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Okay can yall calm the f#@! down

The Stripy Bag··18 votes·3,582 views

I get that Kayle not being clad in armor makes a lot of you upset but quick question. How many of you actually play Kayle enough to have a true opinion on her looks? Like I don't mean you played her on ARAM after rerolling twice I mean as in you have her in your top 3 champions played and besides I see something similar to how Aether WIng Kayle looks plus it could have been a whole lot worse. As for everyone complaining about the looks of Kayle can yall at least wait until after the character's lines,lore,moveset,and interactions come out to declare something a failure of design. I mean jesus f#@$ing christ she's not even on PBE yet. Same on yall for being shallow if someone's appearance is enough for you to not play them though considering the champion involved it doesn't matter anyways since none of you play her in her current form,s#!%, and I'm one of the first people to say f#@$ you to Riot but it tends to be for a good enough reason rather than just how someone looks. Seriously what the hell it's not even on pbe yet and yall wanna Riot about this. Worse part is you guys are so predictable that I know you all are gonna down vote this thread because it doesn't fit your opinions. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

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BeatzBoyFTW8 votes

We're not even complaining about her gameplay, so there's nothing to wait. She just looks seriously small & petite compared to her current looks.

The Stripy Bag2 votes

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We're not even complaining about her gameplay, so there's nothing to wait. She just looks seriously small & petite compared to her current looks.

Maybe because the camera was zoomed in a lot plus she's not built,built like Illaoi if Aether Wing and RIOT are anything to go off of. She's also always been on the smaller side but because she's flying everywhere she looks bigger since she's further off the ground than most champions. TLDR She probably looks smaller cause of the camera angle you're seeing her.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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Maybe because the camera was zoomed in a lot plus she's not built,built like Illaoi if Aether Wing and RIOT are anything to go off of. She's also always been on the smaller side but because she's flying everywhere she looks bigger since she's further off the ground than most champions. TLDR She probably looks smaller cause of the camera angle you're seeing her.

I'm not talking about her size. I meant that her design just doesn't look as "knight-ty" as I thought she's suppose to look. Her current one gives off a small sense of masculinity & a true warrior tension from her. Her new one is pretty much the opposite. Although her true form looks like some sort of Digimon but nonetheless seems somewhat cool, I just figured her base form could at least get some sort of knight-looking design like her current one.

Madjack016 votes

Being a main or a fan of the champ does not entitle you to determine how that champ looks though so the point is irrelevant.

I for example am a Morg main and while I love how she looks, I myself would have opted for a more womanly look. With those big eyes and cute little nose she looks very young. But oh well, I don't lose it over what is essentially a creative decision by the developers whom still hold all the rights concerning their creations. It really doesn't matter how much time and emotions I personally invested in the champ (regardless of how much that annoys me at times)

I do appreciate the sentiment of calming down though.

Wofye5 votes

I'm the only one who seems to actually enjoy the new design. Im not comparing her to her old self because this is a different iteration, its comparing 2 different characters for me. Im just happy she looks beautiful (save for giraffe neck thats kinda funny). I have never seen people complain about aether wing but i know that every kayle ive ever seen uses it over classic anyway, and she was still in character regardless.

It seems really shady to me that people are complaining about this design.

ExpStealer2 votes

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I'm the only one who seems to actually enjoy the new design. Im not comparing her to her old self because this is a different iteration, its comparing 2 different characters for me. Im just happy she looks beautiful (save for giraffe neck thats kinda funny). I have never seen people complain about aether wing but i know that every kayle ive ever seen uses it over classic anyway, and she was still in character regardless.

It seems really shady to me that people are complaining about this design.

Aether Wing isn't revealing even if it isn't exactly armor either. I'm sure it just looks better in-game than the current classic one, which is heavily outdated.

And, no, it's not comparing two different characters. She may have different lore and abilities brought up to today's standards, but she's still the same Kayle - a Righteous Angel of Justice, who hides her feminine features behind her armor - which is a necessary contrast with Morgana, aside from being a part of her identity.

Wofye5 votes

How is it not revealing? The argument i've seen (and even you used it here) is that if you can tell its feminine therefore its revealing (of her femininity). Aether wing does exactly this, that skin is fine and also not androgynous.

"Righteous" she is still this. "Angel" yes we have this. "Of justice" we kept this. "Hides her feminine features behind her armor". No, she doesn't. She has skins that disagree with you and no one bats an eye. If you want to claim she herself as a character is intentionally trying to look androgynous then that is projection. She may find her outfit choice to be an after thought for all we know and it wouldnt affect her personality.

Your argument has many holes.

The strongest thing I get from people who make this argument is that they equate outfit with personality. That seems really shallow to me and poorly thought out.

NocturnalSheild3 votes

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How is it not revealing? The argument i've seen (and even you used it here) is that if you can tell its a feminine therefore its revealing (of her femininity). Aether wing does exactly this, that skin is fine and also not androgynous.

"Righteous" she is still this. "Angel" yes we have this. "Of justice" we kept this. "Hides her feminine features behind her armor". No, she doesn't. She has skins that disagree with you and no one bats an eye. If you want to claim she herself as a character is intentionally trying to look androgynous then that is projection. She may find her outfit choice to be an after thought for all we know and it wouldnt affect her personality.

Your argument has many holes.

Typically you only look at the base skin if you are bringing up the characters "choice" the other skins ate alternate realitys.

Wofye1 votes

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Wofye1 votes

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Wofye3 votes

I think I can leave that out then if we can only talk about the base / classic.

People projecting the quality of "supposed to be androgynous" is still headcanon. She just wears whatever she feels like for whatever reason she may see fit. We have no given reason canonically for why she wears what she does. Armor humans can relate to vs weird armor I can't attach my narrative to is what this argument is boiling down to.

I can list more reasons why this argument doesn't work but I dont think people wanna hear it.

Iota Theta1 votes

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Typically you only look at the base skin if you are bringing up the characters "choice" the other skins ate alternate realitys.

Unless there’s something specific about the skin, like Captain Gangplank, Captain Fortune, the pirate TF and Graves skins, Unmasked Kayle (cause no one wears a helmet 100% of the time).

Warlord Rhinark4 votes

How many of you actually play Kayle enough to have a true opinion on her looks? Like I don't mean you played her on ARAM after rerolling twice I mean as in you have her in your top 3 champions played

https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Warlord%20Rhinark

Now give me my damn armor back.

King Braum3 votes

Used to play her a ton, then eventually started playing her less and less over the years. Still think she has one of the best default looks in game aside from her helmet which is why I was really happy at the time when I got unmasked kayle.

King Braum2 votes

Additionally. You dont need to play a champion to be bothered by a design. I didn't play Urgot but even I can see that his old design does a way better job at portraying a man barely clinging to life through whatever means he has.

BoringLittleF4 votes

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Additionally. You dont need to play a champion to be bothered by a design. I didn't play Urgot but even I can see that his old design does a way better job at portraying a man barely clinging to life through whatever means he has.

Because he is no longer clinging to life, he revels in pain and survival of the fittest. His personality is all about brutality, laughing in the face of torture and dark, gruesome sense of humor. However, you don't know that because ** you've never played him ** UNLIKE people who had.

I played both old and new Urgot. Old one was a mess and basically Sion, but from Zaun. New Urgot is a scary, menacing and cunning brute with original design and bio.

Man, OP was right.

King Braum1 votes

Old Urgot wasnt from Zaun, his tech always originated from Zaun but Urgot has always been a Noxian. I just think his old more hidious design fit him better as it portrayed his struggle, an abomination clinging onto life after being gutted by Garen.

To me personally this was what made the story of Urgot so great, he was a sort of twisted cyborg fueled by rage which is in an archetype I personally love.

Similar cases can be made for Yorick, Swain and Galio. Sure their new design do a great way of showing off their new lore (atleast to an extend) but fail to translate over some of their core that was seen in their prior incantations.

BoringLittleF2 votes

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Old Urgot wasnt from Zaun, his tech always originated from Zaun but Urgot has always been a Noxian. I just think his old more hidious design fit him better as it portrayed his struggle, an abomination clinging onto life after being gutted by Garen.

However after the lore change he was no longer that abomination, so the new design was not supposed to support that lore.

To me personally this was what made the story of Urgot so great, he was a sort of twisted cyborg fueled by rage which is in an archetype I personally love.

People started coming out telling how much they loved old Urgot once his rework was launched. However nobody cared about Urgot before and he was too much of an "cyborg" archetype instead of an authentic champion.

Similar cases can be made for Yorick, Swain and Galio. Sure their new design do a great way of showing off their new lore (atleast to an extend) but fail to translate over some of their core that was seen in their prior incantations.

Their core was changed together with the entire Runeterra lore. Galio could no longer walk around with his sculptor around Demacia because people hated magic, lore has been building up Swain as a king killer general for a long time and Shadow Isles became the only place living dead and spirits could come from.

King Braum1 votes

A few things I have to say about that.

First of all, If you change the lore of a character, their design, their personality and more, can you really call it the same champion? How many aspects of a champion can you remove before you consider a champion lost. What of their lore, design, kit or more needs to be kept alive.

In terms of the grotesque champions of league I feel quite strongly towards them. Yet that's quite the unpopular opinion as most would rather play the handsome or badass hero than some monstrosity, though does that make my opinions any less valid?

Should all champions be steared towards pleasing the many over the few, especially in a game with over 100 champions, can we not keep some champions that are aimed at pleasing the few?

And as a small note, even with the world update a lot of champions didn't need to be changed the way they were. Yorick was always a tragic character of the shadow isles, the setting hadn't changed but they specifically created a backstory for the shadow isles for Yorick, turning him from a tragic character to a sort of hero in his own way.

And the same goes for Galio, Demacia already had an order of magic users which served the kingdom in secret. And what's more secretive than a stone statue, simply appearing as a part of the city to the naked eye. (oh and Galio's sculpture has been long dead, even his old lore, the man was killed and afterwards Galio basically acted like a statue out of shame until he met poppy.)

Oh and as a final point the thing I should really be driven home is that Kayle's new armor design adds nothing to her character and actively clashes with her current personality, as someone that strives for justice, valor and used to quite shy away from her more feminine traits, unlike her sister morgana, You'd think she'd atleast wear anything more than a spandex suit.

BoringLittleF2 votes

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A few things I have to say about that.

First of all, If you change the lore of a character, their design, their personality and more, can you really call it the same champion? How many aspects of a champion can you remove before you consider a champion lost. What of their lore, design, kit or more needs to be kept alive.

It depends on how much detail was used to make a champion. Like, almost none of the current champs have bios they used to have when League was launched.

In terms of the grotesque champions of league I feel quite strongly towards them. Yet that's quite the unpopular opinion as most would rather play the handsome or badass hero than some monstrosity, though does that make my opinions any less valid? Should all champions be steared towards pleasing the many over the few, especially in a game with over 100 champions, can we not keep some champions that are aimed at pleasing the few?

However the grotesque characters aren't made less so. Urgot is terrifying in his new design and his ult is something straight out of The Saw.

And as a small note, even with the world update a lot of champions didn't need to be changed the way they were. Yorick was always a tragic character of the shadow isles, the setting hadn't changed but they specifically created a backstory for the shadow isles for Yorick, turning him from a tragic character to a sort of hero in his own way.

Was he really changed much?

And the same goes for Galio, Demacia already had an order of magic users which served the kingdom in secret. And what's more secretive than a stone statue, simply appearing as a part of the city to the naked eye. (oh and Galio's sculpture has been long dead, even his old lore, the man was killed and afterwards Galio basically acted like a statue out of shame until he met poppy.)

Demacia can barely stomach human mages, but a living gargoyle? I doubt they will ever try to use something like that. Also Illuminators are obviously getting retconned.

Oh and as a final point the thing I should really be driven home is that Kayle's new armor design adds nothing to her character and actively clashes with her current personality, as someone that strives for justice, valor and used to quite shy away from her more feminine traits, unlike her sister morgana, You'd think she'd atleast wear anything more than a spandex suit.

Kayle didn't shy from feminine traits and she acknowledged her good looks, she thought that she did ugly things to make justice happen, so she wore a helmet.

I know skins are mostly not character-canon, but there still is a tendency. Like Vi skins are tomboyish more or less. Sona is elegant. Kayle is somwhere between business and graceful feminity (Iron Inquisitor Kayle, Aether Wing Kayle, etc.). And we did not know much about Kayle since her lore was untouched and she had like 2-3 phrases + reference to League.

Right now, with the updated lore, Kayle is centuries old and is not burdened by Justice and doesn't hide her face out of guilt for doing things she does (as implied in her old lore and I think "She was beautiful but oh she had to hide her delicate features under the helmet" cliche is silly). She is willing to deliver justice left and right and smite people. She is proud of her heritage. And she considers herself a paragon, while fighting her mortal emotions.

Camille Ferrøs3 votes

To critique an art you need to see it, not play it or what ever.

FriesDotSalt2 votes

well said

ExpStealer2 votes

I've tried to play her. I don't 'cause I just can't. She's one of them mechanical clusterfoxtrots I just can't come to terms with and can't learn. But that doesn't invalidate my opinion that she looks horribly. And I'm pretty sure at least 80% of Kayle mains are pissed.

Serika Zero2 votes

Kayle mrchanics: Press q to slow. press w to speed up Press e to attack from range Press r to avoid dmg for a few seconds.

She's one of the most basic Champs out there. learning her has almost nothing to do with mechanics.

TimeToDieSuckers2 votes

I preferred the red/golden colors and armor. Don't need to be a kayle main to say you preferred the old art better.

GreenKnight2 votes

Kayle's design is what brought me to league. Fuck this fetishied biker girl. This is not Kayle

Neokilljoy1 votes

I've been mulling over making a thread or something defending Kayle's new design. But I think I'll wait on that until the community on the Boards calms down a little bit and is willing to give an ear for an honest discussion. Not to say that I don't have criticisms of the new design (I have a lot, actually), but to say that her new design doesn't have ANY positives is way too rash.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

Does it matter if you "play her enough to have an opinion on her looks". Fiora was my most played champ before her rework, and my opinion didn't mean jack shit on her rework. So why do people suddenly have to play Kayle a lot to have an opinion that will go largely ignored.

If they don't like it, they don't like it. Its a drastic change that took something that stood out and was honestly pretty iconic, I mean Kayle was the face of the tribunal, her floating there with her sword posed in the middle of her body, every semi seasoned league player has seen that, they know who that is. That was a perfect look/theme for Kayle, and now its been replaced with some captain marvel looking shit. If they don't like it, thats fine it doesn't matter if they have 1,000,000 mastery points or not. Kayle's change is like if they gave Katarina blonde hair and took away her scar and gave her an axe. Its so different from the character everyone knows. Gameplay =/= aesthetic.

KFCeytron1 votes

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How many of you actually play Kayle enough to have a true opinion on her looks? I know you all are gonna down vote this thread because it doesn't fit your opinions.

Actually, the main reason to downvote this thread isn't because it doesn't fit our opinions, but rather because you claim that we aren't enough of a True Scotsman to have opinions.

Darius Strada1 votes

I will absolutly complain about things I disagree. You can either agree or disagree with me but I will not be silenced.

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