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Reborn Promo - How It Affect the Lore of LoL imo

Drakonitus··21 votes·10,733 views

First of all, thank you so much for this new opportunity, @Riot Opeli and @Riot Parrot.

After the Reborn Promo, I believe that this is how things will be in the oficial lore:

-> Shurima again ascended as an empire. Azir and Sivir being very important in Shurima relationships.

-> Demacia lose their King Jarvan III Jarvan II. They need changes, they need to show that even with their king death they are powerful and still are the "DEMACIAAA".

-> Noxus, knowing this great loss (a powerful warrior who died in glory), prepares for a battle of epic proportions against Demacia. But for such a battle they, who believe that strong is everything, will use anything they could to win this battle, even if they need bring back people from the dead, maybe more than one person...

In the south, Xerath, an arrogant and megalomaniac wizard, was released after a thousand years and intends to subjugate the entire world...

To the north, an ancient queen hides in shadows intending to bring winter to the world...

Yordles, Trolls, Humans, Ursines... this epic battle will impact on everyone life...

This is my theory about the new "lore". =p

55 Comments

Moobeat27 votes

I'm more inclined to believe they are talking about J2, the events seem to have happened a bit in the past

Kruax Tani2 votes

Do we even know anything about J2 other then he helped Xin Zhao?

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

I would say we know almost nothing, other than the obvious (he was a king of Demacia, fought against Noxus, helped Xin).

Melancholy Exile9 votes

I'm more inclined to believe they are talking about J2, the events seem to have happened a bit in the past

Same. With the reference to Darkwill as Grand General and the massive impact that the death of J3 would have had on the setting, unless they were adjusting Sion's death to be a 'recent' event, it's far easier to believe that we're being given insight into events that happened decades before the present day.

Sunfield1 votes

I believe so too, but thats too damn bad, killing off J III and making J IV the new king would take big balls

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

It would, but I personally don't think this is the place to do it. One of the cool things about Sion is that he is a relic of sorts from Noxus' past, and I think the value of using this opportunity to flesh out Noxus' history is much greater than killing off J3 and making J4 king. They could still do it, just another day; not with the Sion rework.

MrBuffington1 votes

Now that you mention it, the Black Rose was supposed to not-exist at the present day, with LeBlanc trying to restore it. LeBlanc is supposed to be of unknown age, so that makes sense too.

Basilisk19913 votes

To be fair this could have very easily been a previous LeBlanc, they established in her judgement that LeBlanc is an alias passed down from the previous generation to the next.

MrBuffington4 votes

the plot thickens!

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

Different LeBlanc, different Jarvan, what's next? Different Xin Zhao?!? >.<

I mean, it makes sense(except the different Xin, that makes no sense), it even serves to make the story intriguing, as we haven't really seen this far back before, only seen it mentioned in passing.

Tesla Effect1 votes

Its the same Leblanc , The Jarvan they are talking to is Jarvan I, and who cares aboutXinZhao , itsSion time to shine!

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

I was joking about Xin Zhao, I just thought it was interesting that we are dealing with the predecessors of champions we have today. Also, LeBlanc seems to be a title or persona, not necessarily the same person. If you take a look at LeBlanc's lore and her League Judgement, we see that there was a LeBlanc that came before the LeBlanc we play with; after the previous LB got too old, she passed her mantle (and literally her appearance) to her successor.

So while it will be an identical LeBlanc, still acting as leader of the Black Rose, its likely its technically LeBlanc's predecessor. Does that make sense?

Here's a link to read her judgement

Tesla Effect1 votes

Thorn is Swain and Thorn talked with LeBlanc, so its the in-game LeBlanc we know.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

No where does it say Thorn is Swain. Also, we don't know how long the current LeBlanc has been leading the Black Rose. She could be relatively new, she could be fairly old. Even if Swain was Thorn, he's likely to have been in the Black Rose for a long time, especially since he's much older than most other champions (probably 50s or 60s if I had to guess). So there's a chance Swain has worked with both the previous LeBlanc and the current one.

My point is that we're not sure. We may never know for sure, and that only accentuates the Black Rose's secrecy.

Basilisk19911 votes

Swain's fairly old and we can assume he's been in the Black Rose for a while considering how much secrecy there was surrounding his past before joining the military (As a ranking officer no less), clearly he's been pulling strings for a while now.

Edit: Apparently the PBE lore is up on the wiki and someone has linked the Petal codename to Vlad, while I doubt that's accurate that would be a pretty interesting twist especially since Petal specifically mentioned "rituals of blood" also roses are red, as is blood. Also if the PBE lore is anything to go on Sion (As well as the leaked footage from reveal) was raised a while ago by Darkwill BUT was basically sealed in his monument (Thus the security around said monument mentioned in the "Fall") after a while.

Rideanovan2 votes

I'd argue that it's actually just Jarvan (the first), on the grounds that Xin Zhao would have died before he let Sion kill J2.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

EDIT: Summoner Sharjo's post above leads me to think I was mistaken. I'm pleased to have been wrong!

I'm more inclined to believe they are talking about J2, the events seem to have happened a bit in the past

This looks like it's going to be a cool lore event. I'm pretty excited.

That said, I'd like it even more if it were Jarvan II, but strongly suspect it's Jarvan III they're talking about. Why do I think it's J3 and not J2?

  • They're big on showing "character change". Making Prince Jarvan into King Jarvan will surely be cited again and again as an example of how they're breaking new ground. (Not that the League would have prevented this, or at least a sensibly reworked no-longer-all-powerful League wouldn't have.)
  • They want to bring in lots of Champions, which directly conflicts with the objective of making Sion "old" relative to Darius and company: you can't have Sion be from 100 years ago and still have Lux and Garen fighting Darius and Draven shortly after his death.
  • They want to wreck the old lore, or so it seems. Killing Jarvan III is significantly more disruptive to established lore than killing Jarvan II would be.

I think this is kind of a shame, because I liked the idea that Sion was from long ago. (I admit I'm also annoyed because it means I have to go back and rewrite some recent Factions lore to swap Jarvan IV in wherever Jarvan III is mentioned.) But it's not the worst thing.

Now, why might it be J2?

  • If this is really just a Sion relaunch, and not a complete lore event with a featured game mode and such, they might be okay with keeping it brief and not bringing in tons of "contemporary" characters.
  • It could be that I'm reading them wrong, and they actually do want to maintain the prior lore foundation in some way.
Sharjo4 votes

A tweet from Grumpymonkey reveals that this first part is indeed in the past, so it's likely Jarvan I or Jarvan II getting killed, and is set before anything Kalamanda related.

https://twitter.com/riotGrumpmonkey/status/514201825562488832

CupcakeTrap4 votes

I am so very, very pleased to have been wrong.

Now I can enjoy this without thinking of all the Factions retconning that it'll require. And we get to keep Sion as an ancient Noxian hero from days long past.

AmbushIntheDark3 votes

If its J2 it also opens up some story possibilities for Xin. J2 was the one who gave him freedom and who Xin swore to protect. With J2 being killed by Sion it will give them a chance to give xin more story.

"After failing to protect the King who gave him his freedom, Xin now protects his heirs with almost an obsessive level determination. Constantly haunted of his greatest failure Xin has sworn to protect the Lightshield line no matter the cost". Throw in some conflict with obeying his king and wanting to protect him (J4 actively fights in battles), maybe some conflict with his oath and his desire for revenge and we can get a pretty good story out of this.

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

Top that off with the fact that J3 doesn't seem to be in many battles himself and yes, we could get some very interesting contrast!

Celio Hogane HD1 votes

I'm more inclined to believe they are talking about J2, the events seem to have happened a bit in the past

maybe sion was resurected in the present.

RiotGrumpyMonkey7 votes

Yeah, these next few days are going to be a bit of backstory leading up to the current timeline in League. Someone will probably be #reborn after all is said and done, but what do I know.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

Yeah, these next few days are going to be a bit of backstory leading up to the current timeline in League. Someone will probably be #reborn after all is said and done, but what do I know.

I'm really glad to see that this is being set in the past. That retains Sion's identity as an "old-school" Noxian, and will likely flow better with the established lore.

Impetual2 votes

Hey Grumpy Monkey, are we going to get decent quality lore updates anytime soon?

Lately, it seems like the Lore department at Riot is trying to make themselves look bad.

Retcons are being made cannon without the actual retconned history being implemented in either the client or the website.

The impression that many players have gotten from Riot is " The history of Runeterra as you know it has changed completely...enjoy hearing about it in teeny tiny installments over the next few years."

What's the deal with that?

If Riot is going to retcon something as important as the Institute of war, they should be ready rewrite the lore around it as they remove it.

Now we're stuck in this weird limbo so we don't know what's what.

Omnipherious6 votes

Theory - The Jarvan mentioned in the Reborn promo is King Jarvan the First.

The layout of the promo site is: GLORY > FALL > RISE > REBORN

I believe, what we're seeing right now from this GLORY promo is Nox/Demaci history. The two must have been at odds for ages and it was only a matter of time before it reached a breaking point.

In this past, Sion was the Legendary Warrior General of Noxus. He was responsible for making Demacia the weakest it had ever been, which leads directly to the events that should be explored in the FALL promo. In this case, it would explore the fall of Demacia or at least, the fall of a very large part of Demacian-controlled areas. A prolonged Noxian invasion of Ionia could also happen during this era.

Generations pass, Noxus grows weak from complacence. In is in this age that the RISE promo story occurs, chronicling Demacia's return to power. It is in this age that we first see champions of Demacia such as Jarvan III, Marcus Crownguard (Garen/Lux's father) and a young Xin Zhao, heralds of the new invigorated Demacia. Even with an undead Sion, Noxus is no match for Demacia's renewed resolve.

Present day is where the REBORN story takes place, with the Azir events happening simultaneously. Since their defeat in the RISE story, Noxus undergoes change, most notable of which is their interpretation of strength. Swain rises to power with the help of the Black Rose and ensures Noxus has a variety of local and foreign strengths such as the Blood Brothers and Assassins of House Du Couteau for Noxus and Zaunite expertise from the likes of Singed, Warwick, Dr. Mundo.

Concerns - But that's impossible! Your theory doesn't make sense because LeBlanc exists in the GLORY promo!

Actually, that doesn't diminish the value of this theory. Part of LeBlanc's lore states that many have gone by the name "LeBlanc" for the Black Rose, and though the person changes with the generations, their role does not.

LeBlanc, a guiding hand for Noxus that works from the Shadows; Petal, the unassuming public image/figure head; Thorn, the blade that ensures their secrets stay secret. This way, modern day LeBlanc is... well LeBlanc; Swain is the modern day Petal, having assumed leadership of Noxus and essentially becoming the public face for the Black Rose; Talon and House Du Couteau represent Thorn.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

LeBlanc, a guiding hand for Noxus that works from the Shadows; Petal, the unassuming public image/figure head; Thorn, the blade that ensures their secrets stay secret. This way, modern day LeBlanc is... well LeBlanc; Swain is the modern day Petal, having assumed leadership of Noxus and essentially becoming the public face for the Black Rose; Talon and House Due Couteau represent Thorn.

That would be freaking awesome! (Great job at setting up what those titles could mean!)

Destínum3 votes

LeBlanc, a guiding hand for Noxus that works from the Shadows; Petal, the unassuming public image/figure head; Thorn, the blade that ensures their secrets stay secret. This way, modern day LeBlanc is... well LeBlanc; Swain is the modern day Petal, having assumed leadership of Noxus and essentially becoming the public face for the Black Rose; Talon and House Due Couteau represent Thorn.

Pretty cool theory, although the Du Couteau family doesn't seem to be on good terms with Swain and his followers. I think Thorn could potentially be Elise, since she's been hinted to be an ally of the Black Rose for a long time now.

Omnipherious1 votes

I don't think Noxians need to necessarily be on good terms with each other.

While the Du Couteaus and Swain may not agree, I wouldn't put it past them to suck it up and work together for the benefit of Noxus. If we know anything about Noxus, it is that they are willing to give respect to those who prove truly. Swain has a tactical mind, Katarina is an untouchable assassin, Cass has her duplicitous words.

You are right that Thorn could be Elise, but I think her personality is more akin to that of LeBlanc - tricking people into the Vilemaw cult, possibly feigning fealty to the Shadow Isles. If she were part of the Black Rose, I believe she would be under LeBlanc or someone that could also hold the mantle of LeBlanc.

Destínum1 votes

Possible. I still don't think the Du Couteaus are allies of the Black Rose though, since they seems to have something to do with Katarina's fathers dissapearance (judging from the Talon teaser for example).

Omnipherious1 votes

I don't think they are allies at all, but that wouldn't make them immune to manipulation.

I think it would be a safer bet to say that Talon has/had ties to the Black Rose, and Marcus Du Couteau by association with Talon.

Destínum1 votes

Yeah, very possible. We'll just have to wait and see I guess when/if they reveal anything.

Tesla Effect2 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sion/Background Its all up go and look and see...

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Holy crap that is freaking awesome! I guess we know that it really wasn't Jarven IV that started the whole Kalamanda incident!

Scuzzy Logic1 votes

I think Thorn could potentially be Elise, since she's been hinted to be an ally of the Black Rose for a long time now.

There's a champion with a line that goes along ''Feel theh thorn's embrace!'' Just saying.

Destínum1 votes

Yeah, but Zyra has nothing to do with Noxus, so I doubt it's her.

sp4415 votes

It seens very likely that the Jarvan in question was Jarvan I or II. Killing off Jarvan III would be too bold a move, specially right now, where we still weren't told exactly the state of Runeterra post-reboot.

Garentheon4 votes

I'm probably alone in this but I believe that it is the first Jarvan

John Berserk2 votes

It's yet to be confirmed within the new lore (outside of maybe Vel'Koz), but there's also the creatures of the Void just about ready to burst out into Runeterra.

Also the Shadow Isles getting ready to do...something. Idk, This might wait to be fleshed out once Mordekaiser gets his turn at the VU game.

Runeterra is kind of screwed on literally all fronts. If Champions lacked a reason to fight one another with the retconning of the IoW, I think they surely have a reason now.

Jace772 votes

The fact that you refer to xerath in that manner has me disappointed. mostly in riot. they still don't have my trust on that.

sion update incoming? :D

Fizz ln My Mouth2 votes

I'm mostly interested in whether or not Leblanc is still J4 at this point or if that ever happened.

And yeah, it would be nice if they cleared up the "which Jarvan did Sion kill" stuff. If it was the first or second, cool, but if it was the third... That would potentially make Leblanc (disguised as J4) Demacia's leader, which would open all sorts of conflict between Demacia and Noxus should Garen/Xin/Lux/Quinn/Shyvana figure it out somehow and spill the beans. Demacia would have to figure out a new leader ASAP and then march into Noxus to try to recover J4 (or his body..).

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

The whole "LeBlanc is J4" theory is a little silly in my opinion. It completely invalidates J4 as a character and just makes him seem like a complete moron, not the Exemplar of Demacia. I admit there is some value in having LB cause conflict by disguising herself as their trusted Prince, but is it so hard to imagine that LeBlanc only temporarily disguised herself as J4? I mean, I could see her instigating the battle in Kalamanda, but I don't see her allying with Katarina to expose the League: the DuCouteaus oppose her politically, and its obvious she doesn't want them any closer to finding General DuCouteau.

gubigubi2 votes

Leblanc Involvement I am interested.

Flemman2 votes

For Thorn and Petal, if we assume it's code name for important Black Rose member, and that they are related to leblanc in her champion page, maybe Thorn is Swain (who seems to don't trust Darkwill as Noxus leader) and Petal is Elise (know stuff about culte and shadow island)

Valaran Nara2 votes

I'm waiting for that moment when Garen and Katarina put their alliances aside to work together and save the world from the Voidborn and bring down the Black Rose. XD Come on, you know you want to see Garen throw his sword to the ground and dare Kat to attack him, just for her to go "Dammit, Garen, raise your sword."

^ That's how you negotiate with a rival

Lumus Avatar1 votes

I, myself, was wondering which Jarvan was killed and when this death of Sion was supposed to have occurred. The new story certainly gives his death more more meaning than the original and it so far hasn't really changed anything for the worse. We'll see what happens next.

Remember, after he was reanimated, Noxus assigned him to fight in the League of Legends, where he could not be killed or destroyed (Since League Champs never actually die). That said, if there is No League of Legends, then the next part of the story should give us insight into what Riot is planning for the world.

John Berserk1 votes

Well instead of being assigned as a representative, or rather, Champion of Noxus in the League of Legends, they could reanimate him as a way to inspire Noxians to back and support their way of life, as a symbol of the undying (literally) strength of Noxus, so the moral of the Noxian military and people are at an all-time high to allow for a devastating retaliatory strike against Demacia, and all of their enemies.

What better way to raise moral than to reanimate and reassign the greatest Noxian to ever live to command their armies once more to take down all who stand in their way?

Lumus Avatar1 votes

Oh I absolutely agree. It was just that after reanimating him, in the original lore, they didn't want to risk losing him again and wanted to keep him as a symbol for the Noxian people - so they shoved him in the League where no one could kill/destroy him. I think you're right. Without the League, they're just gonna shove him right back on the front lines. It just goes against his old lore in a major way is all I meant to point out.

"Even though Sion's increased powers would make him a powerful tool for the High Command's use outside the Fields of Justice, Noxus no longer risks losing one of their greatest champions in the League to chance or circumstance; Sion's days as a front-line fighter for Noxus' military conquests are at an end." -Sion's Lore

John Berserk1 votes

Well now according to his new lore based on the second part of the Reborn promo, he can't die, not permanently, so there's that.

Toa of Death1 votes

Don't forget about the now free voidborn. You know, the creatures of horror and terror that evolve and change as they eat. The monsters that two madmen claim to be coming to runeterra in full force and plan to bring their own visions of Hell to life.

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