With ever new champion or rework recently it seems like Noxus is painted even more evil.

Arakadia·Jul 7, 2017·8 votes·1,318 views

Kayn, Urgot, Kled's attitude, champion quotes from champions like Xayah or Rakan in general aimed at Noxians, etc.

I thought Riot's goal was to make Noxus less black and white, so I'm just confused in general because Noxus is not becoming very gray or more interesting.

Our three most modern Noxians (Urgot, Kayn, Kled) are all killers, violent, etc. And the rest of the Noxian crew has a very negative aura.

So when are we going to see some likable parts of Noxus beyond what we've known forever, that the strong can climb. I'm assuming when we get a lore update, probably with Swain's VGU, but jeez it doesn't look good so far.

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Valaran NaraJul 7, 20178 votes

Pretend Noxus is The USA.

They invade other countries and take over. Either through subterfuge or straight out war. THe people of Noxus probably doesn't see themselves as evil. What they enjoy is freedom. Freedom to say what they want and do as they please within context. It's just that their freedom isn't restricted by laws like America.

Are all Noxians bad and evil? No. But are leadership such as their general/president as well as others who head the military? Possibly. They're the figure heads which everyone all over look at.

Swain is seen as a dark and malicious man that others detest. Trump is...okay. Know what? I'll end it there because I'm going to start up Politics.

But with that being said. The US has a reputation that makes Americans be seen as...rather deplorable, even if we haven't quite done anything yet to prove so.

ArakadiaJul 7, 20171 votes

I'm not saying Noxus is evil, but that Riot has supported it being evil.

Wrathof300Jul 7, 20174 votes

That's the point. When Noxus lore finally drops it makes the grey stand out much more, and impacts people's views and opinions on Noxus' evil, significantly.

ArakadiaJul 8, 20171 votes

Thats what I said I hope will happen in the original post.

KrabohodJul 8, 20171 votes

Also, prior to Noxus new lore we've seen Noxus only from point of views of outsiders of Noxus. And just cuckoo-crazy Kled. We just need to wait till lore reveal. Sharjo promised it will be cool and Nexus will turn grey.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 7, 20177 votes

Why is this a problem?

Dirty Noxian scum.

Valor BotJul 7, 20171 votes

Quinn "The affront of Noxians this deep within the forums is galling."

HalfTangibleJul 7, 20174 votes

Well, duh.

Our most recent lore updates have focused on Demacia (Noxus' sworn enemy) and Ionia (which Noxus has invaded twice now in incredibly bloody conflicts). Kayn, Xayah and Rakan are all from Ionia, which just recently (historically speaking) was invaded by Noxus. Kayn in particular is part of the bad guy ninja faction, so his perspective is somewhat skewed. Kled is very clearly an outcast from Noxian society, so you can't really use him to judge Noxus as a whole.

We have so many killers among Noxians because it is a highly expansionist and militaristic faction. It's the same reason why "everybody" aligned with Sejuani in the Freljord is an asshole and "everyone" from Piltover is a self-made inventor with cool gadgets.

Also, making a nation "less black and white" just means that there are things to like about it as well as hate. Noxus in the old lore was pretty much pure evil and proud of it; they had a skull mountain for a capital city, for cryin' out loud.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 7, 20172 votes

A skull mountain sounds awesome btw.

HalfTangibleJul 8, 20171 votes

Oh I agree and I wish they'd kept it, but it's also cartoonishly evil, so I can see why they'd get rid of it

KrabohodJul 8, 20171 votes

It was so cartoony that Swain residence probably would be inside it. And Swain would pet cat, while sitting in chair. And Darius would fail every task he gets by some stupid reason like catching his own anvil with his head.

GreenLoreJul 7, 20174 votes

Well noxus is not supposed to be a nice place.

It is a faction that is supposed to be morally dark.

They do have their good sides,but I guess this will only be shown once we get to the noxus champs.

Big LincolnJul 7, 20172 votes

They don't seem bad to me

ArakadiaJul 8, 20172 votes

What are your opinions on mages?

Big LincolnJul 8, 20173 votes

fuck mages

ArakadiaJul 8, 20172 votes

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Beas7ieJul 8, 20172 votes

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Kayn, Urgot, Kled's attitude, champion quotes from champions like Xayah or Rakan in general aimed at Noxians, etc.

I thought Riot's goal was to make Noxus less black and white, so I'm just confused in general because Noxus is not becoming very gray or more interesting.

Our three most modern Noxians (Urgot, Kayn, Kled) are all killers, violent, etc. And the rest of the Noxian crew has a very negative aura.

So when are we going to see some likable parts of Noxus beyond what we've known forever, that the strong can climb. I'm assuming when we get a lore update, probably with Swain's VGU, but jeez it doesn't look good so far.

I've been gone for a while, so after rereading some of the lore, it certainly does seem that Rito is failing on that front. Kayn's backstory which it talks about how Noxus also forces a bunch of little kids to be disposable cannon fodder front line troops with their train of thought being "Who would try and hurt these children" and also "If anything does happen to them, who care's they're just a bunch of kids" definitely doesn't paint them in a good light.

ArakadiaJul 9, 20171 votes

I agree. +1

ModAcademy KaynJul 7, 20171 votes

Because Noxus is meant to look evil from a first glance, especially from Demacian Propaganda. The main difference is that Noxus is not evil, it is the people who are evil. We are seeing the exceptions, that show the downside of the Noxian way (New Urgot lore and Kayn lore), but we haven't seen the general Noxian population like Piltover, Demacia, Zaun etc.

Eternal791Jul 7, 20171 votes

Something to keep in mind, while the new Urgot is a pretty twisted dude, he was betrayed by Noxus. This could imply that he was to extreme for them, so they got rid of him.

ArakadiaJul 8, 20171 votes

I like this idea. Thanks for sharing, cause this would totally make sense.

zaire90Jul 8, 20171 votes

I was thinking about asking this myself but you beat me. Also Kayn is Ionian and it seems like Urgot is no longer a Noxian but from Zaun. I was wondering why all these champs all hate Noxus ad we havent gotten one that likes it but isn't considered bad ( Kled )

HalfTangibleJul 8, 20171 votes

How about Katarina ?

"She hasn't been updated yet!"

EXACTLY. Wait on the Noxus update, whenever that ends up being. I doubt it'll be much longer, given how much Noxus lore has been hinted and teased at in other champions and stories.

ArakadiaJul 8, 20171 votes

Kayn originates from Noxus and has a dark background that supports the idea that Noxus is evil.

Urgot is most likely Noxian, although we can't be sure, but he absolutely has relations to them as Swain betrayed him in his new lore.

Kled isn't considered evil, but he is a nasty murderer who enjoys chaos. Even though he is a funny character with some awesome stuff, he doesn't help Noxus's case.

Chembaron YamadaJul 9, 20171 votes

Urgot will be the same like Kayn. He has a background there, once being a headsman and getting betrayed by Swain. But he will be considered a Zaunite champion in my opinion, since all his business is there now.

It doesn't seem he is out to get revenge for Swain betraying him, he focuses on etablishing his ideal in Zaun, getting rid of chembarons and government in general and telling people that all that really matters is surviving.

ArakadiaJul 9, 20171 votes

But both their past's and events that occurred in Noxus are negative and paint the country even darker. I know their not considered Noxians, but they were born in Noxus and have Noxian blood with a dark past in Noxus that makes the country seem even more vile.

Chembaron YamadaJul 9, 20171 votes

Well, the whole idea of Noxus was that everyone is able to climb in rank if he shows that he is strong enough. Let's revert this statement: it means that everyone who is weak does not have a place in that society.

You could consider that as some form of social darwinism and this is actually a bad (or if you want: evil) ideology for most people. That's just what gets along with the idea. You have to prove your value for the society by being strong, otherwise you are just consuming their resources and therefore are harming the rest of the society.

The likeable parts of that ideology is that they are not discriminating based on gender, race or (in case of Demacia) magical powers. If you are strong, all that stuff doesn't matter.

midnight oil24Jul 17, 20171 votes

I really like what you say here. People see not so great things Noxus does and say that Noxus is evil and Riot is failing on making them grey in morality. The thing is, Noxus seems to be a very practical country. It does what it feels is best for the current situation, and if it's a little iffy, so what? I like that, because it gives a different approach to how someone can act.

People seem to generally want them to be paragons. They are IN THEIR NATION'S EYES. Noxus values strenth. Strength, in their eyes, is not being kind. It's doing what's necessary to survive, especially since the whole country is pretty inhospitable. That's why I like Noxus. They're aware of what they are and aren't trying to hid it. They do what they feel is right, and it can be right at times. Demacia, on the other hand, says they're champions of justice despite saying that mages are evil and doing horrible procedures on the to "fix" them. Garen says that they shouldn't try to understand other people's viewpoints, that all other nations are enemies. That somehow seems worse to me.

Beas7ieJul 8, 20171 votes

They're not necessarily evil per say.

They're just dicks.

On the flipside, Demacia isn't all spinning and sunshine either.

ArakadiaJul 8, 20171 votes

No, I agree. Thats not what I'm trying to say.

It's just I feel that Riot is not helping to push away from the cliche, stereotype.