for me, this is like Karma's fans or Doran's history, or the League itself; life will go on, but damn if I am not going to be salty about it.

Aren't you kind of forgettig the bilgewater events here(and partially shurima,because even if it wasn't really all that fleshed out,it did continue sivirs lore)?

Anyway,I think they won't remove it,but your interpretation of their friendship might not be riots interpretation of their friendship.

SharjoNov 23, 20153 votes

He/she/it/however Suberb Villain addresses themselves is specifically referring to Veigar and Lulu, not lore as a whole.

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20153 votes

Correct.

Also, I prefer "it"; gender is inconsequential within a digital medium.

And I enjoy inciting that brief sense of panic people struggle with when determining the proper form of address.

GreenLoreNov 23, 20152 votes

Ah ok,misunderstood you then.

SharjoNov 23, 20152 votes

I'll be sure to refer to you as "it" from now on then, you Suberb Villain you.

Also to clarify, there was no panic; that's how I address everyone on the internet if I otherwise don't know how they would wish to be addressed. Ain't my place to impose my own assumptions on others!

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20152 votes

Much obliged.

And I suspected as much; you always post with courtesy and clarity, and I have never seen you write without a clear head. To be honest, I would feel quite contrite if I caused you distress.

Others, not so much.

SharjoNov 23, 20152 votes

There are time's I'll write comments and go over what I said and be like "Hang on, am I saying this right? Am I just fucking up?" and re-write whole sections of a big long shpiel just so I actually convey what I want to say in the manner I actually mean to without coming across as an arse. Many a time I've written comments and said "Y'know what, sod it. I can't convey this properly." and just scrap it entirely.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK I'M AN ARSE OR TO HAVE AN ARSEY CONVERSATION. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY AND HAVE FUN GAH BHABGDHJAPBDHJBSAJCNXBZkloklk;mkm.,...............

I'd suck at politics.

RalanrNov 23, 20151 votes

Politics is overrated.

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20152 votes

I empathize with your hesitation and careful evaluation of a written document before posting it online, particularly when the nuances of speech, such as body language and tone, are absent.

Believe me, I have spent inordinate amounts of time poring through a dictionary to find the right word I know is best suited for a particular conversation but my inadequate memory fails to recollect.

And I agree, politics would not be your forte. You are much to kind and honest.

Hyrum GraffNov 24, 20151 votes

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Correct.

Also, I prefer "it"; gender is inconsequential within a digital medium.

And I enjoy inciting that brief sense of panic people struggle with when determining the proper form of address.

I feel weird referring to people as "it." It feels so impersonal. Are you okay with "they"?

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20151 votes

Acceptable.

MarbelaraNov 23, 20155 votes

Wow, Superb, your nightmares mirror my own xD

I think one of Veigar's selling points is the 'at the Edge of villainy or non-villainy' status he always has.

He wants to be a bad guy really hard, amasses power and crafts evil plans, but they always fail at their execution, pushing him back onto the Edge again. His own drive towards evil gets stabilized by outside interference, without fail.

And I love it.

Because there isn't many champions you can weave so many ideas around, at least not without AU's - and it's all because of that Edge.

He's basically standing on the crossroads.

You can just take him, tip him into a spiral of madness and imagine the destruction he'll cause. You can drag him kicking and screaming into redemption and try to see how (and if) he'd struggle to get better. You can imagine his emotions, his thought process. You can grant him everything he's always wanted and see if he's truly happy, and so on, and so on. So many possibilities.

Xerath doesn't have this many. Diana doesn't have this many. They've both done things that cannot be ignored, setting them on a particular path. But Veigar? For now, he has his infinite, status quo Edge, and the Edge can keep the ideas for his development coming in, forever.

The thing is, Lulu is one of the most contributing things to his Edge. Teemo can also count for ruining his plans on the spot whenever he approaches the moral event horizon, but he is only a quick fix without much chance to become more. Lulu is the one commonly believed to have that long term therapeutic effect Veigar needs to balance his evil ambitions and loneliness and keep from falling into the pure darkness. She is also sometimes potrayed as his chance to become good, a morality pet.

She helps him keep his Edge, and many, many people can see it.

Of course, he gives her more Edge too. Under his influence, she often becomes just a lil' bit more clever and wicked, gets dragged out of her daydream and into the adult world, and has a chance to anchor herself somewhere insted of wondering about by herself.

Ever since Riot applied the friendship onto those two, the community view shifted from 'he's not an overlord because he's incompetent/butt monkey' to 'he's not an overlord because he gets distracted by Lulu, probably breaking into his evil lair to give him a cupcake' People got used to the idea they were friends and started relying on it. Hell, I'm relying on it right now xD

Because it's adorable, because it makes sense, and because it compliments the characters in question and gives them more Edge.

And now... Now imagine someone making a quick patch and erasing that entire relationship.

That would be... That would be a low blow.

RalanrNov 23, 20152 votes

This reminds me of Belkar and Mr. Scruffy.

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20152 votes

Beautiful. You explain the possibilities and potential they share very well.

Honestly, I have no idea why I had that nightmare, but I did, and was deeply disturbed.

RalanrNov 23, 20154 votes

I've (and a lot of fan art I've seen) always viewed their friendship as introvert and extrovert. Veigar will say he doesn't want to "hang out" but he won't object heavily if Lulu drags him off on an adventure.

As cheesy as that sounds, it's why I like those two.

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20152 votes

It is somewhat cheesy, but a little dairy is part of a healthy diet, not to mention rather tasty depending on the type.

PopePancakeNov 23, 20153 votes

I see you love this ship as much as i do! im crazy over these two

SchaakaKonNov 23, 20152 votes

Because its obviously Veigar x Poppy.

Veigar doesnt want that charleton Lulu anymore

A Superb VillainNov 23, 20152 votes

Why limit oneself to a single friend? Why deny the possibility of becoming frenemies?

SchaakaKonNov 23, 20154 votes

Since I cant refuse a gent with a dashing mustache and stylish monocle, I'll let you in on a little known fact. Have you ever wondered why Poppy is fighting for Demacia instead of Bandle City, her home city? Well, I will tell you why.

Poppy and Veigar were 'childhood friends' (in the anime sense) in Bandle City.

In Poppy's lore, she was sent on a caravan to deliver a helm to a Demacian general that of which was intercepted by a Noxus raiding party. Poppy managed to escape.

In Veigars lore, he joined in a caravan "business that traded with other major city-states" that also happened to be attacked by a Noxus raiding party. But unfortunately for Veigar, he did not escape and was captured. Noxus scientists experimented with Yordle isolation on Veigar for many years, turning him - well less than jolly.

But, what would make someone fight for a foreign city state? Now, I can only guess that Poppy hearing of Veigars capture and torture, she beseeched the Bandle City government to act. Unfortunately, I do believe the officials told her this: "LMFAO Poppy you pleb! You want us to start a war with Noxus, those fucking try hards!? Those Yordle traders were feeders anyways.." Something along those lines.

Now, Poppy wanted justice, she wanted to free her friend. Demacia being 'the city state with a stick up their ass' but always looking for a fight. Poppy joined Demacia to fight Noxus.

lore wise, connect a few dots and Poppy x Veigar makes sense.

RalanrNov 23, 20151 votes

Sounds more like a rivalry than a pairing.

Vincent LuciusNov 23, 20151 votes

Nah. Rivalry is when you get a poppy and a Veigar in the same game and they both buy Rabbadon's and fight over who has the better hat. This is more "You took my buddy, whomp'um takes your life" or whatever the name of her hammer is.

Earthlord JazzNov 23, 20152 votes

Veigar likes Lulu cause she can make him tall! XD

Lulu Enormivis!

Veigar Is that a short joke?!

Malicious MetalNov 24, 20152 votes

:^)

Curling VeigarNov 24, 20152 votes

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:^)

(^:

VeiNov 24, 20152 votes

Veigar and Lulu .... <3 :c

IcyPepperNov 24, 20152 votes

Pfft, like they would.

No, I don't mean that in which they wouldn't dare for our sake, but they wouldn't do so because it wouldn't be great storytelling.

If they wanted to remove their friendship, they wouldn't "remove" it, they would "sever" it. If Veigar truly wanted to be evil, he would have to break that poor Yordle girl's heart first. And besides, let's be honest, a villain with some heartstrings tied to the world, maybe with a little sentiment or even love (someone please remove these shipping goggle off of me!), is infinitely more interesting than your standard mustache-twirling "take over the world" villain.

Because, let's be honest. Who was more interesting, Loki from Thor or that one CEO dude in Iron Man nobody cares about? See, it's all about characters we care about, good or evil. The more connections they have with the world, the more relationships (good or bad) they have, the more reason they have to live and breathe in this world. Do we really care about how Singed harmed Noxus troops, or do we really care about how it set Riven upon her journey into exile?

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20151 votes

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Pfft, like they would.

No, I don't mean that in which they wouldn't dare for our sake, but they wouldn't do so because it wouldn't be great storytelling.

You never know; Riot has made some fairly radical decisions.

If they wanted to remove their friendship, they wouldn't "remove" it, they would "sever" it. If Veigar truly wanted to be evil, he would have to break that poor Yordle girl's heart first. And besides, let's be honest, a villain with some heartstrings tied to the world, maybe with a little sentiment or even love (someone please remove these shipping goggle off of me!), is infinitely more interesting than your standard mustache-twirling "take over the world" villain.

By all that is unholy and malicious, my necrotic, black heart cannot endure such temptation. On the one hand, friendship, on the other, mental and emotional torment is the most exquisite anguish to inflict on another (visceral violence is for amateurs). There is no greater pain than betrayal close to one's heart.

Because, let's be honest. Who was more interesting, Loki from Thor or that one CEO dude in Iron Man nobody cares about? See, it's all about characters we care about, good or evil. The more connections they have with the world, the more relationships (good or bad) they have, the more reason they have to live and breathe in this world.

True, it engenders sympathy, or at the very least understanding, deepening an audience's investment of a particular character.

Do we really care about how Singed harmed Noxus troops, or do we really care about how it set Riven upon her journey into exile?

Is this a trick question?

The EcdysiastNov 24, 20151 votes

Yes, we must allow Veigar to commit more acts of villainy. Such as helping the scouts with their bake sale.

RalanrNov 24, 20152 votes

So that's why they're so expensive.

THE FIEND!!!

ShmoovusNov 24, 20151 votes

Cross your fingers and knock on wood.

Veigar item 3110 Lulu

(Closest thing to a heart I could find)

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20151 votes

Veigar http://www.dafont.com/forum/attach/orig/4/4/446581.jpg?1 Lulu

MarbelaraNov 24, 20152 votes

To be honest, I've always been curious if you're against that pairing or you're just poking fun at people.

Do you think they're better platonically than romantically, if I may ask? If so, is it a matter of preference or some serious reason, like being worried an intimate, romantic relationship could be badly executed or change their character too much?

I'm not judging (I love that relationship anyhow), but as I've said, I'm really curious.

Though you can just keep being ambiguous and keep me on my toes :D

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20152 votes

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To be honest, I've always been curious if you're against that pairing or you're just poking fun at people.

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Do you think they're better platonically than romantically, if I may ask? If so, is it a matter of preference or some serious reason, like being worried a relationship could be badly executed or change their character too much?

To be completely transparent, the concept of a relationship is an incredibly complex subject, as any number of variables and modifiers significantly alter the nature of its expression. The most prevalent conception of a relationship is of an intimate, romantic connection, while the full breadth of the term encompasses any and all types of bonds between one or more individuals. To further compound this convolution is the fact that not all intimate associations involve love, and those that do may fall into any particular category of love: Agape (brotherly love, charity), Eros (intimate love or sexual passion), Philia (dispassionate love, virtuous love, friendship), and Storge (natural empathy, familial love).

In regards to Lulu and Veigar, the nature of their relationship is left so ambiguous, thanks to an absence of concrete lore for either, that it has been largely at the discretion of the community to define it. At best, we can infer from their personalities, via quotes, how each might react in response to one another and form a basic of how their connection might develop. Regardless of its extent, their relationship would have serious ramifications.

Veigar is self-serving power-monger with a pension for violence. Him seeing value in another, perhaps enough to consider them exempt from his machinations, would conflict with his selfish attitude and cause substantial tension. Would he ever go so far as to abandon his interests for the benefit of another or simply discard the offending distraction in favor of completing his goals? Either decision would be a mark of character development, development of noble qualities in the former and giving in to his villainy in the latter.

Lulu places much greater value in connections for the purpose of fun and the happiness that comes with it, whether they are merely a means to an end, I cannot say. For her, friendship comes easy, but any relation that demands greater dedication would clash with her free spirit; Lulu exists in her own world, head in the clouds. Intimacy demands stability, and it is in that level of commitment Lulu would undoubtably experience difficulty.

I'm not judging (I love that relationship anyhow), but as I've said, I'm really curious.

Though you can just keep being ambiguous and keep me on my toes :D

To be honest I enjoy fictional friendships for their ambiguity; an audience can infer whatever they desire, from amicable association to subtle devotion, without explicit confirmation. This causes no shortage of speculation and conflict among parties with differing interpretations, sowing confusion and frustration in ample amounts, which I find endlessly amusing.

Suffice to say, I endorse whichever possibility generates the maximum output of grief without entirely breaking the victims of such uncertainty.

MarbelaraNov 24, 20152 votes

Heheh :D I'm not sure what I expected you'd say, but now that I've gotten it, you have me agreeing! (and, dissapointingly, with nothing clever left to say v.v;;;)

Thank you for the answer! I'll make sure to specify the relationship type in the future to avoid confusion, though yes, I've had a romantic, intimate relationship in mind, or as close to a romantic, intimate relationship those two are capable of.

(Aaaand you've had me conclude that if, by some miracle, they got together in a romantic, intimate relationship, the result would be charming... and very, very wacky. Baleful, even.

Oh boy.

EDIT: It seems my shipping googles just won't come off to leave without the above statement, sorry! I'll try to tone them down from now on. Though imagining the wackily romantic doings of these two, is way too much fun and I jump at it every chance I get, even if it's improbable. Excuse me. Now I've actually got pretty nervous about it;;;;)

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20152 votes

To each their own; you like what you like, there is no shame in that.

MarbelaraNov 24, 20152 votes

There is, however, me not wanting to look silly. I find you to be a clever and admirable person and this conversation is a prime example why. I wouldn't want to make you uncomfortable and, honestly, I'd really prefer to agree with you. You make very good points.

Thank you for respecting my opinion, though. Cheers.

Phil FlyNov 24, 20151 votes

Where's Rivini when you need him

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20153 votes

I actually played a match with them by pure chance.

Made a complete fool of myself and lost the game...

Ironclad DragonNov 24, 20151 votes

Yes, destroy all that you hold dear. Yisss. Destroy the dimensions of your favorite character. http://49.media.tumblr.com/7bd79b5d3a0d4fee9675d393c9d65fb9/tumblr_nt3sn1dS5m1tcmjyho2_r3_250.gif

By the way, if you can't recognize that this is a joke, then I pity you.

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20151 votes

#BACK, YOU FIEND!

http://www.thelandofshadow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/HobbitBlackArrowa2b.jpg

Ironclad DragonNov 24, 20152 votes

http://45.media.tumblr.com/0cbb8022aaf1669927ccedebd4daff74/tumblr_ny6q2fjE2L1srijklo3_500.gif For now.

PuynsiNov 24, 20151 votes

wasnt lulu borderline psychotic?

A Superb VillainNov 24, 20153 votes

I prefer the term socially detached.

ShawnThornNov 24, 20151 votes

You many Nerf Veigar 's kit You many Nerf Veigar 's Core Items You many Nerf Veigar 's Final Boss Tallness

BUT I WILL BE DAMNED BEFORE I ALLOW A NERF TO HIS FRIENDSHIPS DAMMIT

I like it when a champ is not black/white, I like it when the hero is not all that good a person, and the villain is someone you could drink a beer in the pub with. This interaction adds that gray to Veigar that he needs to be a gray villain (although a villain non the less Garen ) as opposed to stereotypical DrMundo Morgana Swain Sion Lissandra