I think there may be more then 2 demons in game currently

marpatt11·Oct 31, 2017·3 votes·718 views

Considering how demons are created (read 's origin) there could likely be a lot more demons in game then we think. Fiddlesticks or Nocturne could've been born of fear and thus feed on it Shaco could feed on chaos, hence his name Morgana could feed on anger/rage (but this one is less likely) Jax could (maybe) feed on attrition (again, not likely but I'll put it here) Heck, for all we know, demons could come from the void, so could all be demons. Idk, maybe there are more, but these are all I could think of for possible demons, I think the first 3 are likely to be demons/are going to become demons when their VGU's come, but we will have to see.

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Meep ManNov 1, 20173 votes

TahmKench Evelynn Nocturne

These are our resident demons currently. The current rule for demons is they all crave something that can be provided by humans (food, anguish, fear)

Fiddlesticks is a scarecrow that haunts a field. Unlikely he is a demon as he he doesn't seem to feast on anything in particular and actually seems to hate it when people come into his field. Shaco is a mystery that's been retconned. He may be a demon, but unsure. Morgana and Kayle are the same species so you can't have one be a demon without the other. Jax is an Icathian.

GreenLoreNov 2, 20172 votes

Actually it was said that Nocturne might not be a demon,the demacians merely think he is one.

HalcyonDwellerOct 31, 20172 votes

Good call on Fiddlesticks, I hadn't thought about that one before. Nocturne definitely is a demon, he's borne from fear. And I would say it is safe to assume he was the darkness from Lux's recent lore update. Shaco may also be one, but we're lacking updated lore for him to help confirm this.

It's stretching things a bit to claim that Morgana, Jax, or the Void creatures are demons.

Tahm Kench though, definitely feeds on greed and envy.

marpatt11Oct 31, 20171 votes

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Good call on Fiddlesticks, I hadn't thought about that one before. Nocturne definitely is a demon, he's borne from fear. And I would say it is safe to assume he was the darkness from Lux's recent lore update. Shaco may also be one, but we're lacking updated lore for him to help confirm this.

It's stretching things a bit to claim that Morgana, Jax, or the Void creatures are demons.

Tahm Kench though, definitely feeds on greed and envy.

I mean, I said its possible they're demons, not likely at all, but possible since we don't know much about the void or jax, morgana, or kayle

HalcyonDwellerOct 31, 20171 votes

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I mean, I said its possible they're demons, not likely at all, but possible since we don't know much about the void or jax, morgana, or kayle

If so many differing things were all put under the same label/classification then the label would be meaningless.

The demon classification in Runeterra is reserved for beings that are born from or derive power from human emotion. Eve is based on lust and despair, Tahm Kench on greed/envy and despair, Nocturne on fear and despair... see the pattern? They all feed off of human despair.

Jax shows no tendencies toward manipulating or feeding on emotions, neither does Morgana. And the void creatures are all focused on consuming everything in the other world. They don't care about manipulating or feeding on human emotions, so they aren't Runterran Demons.

Edit: I mean no offense by this, I just feel strongly about correctly using labels and classifiers for character groups.

marpatt11Oct 31, 20171 votes

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If so many differing things were all put under the same label/classification then the label would be meaningless.

The demon classification in Runeterra is reserved for beings that are born from or derive power from human emotion. Eve is based on lust and despair, Tahm Kench on greed/envy and despair, Nocturne on fear and despair... see the pattern? They all feed off of human despair.

Jax shows no tendencies toward manipulating or feeding on emotions, neither does Morgana. And the void creatures are all focused on consuming everything in the other world. They don't care about manipulating or feeding on human emotions, so they aren't Runterran Demons.

Edit: I mean no offense by this, I just feel strongly about correctly using labels and classifiers for character groups.

Good point, I mean, since Noc, Fid, and Shaco are all planed to get a rework, they're probably going to become demons, heck one of shaco's, titles? is demon jester. I'd have to agree, it is very unlikely that jax, morg, or the voidborn are demons, but I needed more then just 3 for a post and was thinking about what they could be, it is likely that Morg is a fallen demigod and Kayle is a demigod, but personally, I just want more demons in runeterra.

HalcyonDwellerOct 31, 20172 votes

They shouldn't create something just for the sake of having more demons though. That pidgeon-holes design and can reduce the quality of the end result.

If they can create a new character that feeds off of human emotion and it is unique from the other characters, it will be a demon. if not then it won't.

I've always been against trying to do things just for the sake of having more of them, or for the sake of filling out a 'roster' like the zodiac signs. When used for overall character design It distracts from the goal of creating quality work.

There are two routes that could be taken when making more demons:

Skins
Actual new characters

Making more demon skins for characters could easily be done without ruining a character's integrity, rather than using precious design team time on a new character for such a project.

If we want Riot to create more demon characters though, we should try exploring what directions they could take the character in. A very core part of that would be what emotion it feeds from.

Rage would be a good one, it's a powerful emotion and certainly something demons could make humans 'fall' into.

Or maybe joy - for a unique take on the idea of feeding off human emotion. In that case you'd have some sort of creature that tries its damnedest to make people happy. Certainly a new and unique direction to explore.

DreamspitterOct 31, 20171 votes

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They shouldn't create something just for the sake of having more demons though. That pidgeon-holes design and can reduce the quality of the end result.

If they can create a new character that feeds off of human emotion and it is unique from the other characters, it will be a demon. if not then it won't.

I've always been against trying to do things just for the sake of having more of them, or for the sake of filling out a 'roster' like the zodiac signs. When used for overall character design It distracts from the goal of creating quality work.

There are two routes that could be taken when making more demons:

Skins

Actual new characters

Making more demon skins for characters could easily be done without ruining a character's integrity, rather than using precious design team time on a new character for such a project.

If we want Riot to create more demon characters though, we should try exploring what directions they could take the character in. A very core part of that would be what emotion it feeds from.

Rage would be a good one, it's a powerful emotion and certainly something demons could make humans 'fall' into.

Or maybe joy - for a unique take on the idea of feeding off human emotion. In that case you'd have some sort of creature that tries its damnedest to make people happy. Certainly a new and unique direction to explore.

Well consider all the Vastaya in the game for example. They made some new characters, and changed older ones.

HalcyonDwellerOct 31, 20171 votes

I mean, that made sense though. All vastayan are anthropomorphic. It was thematically appropriate.

Runterran Demons' shtick is already feeding off of human emotion. There's not much room for older characters in that, if you're looking at their core thematics. Not saying it's impossible, but if Riot is going to do it, they are going to do it for the right reasons. Not just because we 'need more demons.'

DreamspitterOct 31, 20171 votes

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I mean, that made sense though. All vastayan are anthropomorphic. It was thematically appropriate.

Runterran Demons' shtick is already feeding off of human emotion. There's not much room for older characters in that, if you're looking at their core thematics. Not saying it's impossible, but if Riot is going to do it, they are going to do it for the right reasons. Not just because we 'need more demons.'

And Evelynn is any different?

The scthick as you put is ALL new for her anyhow.

That aside also consider how a player base influences lore of a game. To give you one example for YEARS people knew there were 5 Darkin and speculated there already being more in the game. Varus was the most popular other than Jax. Rhaast interaction with Varus says, "All we need is Aatrox and it's a murder party!" . It implies things....but has not yet confirmed them. It's likely not set in stone.

To go outside of LoL look at overwatch.

https://i.imgur.com/39xu40y.jpg

Doomfist (Akande Ogindimu) was NEVER intended to be a playable character. Never. He was not seen, but mentioned in name only in the first Overwatch trailer. And ever since then, people had asked "When is Doomfist coming out?!"/"Who is Doomfist?" I saved competitive points in PVP only for Doomfist's golden weap when/if he ever came out.

There was much demand for Terry Crews to voice him, and Terry visiting Blizzard added to hype. After Overwatch's anniversary Doomfist actually came out voiced by Sahr Ngaujah. The developers can do whatever they like but....that's not to say that players are no influence. There's a lot more minds working away in the playerbase than there are in the developers studio. They may not be professionals, but they can devise a lot of ideas all at once. Devs will sometimes take one of these ideas, tweak it some, and then do a little fanservice. "That fan theory going around for years? it was actually right. Well, almost because-" etc

HalcyonDwellerNov 1, 20171 votes

Dude, hella aggression. I didnt say it was wrong to want more demons, only thay it was wrong to try to force designs that didnt work.

DreamspitterNov 1, 20171 votes

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Dude, hella aggression. I didnt say it was wrong to want more demons, only thay it was wrong to try to force designs that didnt work.

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I didn't claim it was right or wrong. Only that they can change older characters, that it can work, and the desires of the player base or popular ideas can influence.

In essence, they could make Fiddlesticks Shaco Nocturne -and it wouldn't be forced if it was done correctly. It's not the same as say, trying to say that JarvanIV was a demonic Leblanc all along sent by demon Swain or something like that.

Some people want to be a demon for some reason, though personally I would rather he be an elemental thing with Malphite because he too is just off and alone. I know some people despise "labels" of any sort ("Cause its hella 2017 bruh"), but in the beginning there was a smorgasbord of one of a kind characters from all over the place, even outside the core setting.

If Shaco is a demon, I'm certain they could make that work just fine. No worries.

If Shaco is somehow fey and connected with an upcoming champ, they could do that too.

https://i.imgur.com/nbZ0Zl6.jpg

And if Shac should turn out to be his own sort Evil from the Todash Darkness that also works.

I just have my own suspicions about where this is going and how.

HalcyonDwellerNov 1, 20171 votes

I see what you mean now, thanks for elaborating!

And I agree with what you've said here, I was only challenging things like the Void creatures and Jax and Morgana being mis-classified as demons.

I also agree that it would make a lot of sense for Shaco to be one of the fey.

DreamspitterOct 31, 20171 votes

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Good call on Fiddlesticks, I hadn't thought about that one before. Nocturne definitely is a demon, he's borne from fear. And I would say it is safe to assume he was the darkness from Lux's recent lore update. Shaco may also be one, but we're lacking updated lore for him to help confirm this.

It's stretching things a bit to claim that Morgana, Jax, or the Void creatures are demons.

Tahm Kench though, definitely feeds on greed and envy.

He feeds on misery, and loss.

HalcyonDwellerOct 31, 20171 votes

Good point, I couldn't really find the right words at the time.

In essence it is actually very similar to Evelynn.

Nik NikersonOct 31, 20172 votes

I'm pretty sure the void creatures aren't demons. They're spawned in a different space, and not native to Runeterra. The lore seems to indicate that they are actually mass produced weapons/soldiers who have gone out of control. Demons like Eve are primordial magical essences given form that feed off other living beings and their emotions. I actually think there's a greater connection between them and Janna, who is essentially a benevolent version.

I do believe they are pushing Nocturne into being a demon, but, demon can be kind of a catch all term for monsters, and it's not like someone calling something a demon makes it so; So it's possible that Nocturne isn't actually a demon, but people without an understanding of his true nature would mistake him for one.

marpatt11Oct 31, 20171 votes

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I'm pretty sure the void creatures aren't demons. They're spawned in a different space, and not native to Runeterra. The lore seems to indicate that they are actually mass produced weapons/soldiers who have gone out of control. Demons like Eve are primordial magical essences given form that feed off other living beings and their emotions. I actually think there's a greater connection between them and Janna, who is essentially a benevolent version.

I do believe they are pushing Nocturne into being a demon, but, demon can be kind of a catch all term for monsters, and it's not like someone calling something a demon makes it so; So it's possible that Nocturne isn't actually a demon, but people without an understanding of his true nature would mistake him for one.

Well, iirc, in evelynn's lore, it states she comes from a spirit realm of sorts, also idk if people in runeterra called nocturne a demon, they call shaco the "Demon Jester" so idk if you got them mixed up, or what. But yeah, I was just saying that we don't know much about the voidborn or anything about what Kayle/Morg are, so I was saying that "Heck, for all we know, demons could come from the void" but I don't necessarily think they are demons, we just don't know much about them. Anyways, Happy Halloween! and to all a good fright!
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Nik NikersonOct 31, 20171 votes

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Well, iirc, in evelynn's lore, it states she comes from a spirit realm of sorts, also idk if people in runeterra called nocturne a demon, they call shaco the "Demon Jester" so idk if you got them mixed up, or what. But yeah, I was just saying that we don't know much about the voidborn or anything about what Kayle/Morg are, so I was saying that "Heck, for all we know, demons could come from the void" but I don't necessarily think they are demons, we just don't know much about them. Anyways, Happy Halloween! and to all a good fright!

He's referred to as a demon in Lux and Garen's latest story.

https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/for-demacia/

Happy Halloween!

robotmasterOct 31, 20171 votes

The thing to keep in mind is the demons are suppose to be like the 7 deadly sins. So far we have lust and gluttony (eve and tahm) maybe fiddle is a demon, but I don’t think noc is, unless he is wraith which could be, but I don’t see it.

DreamspitterOct 31, 20171 votes

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The thing to keep in mind is the demons are suppose to be like the 7 deadly sins.

Not exactingly.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOct 31, 20172 votes

No they aren’t

GreenLoreNov 2, 20171 votes

I doubt they are related to the void. Demons seem to require some sort of pact to actually harm their victims(Eve needs the victim to touch her with desire and Tahm needs to make a deal). The void creatures just walk/float up to you and eat/analyze you.