I'm kind of disappointed at the community's reaction to the Star guardian skins

KuroCaliber··154 votes·6,352 views

I'm definitely going to get downvoted for this, and quite frankly, I still think it needs to be said. This shitstorm kicks up every time a popular champion gets a skin. People were seriously irritated during the vs event that yasuo and riven got skins. They were angry that jhin got a blood Moon skin, they were angry any time ahri gets a skin. Or Annie or teemo or ryze, even though the latter three are among the oldest of champions.

I raise you this, currently, we have a guarantee that the majority of skinless champions are getting a skin. Rather than taking that news happily, people instead get even more impatient. It's as if because riot said they would release a skin that year, it must be for those champions before all others. Every time I see a champion get a skin that isn't on the whine list, I feel sad that all of those champions mains are going to have their excitement dampened because the community is determined to make them feel like shit for buying them. I love yorick a lot, and while I haven't played him for very long, I'd like a skin for him to. I took over look at the Star guardian theme and was like, "I'm glad that yorick wasn't part of this.". But i still adore all of those new releases. It wasn't a good theme for him, but I know there are themes that fit him better, like battlecast or pool party. Heck I'd wait all year if Santa yorick was on the list this year.

If you believe that skins are something to be cherished, why do you insist on tearing everyone else down when they get it. Surely you want people to be happy for you when you finally get your skin? Then why so hostile towards the champions who get skins. They're popular for a reason. If non popular champs didn't have such a bad reputation for salt or hate on boards, maybe people would want to be more vocal for a skin who didn't play the champion. Honestly, I feel like Swain, yorick and Cass players are the equivalent of vayne, yasuo, and Lee sin players on boards. You're just incredibly toxic when things don't go your way.

But you don't have to be, if riot guaranteed a skin, why the hate? You're getting what you want, why impugn on other people's happiness?

Make it clearer for me because I don't understand that if you know a skin is coming within the next 9 months, why there's so much hate when other skins are released in the mean time?

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Baron von Jiggly79 votes

it's not an issue of liking Ahri it's the issue of pandering mainly to Ahri fans while other fans have been waiting years for skins for champions that never get skins.

like every time an Ahri skin gets revealed it feels like a slap in the face like Riot doesn't care about most of their fanbase they only care about the ones that follow the champs they made super popular.

it's like this a few years ago Zac and Khazix were sitting in a position where they were popular but had been sitting on their single skins they got from launch for so very long. meanwhile Ahri was getting like 1 every year since those 2 came out.

it got to the point that when Zac finally got a Pool Party Skin fans were super happy. the skin didn't even add much to him as a skin it was basically was a chroma pack that gave him pants and a cool new recall. but the fact they gave him a skin in general was enough to make people happy

so to see that we are still doing this crap where champs that desperately need skins are still sitting on the back burner while Ahri gets one every year regardless of if that skin could fit like many other champions it just feels so crappy.

Riot Guarantees a lot of stuff and than either takes forever with it, flat out cancels it, or does something else that makes these things not a obtainable or usable so after years of broken promises the fan base is a bit quick to feel like they are being ignored or betrayed

(examples of broken promises - Magma chamber, Bilgewater aram, being able to keep and switch out the announcer after events, many skins, & fixing Dominion.) the list goes on these guys have let us down many times now

NineTailedMystic16 votes

They said Zac was difficult to make skins for, and didn't Kha get Deathblossom last year and Dark Star this year?

KuroCaliber20 votes

But Zac was given an SKT skin because blank asked for it, it wasn't a riot choice. They give in to a player demand for a team skin as long as there played it at worlds.

rtbf22561824116 votes

ESports skins don't count. They're essentially forced-to-make skins.

KuroCaliber6 votes

Yes, that is what I was pointing out. SKT Zac wasn't on Riot's Skin List.

Dabrick0110 votes

But they basically HAVE to make them.

Of course it wasn't on their list.

The sky will fall when someone asks for SKT Yorick or some shit.

Ahri Body Pillow5 votes

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it's not an issue of liking Ahri it's the issue of pandering mainly to Ahri fans while other fans have been waiting years for skins for champions that never get skins.

like every time an Ahri skin gets revealed it feels like a slap in the face like Riot doesn't care about most of their fanbase they only care about the ones that follow the champs they made super popular.

it's like this a few years ago Zac and Khazix were sitting in a position where they were popular but had been sitting on their single skins they got from launch for so very long. meanwhile Ahri was getting like 1 every year since those 2 came out.

it got to the point that when Zac finally got a Pool Party Skin fans were super happy. the skin didn't even add much to him as a skin it was basically was a chroma pack that gave him pants and a cool new recall. but the fact they gave him a skin in general was enough to make people happy

so to see that we are still doing this crap where champs that desperately need skins are still sitting on the back burner while Ahri gets one every year regardless of if that skin could fit like many other champions it just feels so crappy.

Riot Guarantees a lot of stuff and than either takes forever with it, flat out cancels it, or does something else that makes these things not a obtainable or usable so after years of broken promises the fan base is a bit quick to feel like they are being ignored or betrayed

(examples of broken promises - Magma chamber, Bilgewater aram, being able to keep and switch out the announcer after events, many skins, & fixing Dominion.) the list goes on these guys have let us down many times now

The issue with Zac and Kha'Zix was (and still is) that their models/particles are extremely elaborate and are very difficult to make new skins for. Zac is a shifting blob and Kha'Zix has an evolving character model with a lot of combinations. I understand your point, but there two were very poor example.

Alas, poor Yorick!

GreenLore6 votes

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Alas, poor Yorick!

Well Yorick has his ghouls,his maiden and his wall as additional models,so he isn't really a good example either.

Blue Moon Wolf4 votes

For some champs its not even an issue of getting skins or not, its that the skins they do get don't do much to add much, pretty much just getting the same basic theme with a different model.

TyrekGoldenspear41 votes

If you believe that skins are something to be cherished, why do you insist on tearing everyone else down when they get it. Surely you want people to be happy for you when you finally get your skin? Then why so hostile towards the champions who get skins. They're popular for a reason. If non popular champs didn't have such a bad reputation for salt or hate on boards, maybe people would want to be more vocal for a skin who didn't play the champion. Honestly, I feel like Swain, yorick and Cass players are the equivalent of vayne, yasuo, and Lee sin players on boards. You're just incredibly toxic when things don't go your way.

See this is my pain problem with all the hate on the boards (or anywhere really).

It's fine to be disappointed, but don't tear down the mains of the popular champs for daring to get these skins because they must be "sheeple, rednecks, weebs drowning in their drool, etc. that only exist to feed Riot's greed."

That just isn't cool.

NineTailedMystic6 votes

feelsbadman

TyrekGoldenspear8 votes

Pats

Mira Arya Enthe8 votes

NO! How dare you not play a champion who is ugly, outdated or has a maximum playrate of .5%! Get off these boards NOW!

KuroCaliber4 votes

Mira, I respect your opinion a lot, as a popular boards member, and I really hope you can understand. I do not have a problem with wanting a skin for a champion who has a low playrate, however, I most certainly do not support making those who play popular champions feel like shit when they got a new skin, and all they see are threads about how they don't deserve them. Imagine a yorick player finally gets a new skin, how would they feel if all they saw were people saying that Cassiopeia deserved it more?

LostFr0st2 votes

Except that Cass and Yorick are sitting in the same boat with Viktor. More than pretty sure they'd be happy about it. After all, they celebrated together when Zyra finally got a skin and left the boat.

PB4UAME1 votes

Cass has had skins, though, and Viktor has 1 as well.

Yorick has never had a skin ever. No one is on his boat.

LostFr0st3 votes

We can split hairs all we want, the point is that those Champ mains don't fight if one of them finally gets a skin.

TyrekGoldenspear8 votes

Mira is trolling me Kuro XD.

It's our thing now lol.

Oleandervine28 votes

My beef is that Arcade Ezreal/Ahri/Miss Fortune already play on the super poppy/Japanese/video game feel thematic, and then they all immediately get Star Guardian skins which overlap that thematic a lot, imo. I don't mind Ezreal/Ahri/MF getting new skins, so long as they make some degree of sense and don't bump edges with skin lines they already are a part of. That's my biggest issue with them. There were actually thematic champions, like Taric, who were passed over for this line so they could be a part of it. Hell, Sivir or even Diana could have fit in this line a lot better too, because even they have elements that could work in a magical girl thematic, have the whole tsundere/tough girl attitude, and would be unique skin fantasies for them.

KuroCaliber3 votes

See that I could understand, but these skins are out. Are you really going to shame the players who like these champs for liking that they got skins?

Oleandervine33 votes

I'm not shaming the players at all. I shame Riot for selecting these three champions due to the existence of better options. I personally love MF and will buy the shit out of this skin cause it's gorgeous.

Nylisa1 votes

the star child gets star guardian skin years after jinx , jinx is more of a explosion military maniac like omega squad not magical girl thematic. although SG jinx is pretty good. i get the idea behind the skins but i just dont agree to it thats all. i mean i love the characters in the ways they are i cant imagine them in different themes with different personalities.or they wouldn't be the same for me.

Oleandervine11 votes

Outwardly, no. But how many anime girls have you seen that are violent, a lil insane, and still lovably cute? Jinx could literally not be out of place in any anime you drop her in.

OurLestrade22 votes

More high budget Ahri skins, woo. The porn and cosplay scenes will be quaking in their boots.

KuroCaliber13 votes

So should people be ashamed for liking ahri? Should an entire community shame you for liking your main when you finally get your skin?

Valor Bot22 votes

I don't think anyone is trying to shame others for the skins they like. I think they're just disappointed that high-quality skins for popular champions seem to be released much more frequently than high-quality skins for unpopular champions. Such is life, and the nature of business. But it is admittedly disappointing for those of us waiting for a great skin for our favorite champs.

KuroCaliber2 votes

I know, but many of the skinless champs have been given a guarantee that within twelve months they'd have a skin. With that in mind, how can Yorick/Cass/Swain/illaoi mains continue complaining?

Valor Bot19 votes

Well, Yorick, Cass, Swain, and Illaoi aren't the only champions experiencing a skin drought. Tons of champions like Jarvan and Shen haven't seen a skin in a long while. Additionally, the promise of just one skin for each of these champions within the next few months doesn't really make up for how long certain characters have gone without any skins (Yorick hasn't gotten a single skin since his release about five or six years ago).

It's just frustrating seeing other champions get cool and flashy skins all the time while your champion gets nothing for months if not years on end. That doesn't justify attacks on people's favorite champs to be sure, but I think when people complain it's mostly due to feeling like they're being treated unfairly, rather than them wanting you to feel bad because your popular champ got another skin or something.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

Shen got his VGU tho.

Valor Bot9 votes

Which means he's been eligible for a new skin for quite a while now, yeah (unless there's something I'm missing?)

NineTailedMystic7 votes

"More high budget"? Ahri never had a skin above 975 until Arcade.

KuroCaliber8 votes

Ok, but do you want a skin of 750 quality like Annie and teemo, just to have a high number, or good quality skins that make you want to have every one.

Sinlaire45 votes

obviously people want the second one, but it's also obvious you didnt even read the list in his link before typing that question out.

Riot has stated that on average it takes about 6 months to make a skin and about a year to make an Ultimate skin.

Yorick hasn't gotten a new skin in SIX YEARS. meaning they could have made him ANY type of skin TWELVE TIMES OVER by this point. and there is over 20 champions on this list that havent gotten a skin in over 2 years and 6 that havent gotten one in atleast 4. Ahri on the other hand averages a skin a year or less. She almost receives a skin so regularly that they almost start making her another one as soon as her most recent one is released.

The issue here isn't that Ahri keeps getting skins. The issue is that Riot says, "we aren't playing favorites. We just makes skins we think the community will like and don't make skins for the less popular champions because concepts for them are hard."

making skins for them is hard. are you telling me they can pump out Ahri skins like a chain smoker burns down cigarrettes but they can't make a single passable Yorick skin a single time in SIX F*CKING YEARS? At this point i would like to point out that League is breaching a 700 total realsed skins point. SEVEN HUNDRED. and in 6 years they can't conceptualize and execute a skin for yorick.

This is the core of the issue here. No one gives a damn if Ahri gets a skin. If it wasn't her it would be somebody else. the problem is that that somebody else ISN'T Yorick, or Swain, or any of those other champions.

If we were to look at the holding pattern of skin releases and say that 3 new skins come out ever 2 weeks, and it takes 6 months to make a skin, then that means at any given time there are about 40+ skins in production full time at any given stage at any given time including the upcoming ultimate and failed skin concepts we don't see.

1/3 of the entire champion roster is in production for skins at any given moment, and Yorick hasn't gotten a skin in 6 years. Swain, Urgot, Shen, and Cass in 5. Urgot and Viktor in 4.

In spite of your statements, a high number of skins DO come out, and Riot has also shown about 70% of this last years releases have been 1350 quality or higher. Meaning there are HIGH QUALITY skins coming out in LARGE NUMBERS ANYWAYS. and still no skins for the forgotten.

The point isn't who got skins. the point is who hasn't when they clearly, clearly, clearly can.

Dragon Master4 votes

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obviously people want the second one, but it's also obvious you didnt even read the list in his link before typing that question out.

Riot has stated that on average it takes about 6 months to make a skin and about a year to make an Ultimate skin.

Yorick hasn't gotten a new skin in SIX YEARS. meaning they could have made him ANY type of skin TWELVE TIMES OVER by this point. and there is over 20 champions on this list that havent gotten a skin in over 2 years and 6 that havent gotten one in atleast 4. Ahri on the other hand averages a skin a year or less. She almost receives a skin so regularly that they almost start making her another one as soon as her most recent one is released.

The issue here isn't that Ahri keeps getting skins. The issue is that Riot says, "we aren't playing favorites. We just makes skins we think the community will like and don't make skins for the less popular champions because concepts for them are hard."

making skins for them is hard. are you telling me they can pump out Ahri skins like a chain smoker burns down cigarrettes but they can't make a single passable Yorick skin a single time in SIX F*CKING YEARS? At this point i would like to point out that League is breaching a 700 total realsed skins point. SEVEN HUNDRED. and in 6 years they can't conceptualize and execute a skin for yorick.

This is the core of the issue here. No one gives a damn if Ahri gets a skin. If it wasn't her it would be somebody else. the problem is that that somebody else ISN'T Yorick, or Swain, or any of those other champions.

If we were to look at the holding pattern of skin releases and say that 3 new skins come out ever 2 weeks, and it takes 6 months to make a skin, then that means at any given time there are about 40+ skins in production full time at any given stage at any given time including the upcoming ultimate and failed skin concepts we don't see.

1/3 of the entire champion roster is in production for skins at any given moment, and Yorick hasn't gotten a skin in 6 years. Swain, Urgot, Shen, and Cass in 5. Urgot and Viktor in 4.

In spite of your statements, a high number of skins DO come out, and Riot has also shown about 70% of this last years releases have been 1350 quality or higher. Meaning there are HIGH QUALITY skins coming out in LARGE NUMBERS ANYWAYS. and still no skins for the forgotten.

The point isn't who got skins. the point is who hasn't when they clearly, clearly, clearly can.

Take my upvote friend. Thank for explaining my exact thoughts.

KuroCaliber9 votes

Majority of those champs were slated for vgu and riot made it clear that they really did not want to double their workload before the vgu happened. I think the only people with a valid complaint are yorick, and Shen because they had an adequate amount of time pass after the vgu. Oh, and Cass too.

Dragon Master19 votes

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Majority of those champs were slated for vgu and riot made it clear that they really did not want to double their workload before the vgu happened. I think the only people with a valid complaint are yorick, and Shen because they had an adequate amount of time pass after the vgu. Oh, and Cass too.

Explain Kayle. Isn't she slated for a duo rework with Morgana? Why is she getting a 1350 skin?

KuroCaliber4 votes

As far as I'm aware? Her vgu is very small, more centered on gameplay than solving a thematic issue.

LostFr0st5 votes

Her update is slated to be decently large. Morgana is the one who is mostly just getting visual changes.

Morgana only getting updated because Kayle really needs an update both gameplay and visually.

rtbf2256182414 votes

Because it's so far off into the future it's irrelevant at the moment. I don't even think it's a full VGU because her E and R are fine at least.

DrCyanide8 votes

Because it's so far off into the future it's irrelevant at the moment.

That logic flies in the face of Urgot and Yorick not getting skins though, since their reworks were so many years down the line.

Canastus10 votes

Cass never received a VGU, she only received a TU back in 2014 and 2 reworks in total. And even then, reworks never stopped Riot from releasing new skins for Ryze, Kayle and Tryndamere (all champs who are inevitably awaiting further reworks). It's flatout bias and nothing else.

NinjaGuy6916 votes

Rather than taking that news happily, people instead get even more impatient.

I don't think it's fair to state that people who have been waiting for years for a skin for their favorite champion(s) are impatient. Their disappointment and resent is justified. No one likes having to wait in line for a meal only to have someone who was standing in front of them get back in line for a second serving and then cut in front of them....like 3 times over before they finally get to eat.

Nixtarma13 votes

While you have a point in criticizing people for impugning others' happiness, "skin-whiners" do have at least one legitimate point going for them, and that is the Skin Team's resources. Riot does have a finite amount of time and money to spend on developing skins, so in fact, time spent on "popular champion" skins is time not spent on "unpopular champion" skins.

I think the argument is rooted in some sense of fairness. The idea is that skins should, in a perfectly fair world, distributed evenly. It makes sense that older champions have more skins, that is not a really legitimate source of complaints so long as their frequency of new skins goes down proportionally with the release of new champions, and, for the most part, it has. It also makes sense if popular champions are favored to a degree, as it means more business, and more benignly, more passionate Riot artists, but ultimately, that sense of fairness is jeopardized when older champions are not served.

Now, to actually determine if those so-called problem champions are actually problematic, I would need to do some more numbers. A quick look put Lee Sin and Caitlyn in the same category as Ahri (released after 2010, seven or more skins).

Skorch9 votes

Another point to make but i dont know if you saw the article by theriftherald. But Riot stated that SG was their most popular skin line ever released. So of course they are gonna release more. Especially ones with fitting characters.

Nixtarma3 votes

I had not seen that article, but I readily believe it.

Envonyx11 votes

Bruh... When you see characters with decent skins and some alright skins and they have more than 5 fucking skins when your main only has 1, and has been released over a year, U KINDA GET SALTY. We dont mean to be rude but its aggravating. Personally to me, I love my main, hes fun, enjoyable. But there is nothing refreshing. I want to play him more, but I just feel like its finally becoming the same old thing. A skin, an Icon, a chroma, a fucking ward related to the character? ANYTHING WOULD SATISFY ME. Even a little Santa hat skin. I DONT CARE. I'm a sol main and I feel this way, other characters have waited for longer. Its just TILTING

Starboyˇ8 votes

Riot has a limited amount of money to design skins. If it is spent making an ahri skin every fucking year then it isn't going towards the champions that actually need some fucking skins. If a champion hasn't got a skin in 6 years, why should ahri get one after 10 months.

Winterkill7 votes

No. The problem is they promise us skins for said champions and they turn out to be shitty, hardly worked on skins or a shitty 750rp skin with nothing. Yet Jinx, Teemo, Ahri and more can get another 1350 or 1800rp skin and are part of an amazing skin line. People continue to be annoyed because of the favoritism and the same champions getting the same stuff every year.

Rozzeta6 votes

That's a pretty stupid argument. "they're going to have their excitement dampered" is completely irrelevant over the fact that the skin will be released anyway for them to purchase.

Granted not everyone fits every theme, but the fact that several champions hadn't had a single skin in years is a reason of concern. While you could argue this is because those champions are less popular, you could also say that Riot, by paying no mind to these champions, is tacitly telling the playerbase they should not focus their attention on those champions.

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