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I have some (lore) questions.

Tattersall··3 votes·706 views

It hadn't occurred to me until recently that I could just drop all of my questions here.

  1. How powerful are the Ascended compared to the Aspects of Targon, and what would the relationship between Targon and Shurima be like if they were aware of the power the other held?

  2. When Azir died, did he meet the Kindred?

  3. Is there any long-term (afterlife or something) difference between being "killed" by Lamb instead of Wolf or vice-versa?

  4. Why is the sun so significant? I mean, there's the Targonian Aspect of the sun, but Targonians might not even have the same sun as Runeterra. And then ascension is done with the power of the sun, but in the end, the sun is just another star created by Sol. So… yeah.

  5. I've been under the impression that the Kindred are seen differently by everyone, and the in-game depiction is just how Magga saw them. How would Aurelion Sol or other people see the Kindred?

  6. Will Riot ever complete a story line? For example, will a champion (Xerath, Lissandra, etc.) ever be permanently defeated, or even killed?

I know that most, if not all, of these questions would just have speculative answers, but hey, I'm still askin'.

15 Comments

GreenLore5 votes

About 6. Well one could argue that the storyline about the rivalry between graves and TF ended. Sure they are still up to other stuff,but that is pretty much their next chapter.

Skelenth4 votes

  1. I have a couple of theories about the Ascended and the Aspects which I posted a while ago in a "larger" thread. (Large for me, I will never reach those 10.000 word essays you see here sometimes)

  2. Probably, though I doubt he'd remember. Or he didn't meet them. Maybe because it 'wasn't his time to die', because he was fated to come back from the dead. Who knows.

  3. I doubt it.

  4. The sun is one star of many, but still a star. That's a giant supply of power there right over your head. Also it's the closest star to Runeterra, regarding ascension. You don't look for some extremely futuristic way to filter your solar cells, because you only want the light from Alpha Centauri or something, you take your suns power. It's just the most effective way to do it.

Can't tell for the last two

Tattersall1 votes

The Targonians are Ascended? Interesting. I'd never thought of that before.

Fasmodey3 votes

{quoted}

  1. I have a couple of theories about the Ascended and the Aspects which I posted a while ago in a "larger" thread. (Large for me, I will never reach those 10.000 word essays you see here sometimes)

  2. Probably, though I doubt he'd remember. Or he didn't meet them. Maybe because it 'wasn't his time to die', because he was fated to come back from the dead. Who knows.

  3. I doubt it.

  4. The sun is one star of many, but still a star. That's a giant supply of power there right over your head. Also it's the closest star to Runeterra, regarding ascension. You don't look for some extremely futuristic way to filter your solar cells, because you only want the light from Alpha Centauri or something, you take your suns power. It's just the most effective way to do it.

Can't tell for the last two

''will possess a portion of the Aspects power, but I think the Aspect will still be stronger.''

Diana was nearly getting killed by few void creatures and Leona had hard times against few rogues while Nasus is said he has power to fight with a mortal army as singlehanded. They're nowhere close to power of the Ascended with their mortal vessels.

Leona had hard times against rogues, Nasus cut 3 barbarians (which are tougher than rogues) to half with single hit. And they have possibility to be empowered by Xerath, they knew no fear.

There is no proof that says Aspects are users of Ascension ritual too. Riot calls them as different powerful entity group in their explanations.

Tattersall1 votes

Yeah, but Leona and Diana aren't the Aspects that he's talking about. Leona, Diana, and Taric just have a telepathic-like connection to the real Aspects, who are also the source of L, D, and T's power.
Meanwhile, Pantheon is just an Aspect's meat-suit.

Fasmodey2 votes

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Yeah, but Leona and Diana aren't the Aspects that he's talking about. Leona, Diana, and Taric just have a telepathic-like connection to the real Aspects, who are also the source of L, D, and T's power.
Meanwhile, Pantheon is just an Aspect's meat-suit.

No, they're not. But he is saying ''Aspects have possibility to lose power when they're merged with vessel, but even this power loss wouldn't stop them to be stronger than an Ascended.'' I know Aspects are the totally different entities who are merged with human vessels, but he is talking about power of this combination. So, if this combination was in the edge of death against few void creatures, how can they be stronger than Nasus? And I don't think they would merge with humans if they're so strong without them. And all of them combined are clearly weaker than Aurelion Sol because of their huge fear.

I'm %90 sure Ascended are more powerful than Aspects.

Tattersall1 votes

I get what you're saying, and I agree with a lot of it, but this:

I don't think they would merge with humans if they're so strong without them

They only merge with humans so that they can keep tabs on that area. I don't think they do it for increased power. There are presumably far more Aspects than the ones merged with Leona, Diana, Taric, and Pantheon, but it's possible that they're merged with someone on another planet entirely. The Targonians are a star-faring empire, after all.

all of them combined are clearly weaker than Aurelion Sol because of their huge fear.

Honestly, as long as Bard and Kindred's true power are unknown, Aurelion Sol is the most powerful being in the lore right now. He creates flippin' stars for crying out loud. If he wasn't being controlled by Targon, he could obliterate Runeterra without even really trying. He's so powerful that it's unrealistic that the Targonians were able to create a device to control him.

That's just my take on it tho.

Fasmodey2 votes

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I get what you're saying, and I agree with a lot of it, but this:

They only merge with humans so that they can keep tabs on that area. I don't think they do it for increased power. There are presumably far more Aspects than the ones merged with Leona, Diana, Taric, and Pantheon, but it's possible that they're merged with someone on another planet entirely. The Targonians are a star-faring empire, after all.

Honestly, as long as Bard and Kindred's true power are unknown, Aurelion Sol is the most powerful being in the lore right now. He creates flippin' stars for crying out loud. If he wasn't being controlled by Targon, he could obliterate Runeterra without even really trying. He's so powerful that it's unrealistic that the Targonians were able to create a device to control him.

That's just my take on it tho.

We actually don't know the real power of Aurelion Sol either. We only know he can create stars and destroy. That's it. We don't know if it takes years to create a fully developed star or not, we only know he creates them. I'm pretty sure they're other entities that can destroy Runeterra too. Destroying Runeterra is not a big deal though, it is a fragile planet that exists in a universe that spills over with demigods until if Runeterra is protected by immense magic.

Tattersall1 votes

Yeeaaahhh… I guess that's true.

I just consider Bard, Sol, and Kindred to be the three most powerful champions at the moment.

Skelenth3 votes

The Aspects hosts are just a way for the real aspects to interact with Runeterra. As we can assume from Pantheons new lore, Targon (the golden city atop the mountain) is in a different/pocket dimension or another part of the universe which is in some way connected to the mountain. They don't want to leave their sweet and cozy homes so they created the mental link to the hosts. It's a means of self-protection. Also humans are possibly the best they can get on Runeterra.

The Aspects don't have to give the vast amounts of power they have to the host, because this either is unnecessary for their main purpose or could harm the host in some way. Xerath lost his physical form because he took too much power from the Ascension ritual. At least that's how I think it is.

Fasmodey2 votes

{quoted}

The Aspects hosts are just a way for the real aspects to interact with Runeterra. As we can assume from Pantheons new lore, Targon (the golden city atop the mountain) is in a different/pocket dimension or another part of the universe which is in some way connected to the mountain. They don't want to leave their sweet and cozy homes so they created the mental link to the hosts. It's a means of self-protection. Also humans are possibly the best they can get on Runeterra.

The Aspects don't have to give the vast amounts of power they have to the host, because this either is unnecessary for their main purpose or could harm the host in some way. Xerath lost his physical form because he took too much power from the Ascension ritual. At least that's how I think it is.

Even if they don't give all of their power to vessel, merged Aspects are too weak. It doesn't matter how much power they give, an Aspect shouldn't have hard times against human rogues. Look at what Pantheon did, he probably gets the all control and give much more power to his vessel, so he has no problem to deal with humans, but even he is pretty fragile that he can get killed by accidently. I know I know, it is human body, pretty normal to be fragile, but can't they empower the resistance of their bodies?

Sharjo3 votes

  1. We dunno; the two have never been shown fighting in such a manner as to be comparable.

  2. Presumably yes because everyone meets Kindred.

  3. Kindred represents how one approaches death and dying itself, and given their own word I don't think they care much for what comes after death, so it's likely there's no difference as to what comes after unless the afterlife you're specifically going to is different.

  4. Aurelion Sol imbues a piece of himself in to every star he makes, so there's far more going on there than you may assume.

  5. Kindred's interpretation as Lamb and Wolf is very Runeterran in origin, so how beings like Aurelion Sol and Bard see Kindred's up for debate, but they probably see them in their own ways.

  6. Dunno, that's up to Riot and whether they think it's a good idea.

Tattersall1 votes

Your answer to 5 just made me think of this.

Kindred's interpretation as Lamb and Wolf is very Runeterran in origin

On Runeterra (or at least, Valoran), the first time the Kindred were depicted were as the masks of Lamb and Wolf. But what were they before Lamb and Wolf? A pale man with dark hair. Maybe that's how godlike beings like Sol and Bard would see Kindred… maybe. Geez, I'm getting a little too excited at that thought.

Valaran Nara1 votes

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Your answer to 5 just made me think of this.

On Runeterra (or at least, Valoran), the first time the Kindred were depicted were as the masks of Lamb and Wolf. But what were they before Lamb and Wolf? A pale man with dark hair. Maybe that's how godlike beings like Sol and Bard would see Kindred… maybe. Geez, I'm getting a little too excited at that thought.

The way I go about questions like 5 is me asking this question: "What does teh Grim Reaper look like?"

We can theorize and say, "HEY! Kindred is a real entity or being!" Or we can say they're just a personification of a natural phenomena and Humanity's way of visualizing it. I see the color text of Wolf and Kindred out hunting as nothing more than just a random story of how death might act upon a battlefield.

Also, with the League of Legends no longer being a league of legendary people fighting in a coliseum like arena, entities who don't actually exist (but are figures in folklore and fairytales) may now appear.

TL;DR, I like to imagine that Kindred doesn't actually exist and is just a folktale myth like our "Grim Reaper."

Fasmodey1 votes

You look like my fake account lel, those are questions that I would ask.

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