Old Xerath vs. New Xerath: Are they the same person?

Valaran Nara··13 votes·2,645 views

Finally, Riot has given us what they promised us: the extended lore. Now we don't have to glare at the vast emptiness of those 3 lines of backdrop; however, now we have a dillema: is this New Xerath the same Xerath? All over the boards, people are crying out "Rito, what have you done? This isn't Xerath! Why?" Well, I just want to put my two cents in, tackle some of the common complaints about new vs. old and compare the similarities and differences.

Now, when the lore retcon happen, there was a concern for the lore of certain champions who RELIED on the League. There were champions whose lore and background tied in more heavily with the League than others. One of these examples may be Orianna.

Orianna's aspiration was to join the League, and it was all which she desired. Unfortunately, she died to turret fire during training and died. This is what many people whose complaints about Orianna stems from. She wanted to join the League! And she died trying; however, what a rioter said about Orianna was to the contrary. Riot wants to keep the core of their champions. At Orianna's core is a young girl who made strides and strove to achieve a dream. Unfortunately, the young girl met a tragic fate. Grief stricken, her father went to a somewhat questionable extent to create a clockwork version of his daughter to carry on her dream. This is the core of Orianna. Her desire to join the League is a detail

With that said, let's have that tidbit go through our minds as I try to compare Old Xerath vs. New Xerath.

Old Xerath was a Magus. He was a man who sought one thing: power. But not any kind of power. He wanted magic power, ARCANE power. He was deep into his studies, forsaking everyone for the sake of achieving his goal. He was above his peers in many ways, and one of them was obviously intellect. By the time it came for him to achieve his most sought after dream, it was already too late to turn back. In the aftermath, his home was destroyed and laid to ruins. In his blindness, he lost something most dear to him, his wife Tabia. After the destruction, men came to lock Xerath away inside a sarcophagus where he remained until he finally broke free.

Okay, this is the Xerath of old. The one many of the older lore fans know of. Now, what of the New Xerath?

New Xerath was a slave who eventually gained the title of Magus. Because of him being in slavery, there was one thing he sought more than anything else: freedom. He craved it so much that he was willing to forsake everyone in order to acquire it. Even if it meant destroying the empire he grew to loath. Xerath was highly educated and elevated through the ranks quickly. He was a VERY learned man. By the time it came for him to achieve his most sought after dream, it was too late to turn back. In the aftermath of the ascension, Shurima was destroyed and laid to ruins. In his blindness, he lost something most dear to him. It was his prince, his friend, his brother. After the destruction, Nasus and Renekton came to subdue Xerath and lock him away in first a sarcophagus (didn't work) and then the tomb where Xerath remained until he was finally freed.

So, is the New Xerath still the Old Xerath? Or did they change the fundamental nature of the man? Most of us already have a negative outlook on the narrative team, and that's understandable, but they upheld their end of the promise (so far.) Xerath, at his core, is the same.

1.) Freedom vs. Power

The old Xerath craved power. The new Xerath craved freedom. Are they different? Yes, they are, but here is the thing: He still craved. He still craved, and he went through great lengths to achieve them. It was his goal. His ultimate end-game. If anything, we can say his aspiration and purpose.

2.) Intellect

Xerath is still highly intelligent. Just because it was not said immediately that he studied 24/7, the fact remained that he is very educated. The old Xerath studied alone in isolation, trying to gain as much knowledge as he possibly can. New Xerath had schooling. He very well may have went through the great library in Shurima (which I'm sure they have) and studied. And for those that say old Xerath is smarter: do you truly think that an uneducated man could have achieved such a feat? New Xerath pulled strengths. Made bribes. Knew who to execute. He had a very detailed plan. And for most, Ascension is a ritual based on magic and mystery. Xerath learned more about Ascension than possibly any other singular individual in Shurima. If not, then how would he know HOW to tamper with the ritual to cause such a disaster? The man is no fool.

3.) Personal Lost

Now, I know. I know. Xerath lost his wife, Tabia. And yes, it is tragic. It's something that a lot of people feel sympathy for. The lost of his wife had struck a chord in the man. However, the lost of somebody dearly important to him is a detail that was altered. Xerath had still lost a family member. That family being Azir. Yes, I know, they aren't blood brothers, but Azir is still family. At the end of Unbound, it read:

Too late, friend. Too late, brother. Far too late for us all.

Azir trusted Xerath fully and completely. It would not be hard to believe that Azir considered Xerath family. Both New and Old Xerath did not realize what they have forsaken, what they have truly lost which was prescious to them until it was too late. They lost their family. for Old Xerath, it was Tabia. For New, it was Azir.

4.) Aftermath

Well, yeah. New Xerath went a bit further in casualties than Old Xerath, but details details. The thing is, they both brought ruin to their homes. Old Xerath was his village/town. New Xerath: Shurima. Old Xerath was subdued by the likes of multiple guards/warriors/mages/etc. and locked away for centuries. New Xerath was subdued and locked away by Nasus and Renekton.

Details. Details. Details.

When bringing all of this into mind, sure! There are some things that are different, but there are things that are still the same. Xerath in both is still a man who had a singular goal they dedicated their lives to. Xerath was a highly educated man who went through exorbitant means to reach his goal. Xerath is still a man blinded by this goal and his desire to reach just that. Xerath is still a man who, in the end, brought destruction and ruin to his home. In the end, Xerath is still a man who has lost everything.

**Note

For those who may think "well, old Xerath regretted his decision" and things of that nature, so did the new one! During all of Unbound, his opinion of Azir was garbage, but when Azir finally gave the man his freedom, he...was awe-struck. Xerath noted that it was too late. This did not mean "Oh, too late now. You should have given it too me sooner." What was meant is "No! What have I done. It's...it's too late now. There's nothing I can do to stop this." He felt regret.

For those who are confused about how in-game Xerath is nothing like lore Xerath: they are very similar. Here's how: remember Renekton? Both Renekton and Xerath was locked away in a tomb for thousands of years. Now, here we go. I am sure many (not all) would say "Xerath drove him insane cause Xerath is EVIL! Hey, he is evil. Stop laughing!" Well, here's the thing, both Xerath and Renekton were in isolation. Isolation could be seen as a form of torture where it's just you, alone, with no stimuli. It's just isolation. Loneliness. You stuck with your thoughts. And while Rene has Xerath, and Xerath had Rene, it was still OVER A THOUSAND YEARS! Renekton became a blood thirsty monster who wishes destruction on his brother. If isolation caused that, do you honestly believe it hasn't affected Xerath as well?

Xerath speaks of how he cannot be chained and subdued. Well, Xerath was a slave pre-ascension. I doubt he wants to go back to that, right?

Xerath speaks of how he is all powerful. The man is now arcane energy after ascension and has gone crazy. Of course he would say this. Remember, Renekton became blood thirsty. Xerath became a megalomaniac who sees himself as a god. The man's mind is warped. It doesn't matter if he starts getting memories like Sion does during war and battle. Xerath's mind has been disturbed and he's gone crazy. I mean, same thing also happened to Veigar. Little guy was given no cuddles. We all see how he ended up.

For those who say "Oh, well if he felt bad, why didn't he apologize."

...You don't honestly believe a man who JUST DESTROYED AN ENTIRE EMPIRE would...okay, hold on. You are the cause of a mass genocide, and now 2 ascended heros are coming to stop the perpetrator. What do you do?

a.) Stay where you are, apologize, and let them beat you to death b.) Run away before they come to get you c.) Hold your ground and fight them off.

I don't think many of you would go with a. No matter what ,Xerath is guilty, and the people after him are angry. Then they're going to lock him away? Oh, he isn't going to be put through that. Doesn't matter if he feels bad or not. Now it's personal survival. I'd point out the current events with police brutality and how trying to be peaceful could still get a bullet in you, but I don't think I need to bring more of that in.


All in all, I believe that Old Xerath and New Xerath are still one and the same. At the core ,they are the same individual. Sure, the details are changed, but that's setting. When stories are changed, the details are bound to be different and origins are bound to come out different from before. At the very least, we can be thankful he's not a Blue Jafar, right? RIGHT!?!?!

If there's something I missed, or you like to bring your own point in about anything I said, by all means, do so.

36 Comments

IMTOOJUICY10 votes

The Xeraths are similar in some characteristics, but they differ so much from each other in terms of motivation, I would not call them the same character.

The jealousy and bitterness within New Xerath are very much palpable throughout the new lore. He hates Azir and the elite, he hates the finery they live within, he hates the chains of tradition, etc etc. This hatred is what fuels his quest for power, imo. I honestly think that even if Azir freed Xerath soon after meeting him, Xerath would have still overthrown Azir later on.

Old Xerath, otoh, was practically above human emotion, IIRC. His original lore purposely included Tabitha to portray his serious disconnect from his emotions and feelings. He seemed to view the arcane as a new frontier to explore, not as a new weapon to smite down his fellow man with. Thirst for knowledge, not hatred, was what fueled old Xerath's quest for power.

I dunno, they are both powerful intelligent mages who share a thirst for power, but their primary motivations differ so much. The new lore maintains a good deal of old Xerath's core characteristics, but motivation is such a big part of a character, I can't really equate the two Xeraths.

Valaran Nara1 votes

True, they do have differing motivations. I can't deny that. The best way I can comment on how you feel is, maybe, differing situations.

People tend to change depending on their environment. What you could ask yourself is this: "What would Old Xerath do if he was born a slave and became Azir's right hand after saving his life?"

It may lead to something fairly similar, or you may believe it leads to something completely different. Who knows? My knowledge of Old Xerath is based off of everyone's complaints about New vs. Old. If I could get more proper info from article sources everyone seems to be referencing, then I may just edit my main post accordingly.

Earl Eulrich2 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Xerath/Background

scroll down and you find his old lore and judgement

Shokah2 votes

My knowledge of Old Xerath is based off of everyone's complaints about New vs. Old. If I could get more proper info from article sources everyone seems to be referencing, then I may just edit my main post accordingly.

sigh

That's disappointing to read. That's fairly important info to have when having a discussion.

Valaran Nara2 votes

My knowledge of Old Xerath is based off of everyone's complaints about New vs. Old. If I could get more proper info from article sources everyone seems to be referencing, then I may just edit my main post accordingly.

sigh

That's disappointing to read. That's fairly important info to have when having a discussion.

Why yes, it is. And after I got the link, I read up on the 2 pieces of Old Xerath Lore we had. His background and his Judgement.

Which, ironically, is not reflected that much in MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS people make. What's also funny is that some of the complaints people make about Xerath seem to be pulled out more from Unbound to make a valid point of "Old" being better than new while re-using most of the same opinions of old. I only saw new opinions and mentions of things about Old Xerath AFTER I made this thread.

BTW, I underestimated Old Xerath's lust for arcane knowledge and power. He needed to go outside more.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

point of "Old" being better than new while

This is absolutely not about anything being better or worse, you donßt even understand the debate apparently.

Valaran Nara4 votes

point of "Old" being better than new while

This is absolutely not about anything being better or worse, you donßt even understand the debate apparently.

The point of the debate is that Riot promised to keep the core of the champions intact. Their identity, concept, what made that champion who they are; however, when they made unbound, it appeared that the New Xerath may not be the same as the old.

Instead of him being a magus who sought knowledge, he is a slave that sought freedom.

This amongst other differences brought people to cry out saying that the New Xerath is not the same person as the old. Riot promised not to change the champion, but people felt they did to Xerath the same thing they did to Trundle. It's not necessarily about who is better or who is worse. Many people can agree that Unbound is well written. Yes, it was thought out and all of that, but it's a matter of whether or not we can agree that Xerath is the same individual and not just some random character with the same name.

^Am I wrong?

Earl Eulrich2 votes

ok, so you do understand it after all. Doesnßt really explain why you wrote the paragraph above though...it might be a thing of just different perceptions, i would really disagree on

Which, ironically, is not reflected that much in MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS people make.

most complains i saw even before this thread had been all about Xerath not being his old self, most people accpeted that the new lore is well written in itself...it´s just not Xerath that is spotlighted in it.

Valaran Nara1 votes

Well, what Jaredan said was that Unbound is a spotlight of a very important MOMENT in his life. This means that Unbound isn't the life story. It isnt the end all be all of who Xerath is. I mean, Jaredan said it was "implied" that Xerath was a "self made" individual who went beyond the natural boundaries of his post. Which means, the man went through a crazy lot of trouble to become educated and garner as much knowledge as possible which is similar to how Old Xerath is. Unfortunately, though, that is "implied". When something is suppose to be implied, it can easily be overlooked or inferred differently. Hold on, let me get you the quote on that:

Xerath's rise was self-made, not just through his involvement with Azir as a child—and how that elevated him from his low position—but also from his own aptitude and ability to gain knowledge that was lost to virtually everyone else. An understanding he sought while under the true and perceived boundaries of his station within Shurima.

Xerath's drive to gain magical power and knowledge are implied within the piece, but Unbound is focused on the moment that irrevocably changed Xerath, Azir and Shurima, as well as where the magus was in his mind at that time."

Yep. So, it could be the same Xerath, it's just that what helps everyone see New Xerath as old Xerath is more of an implied detail that we don't think of immediately due to how it is written.

And, um...my apologies if I don't seem to actually be responding right or seem a bit off in answering things. I have an odd thought process when writing, maybe? Pretty sure I need to edit first post, so it could sound more neutral (in tone)

BTW, it's probably just from me reading comics all the time, but I see the same Xerath, just what one could say is from another universe or dimension. In comics, writers like doing a "What if" with different universes and parallel timelines. In fact, there's a DC comic known as "Red Son." It asked the question, "What if Superman landed in Russia?" Now, obviously, there are differences, right? He's not American. Some of his beliefs or perspective are a tad diffferent, and his actions aren't 1-to-1 what original Superman (depending on which of the 1 from the 100s of universe you're referring to) does, but at his core, Superman is still Superman. Didn't matter if he was born in the US or if he was born in Russia. Superman will still try to be a hero.

I see the same guy, but he's just going through a different change of events.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

I see the same guy, but he's just going through a different change of events.

So well...I think this gets meta-physical now, but if we acceppt the fact that we are (simplified) the sum of our experiences and emotions - then i would be a different person if i had another upbringing, even if i had the exact same body and abilities.

But differences for both Xeraths are just vast, at least for me. I think the old Xerath had been above a low instinct like revenge in his motives. He seeked knowledge, not dominance or mere power....he even looked down on the other mages for using their magic to form weapons. It´s not really about being selfmade or wanting to be unchained...it´s his obsession to rip the universe of its secrets that made him the man he had been.

Edit: Just to grab your Superman-Example

If Superman would have brought up in a socilaist environment he could easily have adapted a utilitarian Viewpoint/Moral. So it would have been totally fine for him to just assassinate Lex Luther, as he would do more good than bad by doing so. Now, I think the Amercian Superman would have had condamned such an action, as he has an absolute moral with respect for every individual life. And if one person condamns the actions of another not with regrets, but because he thinks it´s utterly wrong and he could never have taken actions this way - then they are in fact not the same person.

I think the old Xerath would have done his ascendence alone in any case...it´s his special moment, his success over the universe. He didn´t want for anyone else to be involved.

Shokah2 votes

Well, what Jaredan said was that Unbound is a spotlight of a very important MOMENT in his life. This means that Unbound isn't the life story. It isnt the end all be all of who Xerath is. I mean, Jaredan said it was "implied" that Xerath was a "self made" individual who went beyond the natural boundaries of his post. Which means, the man went through a crazy lot of trouble to become educated and garner as much knowledge as possible which is similar to how Old Xerath is. Unfortunately, though, that is "implied". When something is suppose to be implied, it can easily be overlooked or inferred differently. Hold on, let me get you the quote on that:

Xerath's rise was self-made, not just through his involvement with Azir as a child—and how that elevated him from his low position—but also from his own aptitude and ability to gain knowledge that was lost to virtually everyone else. An understanding he sought while under the true and perceived boundaries of his station within Shurima.

Xerath's drive to gain magical power and knowledge are implied within the piece, but Unbound is focused on the moment that irrevocably changed Xerath, Azir and Shurima, as well as where the magus was in his mind at that time."

Yep. So, it could be the same Xerath, it's just that what helps everyone see New Xerath as old Xerath is more of an implied detail that we don't think of immediately due to how it is written.

Let me explain why Jaredan is wrong - From Unbound :

And so, Xerath was elevated and educated, eventually becoming Azir’s trusted right hand—

He has the backing of Prince "elevated", he's taught "educated", he's powerful "trusted right hand." Just just having the favor of the Prince means he is able to gain advantages over other people. How exactly IS that self-made?

Implied where? Implied how?

Sure he's able to scheme, plot and buy time to subvert the ritual, but how much of that is because he's Azir's "BRO" (to use a more loose term)?


I think Narrative has an issue with their presentation of information in all of the Shurmia event - precisely because they "know" more than the reader does. That's a writing problem. You can't assume the reader knows anything beyond what you have written. We shouldn't have to know anything to enjoy the story. This isn't Xerath of old - this is Neo-Xerath. He's new so everything we learn about him should be explained.

Shokah2 votes

Riot promised not to change the champion, but people felt they did to Xerath the same thing they did to Trundle. It's not necessarily about who is better or who is worse. Many people can agree that Unbound is well written. Yes, it was thought out and all of that, but it's a matter of whether or not we can agree that Xerath is the same individual and not just some random character with the same name.

^Am I wrong?

Correct. He's not the same person at all. I said this in other thread, but you could substitute Veigar for Xerath and have the yordles be slaves and the 'new' story still makes sense.

To me, THAT is an issue itself. There were similiar complaints about Cass's role too - we haven't seen her expanded lore yet, so I'm not going to get into depth but it could have been ANY Noxus woman really - for what we saw happen thus far.

Earl Eulrich9 votes

One is driven by his desire for knowledge and power - the other is driven by desire for revenge (on a broken promise).

I´m afraid they´re complete different people.

Valaran Nara2 votes

One is driven by his desire for knowledge and power - the other is driven by desire for revenge (on a broken promise).

I´m afraid they´re complete different people.

Those are details, my friend. Details. Freedom vs. Power. What they want and pursue. I mentioned it before.

And when it comes to revenge and disliking all of Shurima, remember that Old Xerath wasn't much for social interactions himself.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

What drives a man is all but details, it heavily influences his decissions. And Decission after all is what shapes a Character.

DrCyanide5 votes

Those are details, my friend. Details. Freedom vs. Power. What they want and pursue. I mentioned it before.

And when it comes to revenge and disliking all of Shurima, remember that Old Xerath wasn't much for social interactions himself.

Xerath being a being of energy is also a detail, but that's preserved. Where do you draw the line on what's a detail and what's core?

When you listen to Xerath in game, he doesn't sound evil per say, he just sounds like he thinks everyone else is weak and naive. I think that decision was based on the old lore. The new lore doesn't fit the audio nearly as well.


Lets look at what's in Xerath's lore:

A life spent in servitude, first for a mad emperor and now a vain one, endless manipulations for and against the throne, a near-damning quest for barely remembered knowledge that almost consumed him—all of it led to this grotesque masquerade of Ascension. [...] Xerath was elevated and educated, eventually becoming Azir’s trusted right hand—but never a free man. The soured promise ate into what he was, and what he could have been. Denied a small, simple thing, the right to live his life, Xerath decided to take everything, all of the things denied to him, all of the things he deserved: the empire, Ascension, and the absolute purest form of freedom possible. [...] Xerath had planned for every contingency. He had bribed, killed, out-maneuvered, and plotted for decades

Xerath paints himself as being warped into an evil person. He has manipulated and killed people in order to achieve this goal. His quest for knowledge seems more out of a desire to destroy the Ascension rather than to understand it. Furthermore, there is no mention of Xerath learning magic in his own lore. To get any hint of that we have to look at Azir's lore:

A newcomer formed in the sand. His trusted bondsman, his magus, Xerath.

His friend uttered a silent word. Azir watched himself shatter like glass, exploding into motes of sand. [...] The sand image of Xerath rose higher into the air as the Sun Disk's energies focused into his being. A cadre of elite guards rushed toward him, but they were all far too late.

With how established Xerath is as a manipulator, one can come to the conclusion that this Xerath isn't even a mage. It's entirely possible for him to have hired another magus to cast the spell or teach Xerath the basics, and merely cheated or faked his way into getting Azir to think of him as a mage. Honestly, Xerath as a magus is called into question by Xerath's own lore.

There's no question in my mind. As it stands, there are two different Xerath's, the one in game and the one in lore. That's the core issue here.

Arcus Diabolus6 votes

No, Xerath's judgment showed that he was after power and knowledge and while reckless, he was still overall moral. He was only imprisoned because of the mages' fear of how strong he would become.

He even had a lover, who he lost in a tragic accident during his ritual to become what he is today.

Now he is more of a asshole who couldn't see that Azir saw him has a friend and brother in arms and sought to kill him and everything he loves. He didn't realize the truth until it was too late.

I'm generalizing here, but my point is true nonetheless. Xerath is NOT the same.

Shokah5 votes

I want to become the best doctor in my field so that I can advance medicine in ways that haven't been studied by others. I miscalculate and some peopled died but I succeed.

VS

I want to be become the best doctor in my field so I can use that knowledge to kill someone I have felt wronged me. My plan to kill that one guy has to include all of North America and it succeeds but that dude apologized before my plan offed him and everyone else... My bad.

Would you not say those are very different men?

ThreshHugsPoros4 votes

Thing is, what is Xerath NOW? We know he corrupted the ascension ritual, but what does that exactly mean?

Why are Renekton's/Azir's/Nasus' ascensions so different compared to him? All three of them are still humanoids, with an animal theme, while for Xerath he's basically formless energy molded by the pieces of the sarcophagus that remain on him. They also have a certain sand theme in their abilities, while Xerath is simply arcane magic. That made sense in the old lore as ascension had a completely different definition, and Xerath was the only one to achieve it. Now though, you would never guess that the source of their powers come from the same ritual.

The only clue Riot has given us is that Xerath's ascension was corrupted and turned him into this being of energy. But was this what Xerath intended? Did he know that said corruption would turn him into this? If he did, what was his goal after he ascended? If Nasus and Renekton hadn't succeeded in imprisoning him, what did he intend to use his newly-found power for?

Thankfully these are all things Riot can clarify, and I hope they do eventually.

Valaran Nara2 votes

Thing is, what is Xerath NOW? We know he corrupted the ascension ritual, but what does that exactly mean?

Why are Renekton's/Azir's/Nasus' ascensions so different compared to him? All three of them are still humanoids, with an animal theme, while for Xerath he's basically formless energy molded by the pieces of the sarcophagus that remain on him. They also have a certain sand theme in their abilities, while Xerath is simply arcane magic. That made sense in the old lore as ascension had a completely different definition, and Xerath was the only one to achieve it. Now though, you would never guess that the source of their powers come from the same ritual.

The only clue Riot has given us is that Xerath's ascension was corrupted and turned him into this being of energy. But was this what Xerath intended? Did he know that said corruption would turn him into this? If he did, what was his goal after he ascended? If Nasus and Renekton hadn't succeeded in imprisoning him, what did he intend to use his newly-found power for?

Thankfully these are all things Riot can clarify, and I hope they do eventually.

In Unbound, it was mentioned that Azir had a hawk helmet on before the ritual began.

It is possible that the animal you become depends on a specially enchanted armor you are wearing at the time of Ascension. Azir was wearing a hawk helmet and armor. Maybe Renekton had gator helm, and Nasus had a dog mask.

What happened to Xerath? He didn't have any special armor to mold or give form to his ascended being, so he's energy.

kitcat3002 votes

Riot said that his form is due to not going through the proper "rites" of the ritual. The ritual was never for him, he interrupted anothers, which had sever consequences: An inhuman form and the destruction of all around him.

Valaran Nara1 votes

Riot said that his form is due to not going through the proper "rites" of the ritual. The ritual was never for him, he interrupted anothers, which had sever consequences: An inhuman form and the destruction of all around him.

^^At least he will never have to worry about needing to poop ever again! :D

Sneak Dog3 votes

His theme is changed drastically from magic to freedom (that's what I'd call part of his theme at least), but his core seems the same (with a hint more evil).

Stars Shaper3 votes

What we need to know to make a judgement out of it is:

  • What happened when Nasus and Renekton imprisoned him.
  • What is this "Revolution" Xerath wants to pursue.
  • What happened inside the tomb.
kitcat3001 votes

Some of that can be explained when Nasus and Renekton receive their updated stories.

Nveriyoth3 votes

Eh, it's still a cool direction that I didn't really expect Riot to take, what with the removal of the IoW and such. I don't really care if it's a new and different flavor so long as the new flavor tastes good, and so far it's beginning to taste a little better than it did when they announced all the retcons.

Jib Jig3 votes

Before he was a tragic hero almost. He gave up everything he knew, everything he loved but then it was far too late to change his mind and he accepted that.

Now he's just kind of a dick.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

Its weird...

The old Xerath lost his "freedom" (and everything else) in order to have power.

The new Xerath lost his "power" in order to have freedom.

Valaran Nara1 votes

Its weird...

The old Xerath lost his "freedom" (and everything else) in order to have power.

The new Xerath lost his "power" in order to have freedom.

...I like you. You deserve a medalitem 3096

PerchancetoGame2 votes

Awesome post - was planning to say pretty much the same thing with a mega-post of my own but now I don't have to :). What I would add is something I posted in another thread responding to everyone who feels that Xerath has a less compelling motivation (freedom) in his new lore than he did in his old one (pursuit of knowledge) and that the new story make him just "a bitter jerk." Is he bitter? You bet - but personally I think he had damn good reason to be, even if his actions had a horrible fallout.

He's a slave- it means he doesn't even belong to himself, whatever else he has. Consider that for a moment. No amount of comfort, friendship, elevation or education will change the fact that he is someone's property. I doubt that any of us would be happy with the knowledge that people would view our lives as inherently worth less than that of others, and whatever value we did have was ascribed to us by someone else.

From both stories, we can see that in Xerath 's case, Azir valued him a great deal - which is great. However, there's a difference between being someone's trusted friend and confidant and being a trusted friend and confidant that they own. After a while, Xerath would begin to see Azir as either powerless to change what was a deeply engrained institution or viewing Xerath like any other slave, albeit one who he cared about a great deal - someone who's place was and always would be, at his master's beck and call. From what we can see of Xerath's character, he clearly moved towards the second conclusion - that Azir was more unwilling than unable to free him. Realizing that someone you considered your brother for most of your life doesn't believe you're worth the effort to help become your own person would likely feel like an immense betrayal.

Sure, he's the emperor's best bud which counts for a lot but that is essentially all he has. Whatever status he has comes from being the emperor's slave - as far as society is concerned he will never be a real person or the equal of a free man in his own right. Clearly, this argument can be flipped around to say that he only had all the advantages he did because he belonged to - education, comfort, etc - which he more than likely wouldn't have had if he had been a free, but presumably common, man.

That brings us to the second point though. We can see from his story that he had begun to question the stratified nature of his society - an elite few at the top given all the opportunities while the rest of the population is stuck on square one until they die. He was in a unique position, being raised among the nobles but certainly not one of them, and able to see both ends of the spectrum. This perspective on the system would (and did) lead him to wonder why the system was the way it was, which would in turn lead him to seek not just his own freedom, but to topple the entire social order and put himself in a position to rebuild it how he believed it should be.

Yes, what he did was morally wrong - causing massive collateral damage and killing likely thousands of people. That's a given. However, my point is he had fairly good reason for being extremely bitter, and that is bound to eat away at a person in general, let alone their moral framework.

dialMARK4acti0n2 votes

I think Old Xerath is the New Xerath AFTER he spent millenia on the tomb. They just changed the reason for his Ascending and gave him a more believable backstory imho.

kitcat3001 votes

That's what I like to think. He just didn't develops that madness until he was imprisoned for 1000 years. If you pay attention to his quotes during the ascension game mode, he still alludes to the power hungry mage personality.

"I will never concede the power I have taken!" "You stand in the presence of a perfect being." "Ascension is not granted, it is taken!" "I am power incarnate! Who dares oppose me?"

Trading Aces1 votes

bump worthy

Stars Shaper1 votes

They could have been if the "transiction" between one and the other would have focused on the fact that the resurrection of Azir would have made Xerath rethink of: "Time has brought ruin to the mages of Shurima and only I remain".

The fact that one of the makers of his fate has returned and wills to restore Shurima could have made the Magus Ascendant really angry. He didn't need a reset.

Valaran Nara2 votes

They could have been if the "transiction" between one and the other would have focused on the fact that the resurrection of Azir would have made Xerath rethink of: "Time has brought ruin to the mages of Shurima and only I remain".

The fact that one of the makers of his fate has returned and wills to restore Shurima could have made the Magus Ascendant really angry. He didn't need a reset.

Oh, that is true, but then that'd leave Nasus and Renekton in an awkward position since they DID need a reset to be born of Runeterra, but, ignoring them, yes. Yes, that could have most likely worked and DEFINITELY avoided a lot of hurt feelings from a lot of people.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

Oh look, another Xerath complaint. I see a lot of people, in many other franchises, who work their logic enough. "How did that happen? That doesn't make sense." Granted, relying on outside media to inform a viewer of critical information is a sin, but there's a difference between that and spoon-feeding the viewer.

Xerath was regretful for having Azir's death arranged since Azir freed him in the last moment, but the body-vaporizing explosion, intense pain, reassembly as an energy being, sudden understanding of the universe, and torrent of emotion that followed, made even worse by the arrival of two monster-like beings he feared in life, who then fought and imprisoned him in a room for 1000 years, probably snapped Xerath.

He's laughing mad.

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