Old Xerath vs. New Xerath: Are they the same person?

Valaran Nara·10/21/2014, 12:46:47 AM·13 votes·2,645 views

Finally, Riot has given us what they promised us: the extended lore. Now we don't have to glare at the vast emptiness of those 3 lines of backdrop; however, now we have a dillema: is this New Xerath the same Xerath? All over the boards, people are crying out "Rito, what have you done? This isn't Xerath! Why?" Well, I just want to put my two cents in, tackle some of the common complaints about new vs. old and compare the similarities and differences.

Now, when the lore retcon happen, there was a concern for the lore of certain champions who RELIED on the League. There were champions whose lore and background tied in more heavily with the League than others. One of these examples may be Orianna.

Orianna's aspiration was to join the League, and it was all which she desired. Unfortunately, she died to turret fire during training and died. This is what many people whose complaints about Orianna stems from. She wanted to join the League! And she died trying; however, what a rioter said about Orianna was to the contrary. Riot wants to keep the core of their champions. At Orianna's core is a young girl who made strides and strove to achieve a dream. Unfortunately, the young girl met a tragic fate. Grief stricken, her father went to a somewhat questionable extent to create a clockwork version of his daughter to carry on her dream. This is the core of Orianna. Her desire to join the League is a detail

With that said, let's have that tidbit go through our minds as I try to compare Old Xerath vs. New Xerath.

Old Xerath was a Magus. He was a man who sought one thing: power. But not any kind of power. He wanted magic power, ARCANE power. He was deep into his studies, forsaking everyone for the sake of achieving his goal. He was above his peers in many ways, and one of them was obviously intellect. By the time it came for him to achieve his most sought after dream, it was already too late to turn back. In the aftermath, his home was destroyed and laid to ruins. In his blindness, he lost something most dear to him, his wife Tabia. After the destruction, men came to lock Xerath away inside a sarcophagus where he remained until he finally broke free.

Okay, this is the Xerath of old. The one many of the older lore fans know of. Now, what of the New Xerath?

New Xerath was a slave who eventually gained the title of Magus. Because of him being in slavery, there was one thing he sought more than anything else: freedom. He craved it so much that he was willing to forsake everyone in order to acquire it. Even if it meant destroying the empire he grew to loath. Xerath was highly educated and elevated through the ranks quickly. He was a VERY learned man. By the time it came for him to achieve his most sought after dream, it was too late to turn back. In the aftermath of the ascension, Shurima was destroyed and laid to ruins. In his blindness, he lost something most dear to him. It was his prince, his friend, his brother. After the destruction, Nasus and Renekton came to subdue Xerath and lock him away in first a sarcophagus (didn't work) and then the tomb where Xerath remained until he was finally freed.

So, is the New Xerath still the Old Xerath? Or did they change the fundamental nature of the man? Most of us already have a negative outlook on the narrative team, and that's understandable, but they upheld their end of the promise (so far.) Xerath, at his core, is the same.

1.) Freedom vs. Power

The old Xerath craved power. The new Xerath craved freedom. Are they different? Yes, they are, but here is the thing: He still craved. He still craved, and he went through great lengths to achieve them. It was his goal. His ultimate end-game. If anything, we can say his aspiration and purpose.

2.) Intellect

Xerath is still highly intelligent. Just because it was not said immediately that he studied 24/7, the fact remained that he is very educated. The old Xerath studied alone in isolation, trying to gain as much knowledge as he possibly can. New Xerath had schooling. He very well may have went through the great library in Shurima (which I'm sure they have) and studied. And for those that say old Xerath is smarter: do you truly think that an uneducated man could have achieved such a feat? New Xerath pulled strengths. Made bribes. Knew who to execute. He had a very detailed plan. And for most, Ascension is a ritual based on magic and mystery. Xerath learned more about Ascension than possibly any other singular individual in Shurima. If not, then how would he know HOW to tamper with the ritual to cause such a disaster? The man is no fool.

3.) Personal Lost

Now, I know. I know. Xerath lost his wife, Tabia. And yes, it is tragic. It's something that a lot of people feel sympathy for. The lost of his wife had struck a chord in the man. However, the lost of somebody dearly important to him is a detail that was altered. Xerath had still lost a family member. That family being Azir. Yes, I know, they aren't blood brothers, but Azir is still family. At the end of Unbound, it read:

Too late, friend. Too late, brother. Far too late for us all.

Azir trusted Xerath fully and completely. It would not be hard to believe that Azir considered Xerath family. Both New and Old Xerath did not realize what they have forsaken, what they have truly lost which was prescious to them until it was too late. They lost their family. for Old Xerath, it was Tabia. For New, it was Azir.

4.) Aftermath

Well, yeah. New Xerath went a bit further in casualties than Old Xerath, but details details. The thing is, they both brought ruin to their homes. Old Xerath was his village/town. New Xerath: Shurima. Old Xerath was subdued by the likes of multiple guards/warriors/mages/etc. and locked away for centuries. New Xerath was subdued and locked away by Nasus and Renekton.

Details. Details. Details.

When bringing all of this into mind, sure! There are some things that are different, but there are things that are still the same. Xerath in both is still a man who had a singular goal they dedicated their lives to. Xerath was a highly educated man who went through exorbitant means to reach his goal. Xerath is still a man blinded by this goal and his desire to reach just that. Xerath is still a man who, in the end, brought destruction and ruin to his home. In the end, Xerath is still a man who has lost everything.

**Note

For those who may think "well, old Xerath regretted his decision" and things of that nature, so did the new one! During all of Unbound, his opinion of Azir was garbage, but when Azir finally gave the man his freedom, he...was awe-struck. Xerath noted that it was too late. This did not mean "Oh, too late now. You should have given it too me sooner." What was meant is "No! What have I done. It's...it's too late now. There's nothing I can do to stop this." He felt regret.

For those who are confused about how in-game Xerath is nothing like lore Xerath: they are very similar. Here's how: remember Renekton? Both Renekton and Xerath was locked away in a tomb for thousands of years. Now, here we go. I am sure many (not all) would say "Xerath drove him insane cause Xerath is EVIL! Hey, he is evil. Stop laughing!" Well, here's the thing, both Xerath and Renekton were in isolation. Isolation could be seen as a form of torture where it's just you, alone, with no stimuli. It's just isolation. Loneliness. You stuck with your thoughts. And while Rene has Xerath, and Xerath had Rene, it was still OVER A THOUSAND YEARS! Renekton became a blood thirsty monster who wishes destruction on his brother. If isolation caused that, do you honestly believe it hasn't affected Xerath as well?

Xerath speaks of how he cannot be chained and subdued. Well, Xerath was a slave pre-ascension. I doubt he wants to go back to that, right?

Xerath speaks of how he is all powerful. The man is now arcane energy after ascension and has gone crazy. Of course he would say this. Remember, Renekton became blood thirsty. Xerath became a megalomaniac who sees himself as a god. The man's mind is warped. It doesn't matter if he starts getting memories like Sion does during war and battle. Xerath's mind has been disturbed and he's gone crazy. I mean, same thing also happened to Veigar. Little guy was given no cuddles. We all see how he ended up.

For those who say "Oh, well if he felt bad, why didn't he apologize."

...You don't honestly believe a man who JUST DESTROYED AN ENTIRE EMPIRE would...okay, hold on. You are the cause of a mass genocide, and now 2 ascended heros are coming to stop the perpetrator. What do you do?

a.) Stay where you are, apologize, and let them beat you to death b.) Run away before they come to get you c.) Hold your ground and fight them off.

I don't think many of you would go with a. No matter what ,Xerath is guilty, and the people after him are angry. Then they're going to lock him away? Oh, he isn't going to be put through that. Doesn't matter if he feels bad or not. Now it's personal survival. I'd point out the current events with police brutality and how trying to be peaceful could still get a bullet in you, but I don't think I need to bring more of that in.


All in all, I believe that Old Xerath and New Xerath are still one and the same. At the core ,they are the same individual. Sure, the details are changed, but that's setting. When stories are changed, the details are bound to be different and origins are bound to come out different from before. At the very least, we can be thankful he's not a Blue Jafar, right? RIGHT!?!?!

If there's something I missed, or you like to bring your own point in about anything I said, by all means, do so.

36 Comments

IMTOOJUICY10/21/2014, 11:42:32 AM10 votes

The Xeraths are similar in some characteristics, but they differ so much from each other in terms of motivation, I would not call them the same character.

The jealousy and bitterness within New Xerath are very much palpable throughout the new lore. He hates Azir and the elite, he hates the finery they live within, he hates the chains of tradition, etc etc. This hatred is what fuels his quest for power, imo. I honestly think that even if Azir freed Xerath soon after meeting him, Xerath would have still overthrown Azir later on.

Old Xerath, otoh, was practically above human emotion, IIRC. His original lore purposely included Tabitha to portray his serious disconnect from his emotions and feelings. He seemed to view the arcane as a new frontier to explore, not as a new weapon to smite down his fellow man with. Thirst for knowledge, not hatred, was what fueled old Xerath's quest for power.

I dunno, they are both powerful intelligent mages who share a thirst for power, but their primary motivations differ so much. The new lore maintains a good deal of old Xerath's core characteristics, but motivation is such a big part of a character, I can't really equate the two Xeraths.

Earl Eulrich10/21/2014, 11:47:52 AM9 votes

One is driven by his desire for knowledge and power - the other is driven by desire for revenge (on a broken promise).

I´m afraid they´re complete different people.

Arcus Diabolus10/21/2014, 2:08:18 PM6 votes

No, Xerath's judgment showed that he was after power and knowledge and while reckless, he was still overall moral. He was only imprisoned because of the mages' fear of how strong he would become.

He even had a lover, who he lost in a tragic accident during his ritual to become what he is today.

Now he is more of a asshole who couldn't see that Azir saw him has a friend and brother in arms and sought to kill him and everything he loves. He didn't realize the truth until it was too late.

I'm generalizing here, but my point is true nonetheless. Xerath is NOT the same.

Shokah10/21/2014, 10:33:25 AM5 votes

I want to become the best doctor in my field so that I can advance medicine in ways that haven't been studied by others. I miscalculate and some peopled died but I succeed.

VS

I want to be become the best doctor in my field so I can use that knowledge to kill someone I have felt wronged me. My plan to kill that one guy has to include all of North America and it succeeds but that dude apologized before my plan offed him and everyone else... My bad.

Would you not say those are very different men?

ThreshHugsPoros10/21/2014, 2:14:54 PM4 votes

Thing is, what is Xerath NOW? We know he corrupted the ascension ritual, but what does that exactly mean?

Why are Renekton's/Azir's/Nasus' ascensions so different compared to him? All three of them are still humanoids, with an animal theme, while for Xerath he's basically formless energy molded by the pieces of the sarcophagus that remain on him. They also have a certain sand theme in their abilities, while Xerath is simply arcane magic. That made sense in the old lore as ascension had a completely different definition, and Xerath was the only one to achieve it. Now though, you would never guess that the source of their powers come from the same ritual.

The only clue Riot has given us is that Xerath's ascension was corrupted and turned him into this being of energy. But was this what Xerath intended? Did he know that said corruption would turn him into this? If he did, what was his goal after he ascended? If Nasus and Renekton hadn't succeeded in imprisoning him, what did he intend to use his newly-found power for?

Thankfully these are all things Riot can clarify, and I hope they do eventually.

Jib Jig10/22/2014, 2:54:43 PM3 votes

Before he was a tragic hero almost. He gave up everything he knew, everything he loved but then it was far too late to change his mind and he accepted that.

Now he's just kind of a dick.

Sneak Dog10/21/2014, 9:14:59 AM3 votes

His theme is changed drastically from magic to freedom (that's what I'd call part of his theme at least), but his core seems the same (with a hint more evil).

Stars Shaper10/21/2014, 11:44:09 AM3 votes

What we need to know to make a judgement out of it is:

  • What happened when Nasus and Renekton imprisoned him.
  • What is this "Revolution" Xerath wants to pursue.
  • What happened inside the tomb.
Nveriyoth10/22/2014, 2:46:04 AM3 votes

Eh, it's still a cool direction that I didn't really expect Riot to take, what with the removal of the IoW and such. I don't really care if it's a new and different flavor so long as the new flavor tastes good, and so far it's beginning to taste a little better than it did when they announced all the retcons.

dialMARK4acti0n10/21/2014, 8:20:31 PM2 votes

I think Old Xerath is the New Xerath AFTER he spent millenia on the tomb. They just changed the reason for his Ascending and gave him a more believable backstory imho.

Ebonmaw Dragon10/21/2014, 2:29:51 AM2 votes

Its weird...

The old Xerath lost his "freedom" (and everything else) in order to have power.

The new Xerath lost his "power" in order to have freedom.

PerchancetoGame10/21/2014, 1:34:06 PM2 votes

Awesome post - was planning to say pretty much the same thing with a mega-post of my own but now I don't have to :). What I would add is something I posted in another thread responding to everyone who feels that Xerath has a less compelling motivation (freedom) in his new lore than he did in his old one (pursuit of knowledge) and that the new story make him just "a bitter jerk." Is he bitter? You bet - but personally I think he had damn good reason to be, even if his actions had a horrible fallout.

He's a slave- it means he doesn't even belong to himself, whatever else he has. Consider that for a moment. No amount of comfort, friendship, elevation or education will change the fact that he is someone's property. I doubt that any of us would be happy with the knowledge that people would view our lives as inherently worth less than that of others, and whatever value we did have was ascribed to us by someone else.

From both stories, we can see that in Xerath 's case, Azir valued him a great deal - which is great. However, there's a difference between being someone's trusted friend and confidant and being a trusted friend and confidant that they own. After a while, Xerath would begin to see Azir as either powerless to change what was a deeply engrained institution or viewing Xerath like any other slave, albeit one who he cared about a great deal - someone who's place was and always would be, at his master's beck and call. From what we can see of Xerath's character, he clearly moved towards the second conclusion - that Azir was more unwilling than unable to free him. Realizing that someone you considered your brother for most of your life doesn't believe you're worth the effort to help become your own person would likely feel like an immense betrayal.

Sure, he's the emperor's best bud which counts for a lot but that is essentially all he has. Whatever status he has comes from being the emperor's slave - as far as society is concerned he will never be a real person or the equal of a free man in his own right. Clearly, this argument can be flipped around to say that he only had all the advantages he did because he belonged to - education, comfort, etc - which he more than likely wouldn't have had if he had been a free, but presumably common, man.

That brings us to the second point though. We can see from his story that he had begun to question the stratified nature of his society - an elite few at the top given all the opportunities while the rest of the population is stuck on square one until they die. He was in a unique position, being raised among the nobles but certainly not one of them, and able to see both ends of the spectrum. This perspective on the system would (and did) lead him to wonder why the system was the way it was, which would in turn lead him to seek not just his own freedom, but to topple the entire social order and put himself in a position to rebuild it how he believed it should be.

Yes, what he did was morally wrong - causing massive collateral damage and killing likely thousands of people. That's a given. However, my point is he had fairly good reason for being extremely bitter, and that is bound to eat away at a person in general, let alone their moral framework.

Stars Shaper10/21/2014, 8:05:59 AM1 votes

They could have been if the "transiction" between one and the other would have focused on the fact that the resurrection of Azir would have made Xerath rethink of: "Time has brought ruin to the mages of Shurima and only I remain".

The fact that one of the makers of his fate has returned and wills to restore Shurima could have made the Magus Ascendant really angry. He didn't need a reset.

Trading Aces10/21/2014, 3:13:15 AM1 votes

bump worthy

Ironclad Dragon10/22/2014, 2:07:07 AM1 votes

Oh look, another Xerath complaint. I see a lot of people, in many other franchises, who work their logic enough. "How did that happen? That doesn't make sense." Granted, relying on outside media to inform a viewer of critical information is a sin, but there's a difference between that and spoon-feeding the viewer.

Xerath was regretful for having Azir's death arranged since Azir freed him in the last moment, but the body-vaporizing explosion, intense pain, reassembly as an energy being, sudden understanding of the universe, and torrent of emotion that followed, made even worse by the arrival of two monster-like beings he feared in life, who then fought and imprisoned him in a room for 1000 years, probably snapped Xerath.

He's laughing mad.