The Holy Trinity being, 
They're the ones who are in need of a rework. And the most requested.
I just hope that Nunu is the one that CertainlyT is doing because he can top/jungle. But it might be rammus,pant,cho'gath or mundo because they can top/jungle too.
Wish me luck with my NUNU request.
Häxel19 votes most requested? Ha
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Blood Magicks3 votesGaren, Trynd and Yi have already had VGUs.
Nocturne is a s2 champion.
DarkRooster2 votesLeave my Panth, Mundo and Voli out of it. If they rework them its going to be the same garbage as always. Da fuq do they need rework for ? Don't deal enough damage ?
Edit: now that i think of most of the champions you mentioned is fine, lets not rework anything ever, they should just make new champions instead not take away everything that is unique about LoL.
DuskDaUmbreon14 votesPantheon is the definition of a toxic kit. His only purpose is to make your opponent feel miserable as they get poked into oblivion, while then becoming useless in late game.
Mundo is beaten by 800-1000g. Until then, he's unkillable.
Volibear is the definition of a statcheck. You either have enough stats (MS for ranged champions, tank stats and damage for melee ones) to beat him, or you die. He doesn't even have anything you have to time. It's run at them and mash buttons. Even Udyr takes more thought, since you at least need to decide which form to hit them with.
Every other champion there has some issues. Skarner is too built around his pillars, Malphite has a good damage point and click - and does way too much damage for a supposed tank anyways, Nocturne more or less stat-checks you as well, Cho'gath is an abomination that needs to be completely and utterly reworked, Tryndamere...well, we all know his issues, Akali is dangerously close to being a stat check (Is only held back by a couple reset mechanics and having to think of her W), and Yi isn't even viable in Bronze anymore, the one place where he was always seen as stomping everyone.
DarkRooster1 votesI still like some uniqueness, why not simply balance it ? Why everything has to be reworked ? Just release new champions, but don't rework the whole game. Its the usual story, they will take away from champion anything that was unique about it, for few weeks, months there will be huge hype until everyone realizes they are boring and play rate will drop unless they are OP enough to be in meta.
The whole rework thin has been huge fail, i can't imagine a single champion that people would liked long term after they been reworked, mostly they just mess them up even more leaving people frustrated and calling for revert which will never happen.
Just fuck it, im slowly leaving this game forever, its hopeless, there will be absolutely nothing left in LoL what people fell in love with it in first place.
Again what the fuck is the point of rework if it mostly messes up and most reworked champions are never played again ? Whole thing is another attempt to completely take out any diversity of the game and even manages to reduce champion pool that will be played though it should be doing the opposite.
Just a reminder on a fast note what got reworked, might have missed or added a bit too much, do you really want to say game went for the better because all of these got reworked ? Some where decent and went to garbage tier, some staid garbage tier, many got new tedious mechanics to play against, though reworks should remove since people cry a lot about it. Some of course shined from time to time, and very huge lot of them people still don't know whenever they will ever even be useful, but still so many of these champions were playable before and went to fucking garbage. I would rather call for balance and plenty of these would even make a great new champions.
But i am pretty sure everyone is so happy with new season, new runes, new BP currency, new urf modes, and especially with all the reworked champions nobody ever plays anymore.
GreenLore1 votesBecause some kits just feel bad to play against regardless if they are balanced or not.
If there'd be a champion who has a 50% chance to instantly win the game or lose it,would he be balanced?Yes. Would it be a fun mechanic to play as or against?No.
Besides most reworked champions are actually played more often than their previous versions(also they reverted the kog'maw rework due to balance problems).
DarkRooster1 votesNow take a look at reworked kits, you think all that is fun to play against ? If champion didn't fall to garbage tier its completely tedious to play against the reworked mechanics, with Fiora, Xin, Tarics inuverablity, against Eves charm, against getting completely nuked from Graves, Malza, MF, Reksai, Veigar, WW which is undodgable if they played it correctly, with addition of Maokai sapplings and Xerath killing you from base. Gangplank while it got stronger it went even that far that its tedious to play him YOURSELF with those barrels.
You want to say game got so much better ? Answer is no, but it definitely get less diversity through this.
Reworks obviously does not remove unfun mechanics.
GreenLore1 votesYes they are more fun to play against. Previously if Fiora got ahead in the game,then you were dead. There was no counterplay to a champion who just has to rightclick on you while using a point&clickspell or a self buff against you from time to time. Now you do have ways to actually play around her abilities. Sure she can still escalate to levels where she can faceroll over your team,but pretty much every champ has that potential to some extend.
And Taric was boring to play as and to play against him. His previous ult was simply boring. It gave a bunch of bonus stats that were barely noticeable,it didn't feel good to use it yourself and if you played against him you most likely didn't even pay attention to it.
I could go into detail as for why I prefer almost all of the reworks,but honestly I doubt you'd listen to me regardless of what I write.
Häxel3 votes"Again what the fuck is the point of rework if it mostly messes up and most reworked champions are never played again ?"
Aha. ok. Is opposite day or what?
So , who had before on q just her current passive as toggle lost playerbase, uniqunes(toggled manacosts were huge used in the past) and is now worse as before? While i sometimes also miss in which part was he unique to other adcs? Would say he is now pretty unique with his autoattacks. and while being now diffrent and still not played in competive, at least they work now in soloq. Yorick was before removed from Champrotation so bad was he for the game. for example who before had this huge impactful Ult, got changed so Seju is more unique and not the same as /
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. You can discus if some changes were needed. But not that uniqunes got lost.
Yea old and new look totaly diffrent and even work a fair amount diffrent. In my opionion the champ that got changed the most. Still, his identy of "i summon gouls" stayed basicly (practicaly it got changed from "i summon 3 diffrent gouls but am not possible to balance" to "i summon 3-8 gouls from the same kind and got a fresh new corpsewall too).
Ofc Riot has not succes with every rework. I agree that some champs like / weren't changed to something better. But "Some where decent and went to garbage tier," is just a straight imagination. Tell me one Champion that is now BY FAR worse as before. Maybe some changes didn't change that much. Still they changed something to a bit better or else Riot would already have reverted/half reverted them. Like they did with .
But your most anoying point is that: "But i am pretty sure everyone is so happy with new season, new runes, new BP currency, new urf modes, and especially with all the reworked champions nobody ever plays anymore." You see the past as if it was perfect and everybody that lives in the presence has a problem. You are like the grandfather that can't understand that cause everybody has a Smartphone and everything is now at the current level of technology more or less you can't no longer use a string telephone. Yes, that worked in the past. worked in the past. But the technical progress don't stop from anything. If a Game does not get updated it dies. Your string telephone was good in the past in comparison to other, nearly eqqaly string telephones. But now everyone uses a smartphone and your string telephone aka Volibear just can't keep up with the newer championkits. Basicly nearly every non Juggernaut Champion can kite Volibear with Mobility or with CC. Every Volibearmain knows that. They still play Voli cause they like him ofcourse but they know that he is bad. Even and 
are better with their engages. And i haven't heard from any Volibearmain who doesn't want a Volibearupdate. Ofc oppionions are diffrent how big his Update should be and what should definetly say. But no one would say that by giving a string telephone a touchscreen the problem would be solved. He needs a kitchange. Not some small Numberchanges or Addons to his current Kit. He needs at least 2 new Abilitys. So don't be an old geezer. The game was from the begin already designed to be patched frequently and be updated. And that was and is the succes of league. That it is not a consolegame that stays old and retro like some 90th Super Mario. That instead of making just every Year another league Version that needs to get purchased and has just big Jjumps like other certain games (wow, dota) it instead changes the whole time. Nothing that needs to be new purchased. And nothing that stays exactly the same over years in a supermarket. Sry for you that you can't buy your own league Season 2/Season 3 version and play it with fellowed geezers. That wasn't leagues gamedesign from the begin.
DarkRooster1 votesThat would be the case if league was as successful as before and reworks would actually work out for better. How is Ashe better now ? Before she could compare with other adc and was often played no matter how old. And also ''insert reworked champion list'', HOW IS THIS FOR ANY BETTER ? Many champions there got completely wrecked.
Reworks would be for the better in world where they did actually work out, now i feel most people are instant gratification junkies that simply want new champion no matter in what form, thats why they call for all the reworks though Riot failed at most of them.
Häxel1 votesAem, no? What you are telling is just simply a lie. Ashe was played significantly less before her rework. Ashes big playrate was maybe at the time before any other adc existed. But by just implementing new, better adcs ashe got not played anymore. Than she got her rework and players started to play her again. The "championship Ashe" skin is just the proof of her succes. And even if many old champs got reworked, it is not that their playrate got destroyed. They have now either a biger palyrate or the same playrate, but not less. People don't want new champions in any form. THey want their champion to be good vs new champions of all forms. If a championdesign from 2013 isn't good anymore compared to actual championdesigns it just feels terrible to play that odl champion. Even if some essence will get lost, the charakter and the main essence stays most times the same.
DarkRooster1 votes''THey want their champion to be good vs new champions of all forms.'' Sadly that is rarely the case with reworks.
I have not seen a single Ashe in summoners rift since rework hype died down, even then it was quite small, also i think i am the only fucking one from 500 friends i have in Lol that even owns championship Ashe. Previously Ashe at least had her first hit which nuked half enemies life and then nice attack speed next 4 - 5 hits to finish them off.
Just checked the stats, she is exactly where she was in her playrate, almost exactly same 7% popularity and 48% win, though that would still make my point where reworks should actually help, but they just don't deliver, what they actually do is what i mentioned.
I think we said all there is and can predict each others replies. I am simply salty they fuck over every champion i liked. Last one being Eve, where rework also lost her uniqueness and 500 hours of her old self and very specific playstyle i perfected is again down the drain. Now if they fuck up Pantheon and Mundo, i admit they should be tweaked a bit, since either they are OP or they are unplayable dependable on season, but they will probably fuck them over and that will make 100% my champion pool. I don't believe they ever do reworks to fix anything, most cases they even manage to create more problems with it. These are the same people that can't fix endless bugs with Morde and after Syndra passive rework now she has 3 almost game breaking bugs as well from which 1 was since the day she was released.
Sorry for not having any faith in this shit since Tencent took over Riot.
Häxel2 votesSry but i have seen far more ashes after as before the ashre rework. Ofcourse there was an rewrork hype. There were also times ashe was hard meta or alternative like early in 2017(season 7 start) ashe was an alternative for Jhin or Varus. Still Ashe got played far morer after her Rework as before. Just to remember, befor her Rework Adc Itemisation was still bad, items to go on adc were Ie, Phantomdancer, Bloodthirster. She got more viabel but still wasn't on the strong side cause runans was still just an attackspeeditem. After Runans got changed to an crit item ashe got realy strong (preseason 6/season 6) and she remained on this level for 2 Years. As someone who played ashe before and after her Rework much i can tell you that the rework of her and the rework of runans helped her much and definetly playrate increased. There was a time where ashe just couldn't crit after her rework and critchanche just made her damage bigger, but that got changed so that crits just make her damage now little bitter on her passive but her autos are still a normal crit. 48% Winrate tos ay is totaly dumb cause over 2 Years she ahd a positive winrate and just cause Runerework made some impact doens't say the rework was a failure. There is basicly no one who wants her passive abck on q to be a toggle manaspend ability cause that just was anoying. her new q is great. to have 2 GLOBAL es is great (maybe that wll get nerfed in the future ause it is op in pro play) and just cause her focus passive and gold on e got removed from he rkit for her rework for the new q and extra damage on slows doesn't mean she is worse now. She is by far on greater succes. So are most Champs. That mordekaiser has some a lot of Bugs and Syndra 3 ow is another Case and has nothing to do if the Updates were failures or not. Also this: "Sorry for not having any faith in this shit since Tencent took over Riot.". This was maybe a year ago. Most reworks already happened before.
DarkRooster1 votesYou really love to ignore most of what i said, pointless. Shit they touch being wrecked and good has everything to do with re works, SINCE THE SAME HAS HAPPENED WITH THEM.
Tencent has been full owners for 2 years. Nice correlation with end of decent urf, new client which at the moment has more than 10 bugs, removal of half the fun mods, peak of lethality, and complete shitting on veteran players.
Häxel1 votesOk. Now here you just told Bull*** . Where was the shitting on Veteran Players? Where? Tell me? Most obvius guess would be Runes Reforged and Ip Rate you got back from purchasing runes? Well, the real Veteran Players already had every rune and have every champion, so they didn't care how much Ip they would have get back. They probably would have been fine with getting 0 Ip back cause after all they don't have realy anything important to spend on it. But wait: At least Riot gave them now Super-expensive Icons, Emotes and Urfwick to spend on it. Not the best, but better as nothing and anythign riod had done before. No, the people who cried were just a few babys here who played maybe the game for 3, 4 years and obviusly don't have all Champions but invested otherwise much in runes. If yomeone would own all champs he would not cry. But even here it is still fair that Riot gave you something back. You know, they developed a whole new System for free and for everyone: For the Ultraveterans, the Semi Veterans and Newbies that maybe didn't spend any Ip or Rp (and as far as i know Rp got paid back full or converted to Skisn you got back). For free. For every Ip mre spent Riot would give back they would lost even more money. And it is not that the ip someone used on Runes were spend on nothing. Yea, it now vansihed but it was used for actual better games for yourself, for games you probably won more as you would ahve without these runes. At least you got something back which Riot already has cost much but was still in an aczeptional %rate for them even with loosing money. But you can't say that for example buying a Car, driving with it 500 000km and selling it for the same amount you bought it. You used it, you had a better experience (as for example walking these 500 000km or using another service) and you get some money back. Big diffrence here is that after selling your car you normaly have to buy a new one and most times you have to spend more money as you got from your old car. Here you get the new system for free. You realy paid nothing additional for runes reforged. You have your 2 standard runepages, runepages you purchased before converted and even 5 additional presetpages. Sure, yu can still spend Be for additional Runepages like in the old system till you have 20. But that is not even necesary cause you can edit them in Champselect and could probably be ok with just only 1 page (and you goot at least 2). So crap with this "shitting on veteran players". Tell me a reason why it should be Tencesn impact of decent Urf. Riot made their own decisions already till they existed. From closing the dotaforum and bringing every fan of the old, free dotaera to hate them to the Updtate on Karma where some Karmapalyers are still pissed on to the Upgrade of Twisted Treeline or the Removal of Dominion, which some players cared much and some are fine with it (todays tt) or don't care (never had a reason to play these so why care if Dominion is now away). Removal of half funmodes, wow. Before we had free Rotate Gamemodes and New Client, Gamemodes where Rar. Sure, ow some Gamemodes you see now more often while others are rar but that has multiple diffrent reasons. To conect this with your critc of current Client and his 10 Bugs: You would be realy ignorant if yous ay that old client/clients never had thier bugs. And totaly dumb if you say that it is Tencents fault that we now have a Client which works worse or that bugs get slower removed (which is simpyl not true). Yea, soem gamemodes liek one for all are still missing. Implementing a new client makes ofcourse new problem and Riot even said One for all will return ( it is not as Tencent wants One for All to never to return), its just that riot needs to work out so it is comportable with the New Client. Peak of lethalaty. WOW wtf the tip on the icecake of absurdnes which is your critc: A balance decision. Why should a chinese company want another balance or unhealthy balance as riot wanted it before geting owned by Tencent? Beside that Lethalaty has its own Good adn Bad States and Old Armorpen was never balanced as well. You know even if conecting Balance to being owned by Tencent it is stupid, to bring lethalaty and not other, bigger Problems as why in Reality beside Tanks (which counter lethalaty still) Mages dominate League, proplay for example and not lethalatyassassins, is jsut even more absurd. People who say that Lethalaty is busted are just people who can not play vs Zed, Talon, Kha; Rengar, Kayn, Mf, basicly the Lethalatyusers. Lethalaty, as any other stat or itemline if you want to say it like that, has its own strong and weakstances (ever hear of the word "meta"?). So yea, there are metas there these champs are strong. And there are metas where these champs are weak. But people who cry over lethalaty cry still why these champs already ahve a 44% winrate. Its the same with Yasuo, Vayne and Fizz Crybabys. So, no, Tencent has nothing to do with Crybabys. They existed already from the start.
Sry, didn't understand what you said on your first paragraph between. But if you say i ignored your arguemnts and points: I just didn't see any real arguments or destroyed them step by step and you gave just no real new points why your arguments should be stronger as mine.
Digielf3 votes
Master Yi and Garen both got visual updates... you can clearly see the difference between them and all the others you posted
Ayzev1 votesThe problem is in their gameplay, not their looks.
GreenLore1 votesWhat are Garen and Yi doing in your laugh? They both got a visual update already and are visually pretty close to the standards of todays champions.
Sure they could get a gameplay update,but those are done seperately from VGUs.
I'd also say that Skarner is also not nearly as bad as the others. Sure he could need a rework,but he won't need a full VGU anytime soon.
Grimm Howl18 votesHere is to hoping they all get their VGU soon.
Malicious Metal15 votesMordekaiser will rise once again.
Honestly, I'd be hilarious of CertainlyT would rework him to atone for the horrors of Juggernaut Patch Morde. I do like my Irony.
GrãñðmãstêrShãçø2 votesnah morde is fine i played him mid and rekted the entire enemy team
Malicious Metal9 votesI'm a 1.4 Million mastery points, 65% ranked winrate Diamond 3 Mordekaiser main.
He's extremely strong in the right hands but he still requires a VGU simply because he has a horribly flawed kit that lacks agency and he's has some of the most outdated visuals in the game.
Jinx Hunter1 votesI agree with Metal, if anyone knows Mord. They do.
ldsjm415 votesI mean, they did the last holy trinity this year
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so it's possible
Killaburn1 voteslol
Vesemir9 votesI hope CertainlyT can stay away from designing champions after that abomination called ZOE
HonestJohnTheCon5 votesWarwick was good, which was the most recent time he VGU'd. (Probably because other people were there to keep him in check). He uses creative champ design mechanics to an extreme, but the result is amazing if he has another more practical Rioter checking his stuff.
Doctor Dyment3 votesHe's the George Lucas of champion design. Get people to reign him in and his work is great. Without that he floats away into oblivion.
Zarvanis3 votes(Probably because other people were there to keep him in check)
So, CertaintlyT is like kind of like George Lucas? He has good ideas, but if you let him go unchecked, he'll create an abomination.
Warwick's rework is akin to the original Star Wars, while 
Yasuo is Attack of the Clones.
Epicurus6 votesNunu has so much potential, and it would be good for an upcoming rework to focus on a fun, light-hearted champion. I'm hoping reworked Nunu is even trollier than Ivern.
Killaburn4 votesyes, so much potential yet riot ignores him till now.. but i hope that he is indeed the next vgu candidate.
Chembaron Yamada6 votesShuriman Earthquake Demigod of OKness.
Killaburn2 votesi lol'd buddy.
Garentheon4 votesI believe Nunu will be announced soon.
I am most eager for a Pantheon VGU
General Esdeath 3 votesI remember when the trinity was
Killaburn1 voteslmao, me too.
Poolparty Sauron2 votesMordekaiser can jungle too you know. Hell he is almost immortal in the jungle thx to his W. If it doesnt bug out and crash the entire server or something.
YiffMeImAFurry2 votesJax could use a vgu...his basic attack animation just looks blerg. I've always thought his abilities don't match his supposed capability as a warrior. But his lore is new now...so
Jinx Hunter1 votesThere is a reason why people call him old propeller dick xD
Arakadia2 votesHow do you know these are the most requested outside of the boards/maybe reddit?
Killaburn1 votesbecause i'm a spy/collector of data :)
Blåbæret2 votes
AS I LAY FEEDING1 votesits only nunu and morde really tbh. But i want a another Shen rework his "new" kit is so bad.
Tesla Effect1 votesNo matter what you all say, 
these yordles need VGUs as well. Teemo, Veigar, and Corki have one of the oldest models in League (2009) and all of their older skins are lackluster. Seeing as how Poppy, Tristana, and Heimerdinger as so visually amazing, I would just like to point out that Yordles still need some love too.
Violet Fields1 votesRiot releasing Kled was basically their message of "fuck those guys, we don't care about them anymore."
Who is Taliyah1 votesNunu is one of the most, if not THE most unplayable champion in the game right now.
He needs that rework so much more than any other champion.
Craft Zeppelin1 votesThat Nunu buff with rune rework was insane. ...With predator look at the speed he can run it down mid.
big boi edri1 votes is one of the most requested? He’s a viable champ the way he is, they should spend some time on 
. His need for a VGU far outweighs (in my opinion, I know it probably isn’t the most popular one).
They’re both point and click and outdated, but at least Pantheon has a good passive and solid strengths. has an outdated, garbage passive. His lane phase is weak and has been for quite some time. He has severe mana issues, no sustain, no poke, no escape, and is hard countered by 
(though that could be said for several other champs as well).
I’m thinking, if you’re going to rework a champ based on their outdated kits, at least pick the shitty one. Hell the last time they even touched Wukong was a slight buff to his passive which was negligible. To find any other changes they made to him, you’ll have to go back years.
