Draven and Gnar have gotten 2 skins within short periods, less then a year I think.

Arakadia·May 18, 2016·8 votes·1,407 views

Gnar is years younger then Swain, and just got showdown gnar. He is scheduled for another skin on PBE. Swain is much older and hasn't got another skin for 4 years. Now we know Swain isn't getting a VGU this year, and that will make it a 5th year if he doesn't get a skin. Riot can't use the excuse that he is gona get a rework, because he isn't. I think it is unfair, and Riot should more evenly distribute skins. For example Kalista always seems to be on the wheel, like every 3-4 times but I never see Swain on it.

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SharjoMay 18, 20166 votes

Draven and Gnar have gotten 2 skins within short periods, less then a year I think.

And? Good concepts get made in to cool skins. That's not to say Swain doesn't have cool concepts, but he has problems in that his model sucks balls, as does his rigging and skeleton, he was worked on as part of the mage rework so that hindered things a bit and he's in line for a reword next year at the earliest, so a new skin isn't in the cards really.

I get that people want skins for their beloved champions, but at the same time we get new skins every two weeks. Your champ is bound to get a new one eventually. There's literally no point in whining about which champions don't get skins because there's no argument. Every champion should get skins, even the ones who haven't been out for a while.

ArakadiaMay 18, 20162 votes

If Swain gets a rework next year, he will not have gotten a skin for 5 years. Meanwhile Gnar, a new champion, already has as many skins as him and has gotten two within 6 months.

GreenLoreMay 18, 20161 votes

Thats the thing though. Champs who are planned to get reworks,won't get new skins,even if said rework is still rather far away. Swain is simply in the same boat as Yorick,who never got a new skin.

Also what do you expect them to do?Should they stop making skins until swain got his rework?Rework and skin team work seperately,they won't stop making skins just because one champ can't get them at the moment.

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

I dont expect them to not make new skins, just evenly spread them. Singed needed a skin, they delivered. Gnar and Draven did not need a skin. Draven has 3 skins within 12 months and Swain hasn't got a skin for 4 years. Swain is not in the same boat as Yorick. He has counterplay and while maybe isn't the healthiest of champions, he is still viable and all that. I think it is bs that a 6300 champion that is quite new, already will have more skins then him. Swain is 6 years old I think. I doubt after 2 years of exisiting, they decided to rework him. He's viable, so its not like Yorick level. And a history of unbalance shouldn't matter because champions like Kindred have just gotten skins. I think the main reason is that he has a very low play rate, and the skin will not be bought by many people.

GreenLoreMay 19, 20161 votes

While it is unlikely that they instantly knew they want to rework him(like with yorick),we don't know when they exactly got to it and it doesn't really matter,because it doesn't change the way it is right now.

Sure I agree that Gnar and Draven got quite much compared to the others,but in the end these 2 still have rather few amount of skins compared to many other champs,so even if I'd like it more if they spread it a bit more evenly,it isn't that problematic in my opinion.

Jeddy017May 18, 20162 votes

Don't forget Gentleman Gnar, which only came out a few months before Snowdown Gnar. Meaning Gnar had 3 in less than a year.

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

Yup!

WordofmaskMay 18, 20163 votes

So how could you explain why they keep reworking Ryze again and again.

Profits play a bigger part of this. That's that

Swain has a small number of fans that is why they decide not to give him any skins and choose to rework Ryze again and again.

GreenLoreMay 18, 20165 votes

It's because Ryzes rework simply failed to achieve its goal.

Ryze is supposed to be a beginner friendly champ,but his kit is rather difficult to play,since you have a very small window of power.

Originally they intended to give Ryze a rework with a VU,but since his gameplay update got finished rather quickly they simply iceboxed the VU. Which means that they actually left out a part of ryzes rework so that they can focus their efforts on other stuff. But now that his rework is considered to be a failure,they decided to pick up where they left the last time.

WordofmaskMay 18, 20161 votes

What if they fail again?

if this new reworked Ryze wouldn't live up to their expectation so they would continue reworking him till the end of time and put aside other champs who really in need of reworking?

GreenLoreMay 18, 20161 votes

Then they'll likely keep him like that anyway(at least for quite some time). I mean riot has shown that they are fine with keeping champs in a bad state for years if they prove difficult to rework Urgot

I mean keep in mind that nowadays they either bundle gameplay updates with visual updates,or group updates.

So its pretty likely that the only reason why they give Ryze a second shot at all is because they can still bundle this gameplay update with his VU(also they likely have some stuff from the first rework attempt left).

And even if that doesn't work he wouldn't be in need of a second VU,which would mean that his next chance would be if they made a group update specifically for battle-mages(or a second mage update in general) or if they got to the point where they'd consider pure gameplay updates again(in both cases it would likely take a few years until he gets his chance)

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

Swain has a small number of fans that is why they decide not to give him any skins and choose to rework Ryze again and again.

Perfectly said.

Jeddy017May 18, 20162 votes

Though you have to admit, 3 skins for one champ (or in this case, 2) in less than a year is a bit much.

Moonboy65May 18, 20163 votes

it's not about how many skins a champion has...

when Riot makes new skins, they look at the champion and think about whether or not that specific champion makes a good concept for said skin

Rand0mH3r0XMay 18, 20163 votes

Excuse me, Gnar is years OLDER than swain. He was frozen and thawed. Ehuh. Thank you, I'm out!

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

Bah! Your right. My bad....

MavenSongMay 18, 20162 votes

Draven has had 3 actually in the past year. Pool Party, Beast Hunter, And Draven Draven

Jeddy017May 18, 20161 votes

Same for Gnar, his Gentleman skin came out Fall of last year.

SukishooMay 18, 20161 votes

Gnar's is a 750 and his last one was over 5 months ago. Swain just had a gameplay update so that's one reason they held off on skins, another is, he is clearly in need of a VU cause that model is so old however Mundo is getting one (and he got one last year as well), so pretty sure they are just rounding out champs slowly. He will get it eventually.

Draven's last one can't even be called a real skin since it's just an enlarged head.

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

Swains VU was very small. Gnar's 750 skin has 2 models and both Q's are changed. Swain's model sucks yeah, but Tyrant swain looks sick. A good skin can still be made. Draven's skin was still something that required resources and took the space of another skin.

NeameanMay 19, 20161 votes

Just because a skin was made doesn't mean that it take the place of another skin. Riot have stated many time before there are always a skin in development just because something was release doesn't mean another skin is not gonna happen.

For example the valentine day skin earlier this year when it was release people were upset that Sona got another skin when champ like kennen haven't gotten a skin in 4 year, well guess what happen the next patch bloodmoon kennen. Just because something there is never really a case of a skin take up the place of another skin.

Another thing is that Riot have release schedules. Bring up the Valentine day skin again people were upset that Kennen didn't get a skin but complaining on that Valentine patch about isn't going to help because it the Valentine day patch Riot will release a heat theme skin now unless you wanted a heart theme skin for kennen he would never get a skin on that patch.

Now with the recent skin they are release as a group unless you was expecting El Pollo Swain he wouldn't get a skin this patch. Now I'm not saying it is impossible for Riot to release something else along side the El skin because we seen them done stuff like that before where there is a batch a theme skin coming out with another separate skin but that could also come down to there schedule and whether or not it finish or not.

Wind WhistlerMay 18, 20161 votes

Can we all just shut up about Swain having "no concepts"? Riot has said Dragon Master Swain is being worked on, unless they're just lazy and stupid, like what happened with Ao Shin/Aurelion Sol. I just hope they don't suddenly act like they NEED to release the skin by a certain date, and end up rushing it at the end. That's what they did with poor Ao Shin.

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

There are so many concepts. Dragon Master, Prehistoric, Snowdown, etc.

ArakadiaMay 18, 20161 votes

Dam, this post is a hot subject. It's getting a lot of down votes and upvotes. I hope it attracts a rioter.

NeameanMay 19, 20162 votes

In my opinion the reason that it keep going up and down is because people agree with the fact that Swain need a skin but disagree with how you compare it to how x champ keep getting skins. At least that how I feel about it yes Swain need a skin,but X champ keep getting a skin is hindering Swain is some lame arguement.

DemonicousMay 19, 20162 votes

Down and up votes mean crap on these boards and you know it. It could simply also be Swain fangirls, and trolls doing the voting.

I posted a thread regarding why Riot needs to be more strict with enforcing punishments against bad players. It had a video of a super toxic guy's stream, and another video how a year later he was being investigated by a news station for threatening and stalking women on FaceBook to a criminal degree.

His court date has been postponed twice to later this year. I got downvoted like crazy. And yet all I was stating that I am quite sure that MOST of us do not want the public to compare the entire LoL player base to that creep.

What can you do? Doesn't matter how good the overall argument is people will pick it apart.

[zombie-brand-clap]

Sonicblaster33May 19, 20161 votes

Dragon Master Swain is in concept. From what I heard is that they have been trying to make that skin work for him for some time, but other things get in the way. It is currently on hold.