Pajama Guardians? Why wouldn't you just make them chromas?

Pixie Storm·Nov 6, 2018·75 votes·17,342 views

I don't get it. It just feels like you guys couldn't find literally any other champion who needed the skins more? I own all the SG skins so it's a little confusing who is your target?

51 Comments

AquinasNov 6, 201847 votes

It's a blatant moneygrab, the skins are the exact same as the SG skins but with minor changes. Truly disgusting.

Camille FerrøsNov 6, 20183 votes

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It's a blatant moneygrab, the skins are the exact same as the SG skins but with minor changes. Truly disgusting.

Agree but atleast we will get a short story and some merch

Bananas of DoomNov 7, 20182 votes

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Agree but atleast we will get a short story and some merch

When did stories cost money?! Also merch it is PLENTY of.

Camille FerrøsNov 7, 20181 votes

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When did stories cost money?! Also merch it is PLENTY of.

Yes merch does cost but at least we are getting some .

GreenLoreNov 6, 20186 votes

Honestly I feel like the concept is fine(giving us different versions of skins for a cheaper price if you own the regular skin already),but I feel like only getting a -30% discount for a skin that is very similar to one that you already own is honestly not enough,it should be at least -50%(though I guess you can combine it with the regular skinsale,I wonder how the reductions would stack).

SpecterVonBarenNov 7, 20182 votes

HOW DARE Riot try to make money in the only way they can through this game! It's not like you can just not fucking buy them!

WolfeurNov 7, 20183 votes

So, they make more skins, you can buy either and have no obligation to do so. What's the issue?

AquinasNov 7, 20182 votes

They basically duplicated a skin line and made minor changes to it. The efforts put into that could've been put into champions that are in more dire need of skins instead of champs like ezreal who have 11 skins lol

SpiritAnomalyNov 7, 20183 votes

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They basically duplicated a skin line and made minor changes to it. The efforts put into that could've been put into champions that are in more dire need of skins instead of champs like ezreal who have 11 skins lol

Because these are the most played champions, and you know they gotta milk the money out of basement dwellers who borrow their mother's credit cards.

Luxanna MagicaNov 15, 20181 votes

that they're most likely replacing ACTUAL Star Guardian skins this year maybe?????

WolfeurNov 15, 20181 votes

By that logic, every skin that is not a Star Guardian skin is replacing a potential Star Guardian skin.

Luxanna MagicaNov 16, 20181 votes

yes, because every skin is an alternative star guardian skin released around the same time of year the real Star Guardians would be released lmao

WolfeurNov 17, 20181 votes

We've got two batches of star guardian skins, so now it's supposed to be an annual thing??

Come on, we've got 10 of them already, that's more than most skin lines…

Luxanna MagicaNov 17, 20181 votes

Yes, just like PROJECT, and Dark Star, and all the other skin lines they release new skins for around the same time every year. It would be really stupid of them to cancel one of their most popular skin lines in the same year they're outed as a piece of shit company internally.

WolfeurNov 17, 20181 votes

And yet, Dark Star only has 7 skins (if you consider Rhaast as one), and PROJECT has 12, only 2 more than Star Guardian for 3 batches instead of 2.

Star Guardian already has plenty, and there is only so much Riot can do. The Leona skins must have been very long to make, and the 5 Pajama skins are nice to have while not requiring much less work than fully new Star Guardians.

Child of the PitNov 6, 201815 votes

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GreenLoreNov 6, 201810 votes

Because they aren't chromas,they have different models and ~~recalls~~ than the different ones,hence why Riot is essentially introducing a new kind of skins(technically not completely new,we had the lancer Blitzcranks before): Variations,which allow more differences than chromas.

EDIT: Was wrong about the recalls,they still have a different model though and thus I'd agree with Broken Fangz,that 750 would be a fine price if you already own the star guardian skins.

LarrietNov 6, 201810 votes

Prestige Edition skins are also pretty similar in concept to Variants.

SukishooNov 7, 20183 votes

Yes, though the only prestige was done for 2500 tokens and possible to return as a Gemstone skin since it is in the Mythic category. So would you rather see Gemstone skin variants that can cost $1000s just to get or a skin at 1350 that is a different variant?

LarrietNov 7, 20182 votes

I wouldn't rather either; I don't need to get both Variant skins if I like only one of them. I'm definitely not getting both Variants of the Leona skin.

SukishooNov 7, 20182 votes

Then don't get either, problem solved.

Autrah FangNov 6, 20184 votes

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Because they aren't chromas,they have different models and recalls than the different ones,hence why Riot is essentially introducing a new kind of skins(technically not completely new,we had the lancer Blitzcranks before): Variations,which allow more differences than chromas.

The Pajama Guardian skins (the ones that the OP is complaining about) actually don't have different recalls at all. They are literally just a different model. Which should be discounted to 750 if you already own the original skin, if you take into account the current pricing rules for 750 skins. (just a different model, no new anything else)

If it turns out that they have different particle effects when they hit the PBE then I would understand the discount they have as of now, but from just the reveal video anything other than 750 is a ripoff.

GreenLoreNov 6, 20181 votes

Yeah I agree that the price reduction isn't enough(and 750 seems like a fitting price),I just think the concept is overall ok,since it allows Riot to make cheaper skins with the particles of more expensive ones.

SakowitzNov 6, 20183 votes

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Because they aren't chromas,they have different models and recalls than the different ones,hence why Riot is essentially introducing a new kind of skins(technically not completely new,we had the lancer Blitzcranks before): Variations,which allow more differences than chromas.

yeah but blitz hadn't gotten a skin for quite a while, and the two concepts are literally night and day. Lux - has all the skins she could possible need, Ezreal - just got a VU and last skin was star guardian, Miss Fortune - Recently (recently enough) had an ultimate skin, Soraka - her last skin was star guardian but doesnt get skins often, Lulu - As lulu doesn't get too much love, it's passable for me, plus she got the cosmic skin in between.

to a point..... i agree

TisBisNov 7, 20181 votes

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Because they aren't chromas,they have different models and ~~recalls~~ than the different ones,hence why Riot is essentially introducing a new kind of skins(technically not completely new,we had the lancer Blitzcranks before): Variations,which allow more differences than chromas.

EDIT: Was wrong about the recalls,they still have a different model though and thus I'd agree with Broken Fangz,that 750 would be a fine price if you already own the star guardian skins. it should be an expensive chroma

SukishooNov 6, 20189 votes

Chromas are just a color change. People need to stop trying to use this term for a reskinning. These skins still have new effects, animations, ect even if they reuse some assets of existing skins.

Akali PrimeNov 6, 201812 votes

i HIGHLY doubt theyll have new effects. theyre just glorified chromas AT MOST worth 520 rp

SukishooNov 6, 20183 votes

Well i didnt mean 100% new effects, more or less like the models, they will use an alternate variant that better suits the theme but is still somewhat like the original (even if they say just recolor the effects)

FrickfaceNov 7, 20183 votes

They are literally reusing the same assets from the original SG line. Same recall animations. They are literally just slightly re-modelled SG skins.

SukishooNov 7, 20182 votes

Yes, but we didn't know that then. They are still 1350 worth skins, they come with different models, effects and sounds when compared to the base champion. So they aren't going to be sold for any less. With the discount though they are now 742 as it's now been increased, so if you own one version you can get the other for much less.

FrickfaceNov 7, 20181 votes

The price discount is fine, I won't be touching them and I don't personally want to encourage this from Riot. That's just my take on it, whoever enjoys these skins, good for them. They might be skins with different particles and models from the base, but that doesn't change the fact that they were half the effort from Riot being sold for ultimately the same price. I'm incredibly disappointed that instead of just waiting for a new SG team we got rehashed skins with unoriginal particles and recalls.

Pixie StormNov 7, 20182 votes

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The price discount is fine, I won't be touching them and I don't personally want to encourage this from Riot. That's just my take on it, whoever enjoys these skins, good for them. They might be skins with different particles and models from the base, but that doesn't change the fact that they were half the effort from Riot being sold for ultimately the same price. I'm incredibly disappointed that instead of just waiting for a new SG team we got rehashed skins with unoriginal particles and recalls.

I want some of them too but like I don't want to encourage it either?

FrickfaceNov 7, 20182 votes

It's definitely not a fun position to be in, and I sort of feel like no matter what Riot will come out and say "these were profitable so we decided we will do more of these!" because like... how can such a low effort product not be profitable when certain people will buy it no matter what, not to mention mains and die-hards who have to have the skins or certain ones? I dunno, it's a frustrating position to be in. Mind you, I adore the SG skin line. So much. But I can't spend money on these and not feel like it's a waste.

Pixie StormNov 7, 20182 votes

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It's definitely not a fun position to be in, and I sort of feel like no matter what Riot will come out and say "these were profitable so we decided we will do more of these!" because like... how can such a low effort product not be profitable when certain people will buy it no matter what, not to mention mains and die-hards who have to have the skins or certain ones? I dunno, it's a frustrating position to be in. Mind you, I adore the SG skin line. So much. But I can't spend money on these and not feel like it's a waste.

Yeah it’s definitely super tough. As an artist I respect these individuals going out of their way to make it but did none of them think: “well maybe we should invest in something else?” I don’t see myself getting any unless it’s from a my shop event where the price is lowered from 750 to maybe 520

FrickfaceNov 7, 20182 votes

I'm just going to save my muns for the Coven skins, which are super badass. Maybe the Pajama Guardians will go on sale and be down to 520~ for those who own OG Guardians so anyone not particularly for them can feel a little bit better about snagging some of them.

I QNov 6, 20186 votes

They confirmed that the Legendary Leona Variant has new VFX as well as changed effects. So we know it's possible.

Akali PrimeNov 6, 20182 votes

nope. watch skin spotlights, literally no change other than the pajamas

Autrah FangNov 7, 20182 votes

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nope. watch skin spotlights, literally no change other than the pajamas

I Q was talking about the legendary Leona skin variant specifically. He made no mention of the pajama skins :)

DeracadaVenomNov 6, 20182 votes

You know what i wanna see? Pajama guardian URGOT

WolfeurNov 7, 20182 votes

They're different models, so no, they can't be chromas.

BjørnetjenestenNov 7, 20181 votes

More starguardian skins.... nice priorities.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

WolfeurNov 7, 20181 votes

They sell well, what do you expect?

KFCeytronNov 7, 20181 votes

Are we really that surprised that a Popstar Ahri 2.0 skin is followed by SG 2.0 skins? People are buying them, and it's a lot easier and more profitable to keep tweaking existing skins for popular champions than it is to make entirely new skins with different themes for unpopular champions. One day, this game will consist of nothing but Ahri, Lux, and Jinx mains fighting over who gets first pick... but at least they'll each have a hundred "unique" skins to choose from.

ScubaVampireNov 7, 20181 votes

Maybe just price them at more expensive chroma???? That would solve my problem with them. Or at 750. It would fit that tier because it's an existing skin/base in the game that basically gets different clothes. Please Riot.

WolfeurNov 7, 20181 votes

If you own the SG equivalent, they will cost 742.

BestealNov 7, 20181 votes

New model apparently.

Don LupusNov 8, 20181 votes

Cause all the weebs and egrills will throw money at it. The wirst thing is that those awful skins get icons while the magnificent Coven-skins don't

Pixie StormNov 8, 20181 votes

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Cause all the weebs and egrills will throw money at it. The wirst thing is that those awful skins get icons while the magnificent Coven-skins don't

But I’m an egirl and I don’t wanna throw money at it ;n; maybe if it was like pajam guardian Kennen