So I had a question about the crownguards. First question is, why were Garen and Lux wanting to turn Fiora into a crownguard, pretty sure they were aware of that whole marriage fiasco that was happening. Why did they want her to join their house from a political perspective? I mean what benefit would they get from her seeing her own house's reputation was horrible. I assume there was a reason why the crownguards wanted Fiora married into their house? Why the desperation?
Zerdun2 votesFiora's house would benefit from obtaining a strong backer (the crownguards) while the crownguards would gain an incredible fighter to add to their ranks.
Nothing like harvesting talent from a house that's in shambles to further the strength of your own holdings
Both sides would get something important that the other had (talent vs strong backing/method of bolstering the damaged rep of the house)
JhonTeemon3 votesFiora's house would benefit from obtaining a strong backer (the crownguards) while the crownguards would gain an incredible fighter to add to their ranks.
Nothing like harvesting talent from a house that's in shambles to further the strength of your own holdings
Both sides would get something important that the other had (talent vs strong backing/method of bolstering the damaged rep of the house)
why would the crownguards need a fencing duelist? It never mentions anywhere that the crownguards take part in fencing 1v1 duels but even if they did, it's not like Fiora would be dueling right because the dude she married won't let her?
Placentas1 votesNo, I actually think a duelist in that society would be very helpful to have in the family. It seems like a lot of House conflicts were solved with duels in Demacia and Fiora is the best duelist (who isn't Jax).
It's also a sign of power and showing signs of power as a House is very important.
Zerdun1 votes{quoted} It's also a sign of power and showing signs of power as a House is very important.
This was my train of thought actually. The Demacian nobility would probably settle disputes with duels similar to how it happened in some real life locations where nobility used to exist. A duel or series of duels can be used to prevent the nobility from effectively going to war amongst themselves and thus injuring or crippling their military strength. (Demacia still is kinda at war with Noxus yes?)
By having the best duelist in your family you can squash opposition in duels when you decide to step on their toes
JhonTeemon2 votesNo, I actually think a duelist in that society would be very helpful to have in the family. It seems like a lot of House conflicts were solved with duels in Demacia and Fiora is the best duelist (who isn't Jax).
It's also a sign of power and showing signs of power as a House is very important.
the only thing I don't understand though is (and this is from my opinion) if demacia is a misogynist society, then the guy she married obviously wouldn't let her represent him/duel for the crownguards no matter if she is the best duelist in the entire city. Because if she dueled then she would be dueling for the guy as well so I see a conflict of interest here. If house crownguards want to use her as a duelist to fight their 1v1 fencing battles, wouldn't that kind of make the dude she married a useless pathetic guy? Since she would be dueling instead of him while he sits back and eats popcorn. OR will that guy also be dueling as well?
Zerdun1 votesFairly certain Demacia isn't a misogynist society though. 
are all demacians. I'm fairly certain these champions wouldn't be treated the way they are in their stories if it were that type of society though.
It's kinda hard to disrespect ladies who turn into dragons, wield a really big crossbow, shoot death lasers, or toss around a hammer where the end is nearly the size of your body. Just saying if females have equivalent methods of possessing the same strengths or more strength than males, these types of societies are a lot harder to enforce.
JhonTeemon1 votesFairly certain Demacia isn't a misogynist society though.
It's kinda hard to disrespect ladies who turn into dragons, wield a really big crossbow, shoot death lasers, or toss around a hammer where the end is nearly the size of your body. Just saying if females have equivalent methods of possessing the same strengths or more strength than males, these types of societies are a lot harder to enforce.
yea but those champions are not married.
Zerdun1 votesMarried or not, if a lady can shoot death lasers at an enemy i would have ZERO qualms about her defending my honor. LoL has no real 'marriages' of any champs outside of the rakan xayah duo afaik.
The idea of mysogyny is about the hating of women. In shyvs lore when she stumbled across a demacian town with j4 in tow she was welcomed and thanked. While also being given a chance to become a part of the town. In a society that is misogynistic i very much doubt that would be the the type of welcome she would have gotten
JhonTeemon1 votesMarried or not, if a lady can shoot death lasers at an enemy i would have ZERO qualms about her defending my honor. LoL has no real 'marriages' of any champs outside of the rakan xayah duo afaik.
The idea of mysogyny is about the hating of women. In shyvs lore when she stumbled across a demacian town with j4 in tow she was welcomed and thanked. While also being given a chance to become a part of the town. In a society that is misogynistic i very much doubt that would be the the type of welcome she would have gotten
that's your opinion, that's not the opinion of the crownguard guy. What if he doesn't want Fiora defending his honor. What if he is a good duelist himself? I mean, he is probably a really really good fighter if crownguard chose him to marry the best duelist in demacia?
Zerdun1 votesMy opinion is literally only the first sentence. Outside of that is all kinda common sense if you did any reading on the lore that you see on the univers page. I used shyvanna's lore as the example. Its pretty easy to inference how a society is generally structured when you add together a combination of viewpoints.
Im curious as to why you think marriage means that the a person will change what they are. Being married literally only means that two people are tied together and society now views two people as together. Marriage does not define a person and therefore does nothing to the other aspects of said person. The best duelist would still be the best one.
Duels were held for a variety of reasons amongst the nobility. Sometimes even business contracts would lead to duels because things like house x and house y want an exclusive business deal with the same business.
We also don't know how said duels would be handled. Would they be 1 on 1 competitions and single elimination or would there be say two teams and each team sends out 1 fighter at a time and the team with people standing at the end wins.
Let's be honest. In a world where magic exists and both genders can potentially harness said magic do you think it would be prudent to not say something along the lines of hey you lady you're going to marry this guy because you're a woman and you have no say in who you marry. Im certain that things in said magical land where there is zero actual power difference between genders (because magic) would be done differently than here
JhonTeemon1 votesMy opinion is literally only the first sentence. Outside of that is all kinda common sense if you did any reading on the lore that you see on the univers page. I used shyvanna's lore as the example. Its pretty easy to inference how a society is generally structured when you add together a combination of viewpoints.
Im curious as to why you think marriage means that the a person will change what they are. Being married literally only means that two people are tied together and society now views two people as together. Marriage does not define a person and therefore does nothing to the other aspects of said person. The best duelist would still be the best one.
Duels were held for a variety of reasons amongst the nobility. Sometimes even business contracts would lead to duels because things like house x and house y want an exclusive business deal with the same business.
We also don't know how said duels would be handled. Would they be 1 on 1 competitions and single elimination or would there be say two teams and each team sends out 1 fighter at a time and the team with people standing at the end wins.
Let's be honest. In a world where magic exists and both genders can potentially harness said magic do you think it would be prudent to not say something along the lines of hey you lady you're going to marry this guy because you're a woman and you have no say in who you marry. Im certain that things in said magical land where there is zero actual power difference between genders (because magic) would be done differently than here
does Fiora have to change her name to crownguard and fight duels for crownguard?
Epicurus2 votesThere is also the female General Miesar from Jarvan's short story. It is telling that women are able to advance to some of the highest positions in the Demacian military, even without having magic powers.
Digielf1 votesGaren is a man, just by seeing Fiora its normal to want to turn her to a Crownguard
Critmaster Garen1 votesim pretty sure garen and lux didnt have anything to do with that decision, if they even had a say in it.
but rather their parents who are at least in the stories still alive and seem to be making the decisions as patriarch/matriarch of house crownguard.
i havent read the reworked story of fiora, but did garen and lux actually push for that marriage or was it their parents?
