Seems like Fiora may indeed be lesbian BTW

Velzard of Koz··18 votes·6,736 views

In Swain's VO, he wonders how Fiora's suitors that she always declined never saw why.

Of course, this can as well mean she has nasty disease or is a man in disguise, but I think it was just a small pointing towards her sexuality. When the Varus Apocalypse came, many people wondered why, If Riot wanted sexually non-standard character, they didn't choose "obvious gay characters" such as Vi or Fiora.

So I thought this may be interesting for some. It's hinted, not confirmed, she won't likely recieve any lore update so it's nothing enormous, but it's a little interesting note.

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redniwediS33 votes

That's one possibility. The other possibility, which is not mutually exclusive, is she does not want to give up her position as the head of her house, which would happen if she was to marry.

Demacia is highly structured, and going against the flow is a quick way to lose social standing. Her house is already on thin ice considering the actions of her father... Let's just say Fiora is in a very delicate situation.

Placentas9 votes

^^ Yeah I think this is a lot more likely.

Not opposed to Lesbian Fiora but yeah.

Star Guardían2 votes

Why would she have to give up her position if she married, does it mention in the lore? Is Demacia patriarchal?

Nintendo 3DS2 votes

Not Demacia as a whole (though it is hinted) but House Laurent did try to force her into being only "someone else's wife". She refused it but it could have been her future.

However since now she is the head of her house, couldn't she just abolish family traditions ? Her whole position is really complicated though.

Star Guardían3 votes

Nah, the quote that Redniwedis just linked shows that Demacia as a whole is patriarchal.

redniwediS2 votes

At least the nobility is, we haven't heard anything about the lower classes.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

It's not a stretch to imagine they feel something similar, considering how they're about unity.

Ralanr1 votes

And how lower classes tend to take some trends from the higher class.

redniwediS10 votes

Yep, Demacia is patriarchal.

Some still speak of her House's disgrace or decry how standards have fallen that a woman should dare call herself ruler of a noble House, but only in private. For when such gossip reaches Fiora's ear, she is quick to call out those rumormongers and demand justice on the edge of a sword.

This is from Fiora's bio.

revliledpembroke2 votes

It's a roughly Medieval society, mostly drawn from our own history. OF COURSE IT IS!

The other nations or places like the Freljord or Targon have a long history of needing strength in whatever form it could be found. Noxus has that whole "might makes right" thing (and with the old lore, magic and certainly cleverness was included under a form of... "intellectual might," you might say), the Freljord had three legendary female rulers who led a revolt and then split the tribes between (sort of), Yordles... uh, no idea, and Targon has had women chosen to be "Aspects" at about as often as men (the current split is actually 3 to 2 in favor of women, if Taric is an Aspect... I've forgotten at this late hour).

That leaves Bilgewater.... female pirates able to terrorize just as well as the men? More prevalent firearms proved that old saying "God created man, but Sam Colt made them equal"? Their own, mini-version of Noxus society, they are just too independent to follow one ruler for too long?

Star Guardían1 votes

It's a roughly Medieval society, mostly drawn from our own history. OF COURSE IT IS!

That's the assumption I made, but I wanted support from canon lore before I considered the plausibility of RedniwediS' explanation. Which he thankfully linked me.

Having said that, despite Demacia being patriarchal, women are still treated more equally than in Earth's medieval societies. For instance, women can achieve high positions in military. Ex) One of Garen's elite crew is a woman. This, along with the excerpt RednwediS linked me, leads me to believe that Demacia is where the we (Norther Americans) were in the 1960s - 80s in terms of gender equality. What I mean by this is that, women are still clearly treated worse than men, but it's still possible for extraordinary women to overcome this adversity.

revliledpembroke1 votes

Queen Elizabeth I and her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots, Joan of Arc, Queen Victoria, Sacagawea, Pocahontas, Cleopatra, Hatshepsut, any of the female pirates, any of the women who pretended to be men to become soldiers, Athena, Kali, Isis. Women from all periods of history (and a couple mythological) who were just as powerful (if not more than) any of the boys.

Ancient Greece had the story of the a nation of women who wanted to change a certain law and refused to sleep with all of their husbands until it was changed (it was changed pretty quick).

I very much doubt that "women" as a whole were as powerless as some people make them out to be, even if the laws of the time specifically forbade them from certain things, there are always ways around laws. If nothing else, they could badger their husbands to do something until he agreed to it. If it works nowadays, I don't see why it wouldn't work 500 years ago.

Deep Terror Nami23 votes

Or maybe she's just interested in fighting/improving and not men. Very common plot device.

ModKnightsKemplar10 votes

The way swain says that line, though, does kind of imply that it's an actual secret, not just an obvious part of her personality. I think she could easily explain it away non-secretly if she was just more interested in fighting. Seems like they are actively trying to insinuate something else.

I dunno, we could be wrong. But I thought the same thing when I heard it, and I hadn't even seen fan theories about Fio's sexuality.

Warlord Dienekes9 votes

Well, one of the potential inspirations for Fiora was famously bisexual. Make of that what you will.

Johnny El Rojo4 votes

Now is when I have to ask: what inspiration?

Warlord Dienekes8 votes

La Maupin, of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_d%27Aubigny

Famous French female duelist, opera singer, trouble maker, and lover.

AmazoX7 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] Interesting but maybe she does not want to give up her position as the head of her house.

Valaran Nara2 votes

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[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] Interesting but maybe she does not want to give up her position as the head of her house.

Honestly, that right there is also blaringly obvious to the point that if the suitors kept coming, that would be any rational person's thoughts if they know anything about her. Why would she marry someone if she would no longer be head of the house? Especially due to her determination to make it better. Marrying would just give a new face and make her appear more worthless than what she already does purely for being female.

Yordle Xayah7 votes

She's probably two girls that fused after a war and they got killed or something.....

Master Noct6 votes

Considering she has a ruler that works as a sword, I really wouldn't fuck with her otherwise.

AmazoX2 votes

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Considering she has a ruler that works as a sword, I really wouldn't fuck with her otherwise.

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Illâoi Evê Siôn6 votes

Another possibility is that she's already taken.

reaperteaser2 votes

honestly i thought she was promised to jax. she said she would only marry the man whi could beat her in a duel and jax is the only one that ever beat her.

Arakadia2 votes

We don't know that Jax beat her.

Jerry SeinfeId5 votes

If Riot wanted sexually non-standard character, they didn't choose "obvious gay characters" such as Vi or Fiora.

Wait what? Vi i can see cuz she's pretty tomboyish but flora? She's far from the first champ i could see begin gay.

Vi sure, taric Sure, Leona/Diana i wish, vlad sure hell i'd even say ezreal before fiora and i'm pretty sure that beyond the meme he isn't.

Also wouldn't she just turn down those she doesn't find worthy in a duel or some shit? Mby she can try a piece of the champJax

HalcyonDweller3 votes

What you *think* should or should not be gay is irrelevant. People who are gay can be exactly like people who are hetero in pretty much every way except for their romantic/sexual orientation.

Go watch the Key and Peele skit called "Office Homophobe" you will see what I mean. Plus it's a funny skit. I'd link it but it's really not boards appropriate. Just look it up on youtube.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

You’ll find that many do not understand this basic fact

HalcyonDweller1 votes

There is no need for us to act superior simply because we understand something about people who are gay that other people do not understand.

It is better to simply share what we know and hope that ignorance gets reduced with time. Looking down on people will only make them less likely to listen.

tldr; basic to us is mental gymnastics for some people. You have to give them time to figure it out before you bash them for it.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

I like to think I haven’t really discussed the issue with anyone who’s open to new ideas. So far I’ve only really engaged with one specific type of entrenched idiot.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Engaging with people in a manner that clearly indicates to them that you think they are stupid is just as good at entrenching them in their ideas as the initial ignorance that gave them those ideas in the first place.

One sec I'm finding a link. Edit, link is going to take longer to find, I'll post a fresh reply with it for you when I find it.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

That’s great, and I’m glad you’ve managed to remain optimistic in the ability for fellow man to change his ways. I think the people more likely to be swayed are the ones who haven’t made their minds up yet, these may be the people just simply reading, never discussing themselves.

Oftentimes you’ll see people who are “just asking questions” when what they’re really doing is making thinly veiled racial statements and claiming ignorance on their part. They will then often claim that in fact they are the real victims.

The real victims here are lgbt people who already have it rough in real life. I don’t care much if I offend the feelings of Internet homophobes uncomfortable with their favorite pastime moving beyond them. The same stuff happens in comics as well.

If Riot as a company produced poor-quality stories, and I felt that they wouldn’t be able to handle an LGBT character well, I wouldn’t be arguing the position I am. I also wouldn’t be remotely as interested in the lore.

That being said, I think Riot handles stories well and they can make complex characters with interesting motivations and room for development.

Finally, I refuse to treat homophobia as a logical, rational viewpoint. Bigotry is never founded in ethical intellectualism. Bigotry stems from pseudo-science and fear-mongering. That group of people relies heavily on dishonestly changing the frames of debate. They are stupid people, with hateful views, who should get off the internet and earnestly reflect on their beliefs. They won’t. They have no reason to change their views.

I’d rather the LoLboards not become another festering pit of Internet-chauvinism.

GenoXx1 votes

Who continuously attacks who now?

HalcyonDweller2 votes

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Who continuously attacks who now?

Dude this discussion chain has nothing to do with you, don't hijack it for your personal grudge with the other person.

Ralanr2 votes

A homosexual friend once told me that the term is called “straight acting” for homosexual people who portray themselves in a more “heterosexual” way than “homosexual” way.

Frankly the term pissed me off. Acting implies that you’re faking it. If you’re a homosexual dude that likes stereotypical dude stuff like guns, monster trucks, or grilling at a BBQ (god these examples are stupid) then you’re not acting straight. You’re just a guy who likes that stuff.

Idk, maybe I’m just annoyed that the sexuality spectrum has stereotypes for how each sexuality should act.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

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Idk, maybe I’m just annoyed that the sexuality spectrum has stereotypes for how each sexuality should act.

I think I agree with you on this. People are people, their hobbies and their sexuality are separate aspects of their character, the two don't automatically have to follow visible trends or stereotypes.

Stars Shaper4 votes
zlumpy4 votes

She could also just not be into relationships at all. That is still an option.

Mega Gear Solid4 votes

well until said other wise fiora's sexuality is not homosexual geez. you guys just looking for all these things that aren't even important or relevant to the game.

Arakadia8 votes

Except her being lesbian would be core to her lore and a big part of why she won't marry anyone.

GenoXx2 votes

If they change her for the sake of representation too, I'm gonna drop her as one of my favorite characters. I hope Riot don't. It may fit but mainly it's because she doesn't want a man taking control of her family. They are nobles after all and I'm sure it's mroe related to how women are treated in Demacia instead of sexual preference.

I mean they tried to force a marriage on her after all.

Arakadia7 votes

Why would you drop one of your favorite characters just because they are homosexual?

Besides, heterosexual relationships get plenty of representation. Romantic relationships can be more relatable and enjoyable when they are of the same sexuality as the reader. It's not like there is a lack of heterosexual relationships nor small details that aren't key to the story but confirm a character as heterosexual.

GenoXx2 votes

Because changing a character just for change or because that can fit honestly ruins a character to me. If it wasn't established before or even hinted don just drop that in their traits. I really don't have a problem with homosexuality, but Fiora turned down men because she did not want to lose control of her family. They change that and it's all just cliche and and will be for the sake of representation.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO4 votes

Change for the sake of change is one of the core elements of League of Legends.

GenoXx2 votes

A comment only someone who wants LGBT represent to shine in League would say. I haven't forgotten our little discussion.Which is why you responded to me. You probably don't care much for lore.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO6 votes

You mean someone who wants to see his favorite game have a lore that people from all over the world of all types can relate to?

I’m responding to you because it’s ridiculous how the reactionaries in league of legends accuse anyone who likes change/representation of not caring about the lore. If I didn’t care about the lore I wouldn’t be wasting my time with bigoted idiots like you who learned to hide their homophobia underneath the veneer of “neutrality”

GenoXx1 votes

"homophomic" is like the only insult people can think of. I don't see how changing a champion to someone else for the sake of fan service is better. Fiora being changed into a lesbian means her whole facade is just cuz she wants a woman. Not refusing to let society shape her life.

You see how stupid that would be?

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO3 votes

Why does Fiora’s sexuality have to define every portion of her character? Can she not want to give up sovereignty of her household while also happening to have a differing sexuality?

I’m calling you homophobic because in our last “discussion” you told me that homosexuality was fundamentally immoral, which is something that homophobes say.

GenoXx2 votes

That's actually something A reasonable person would say who isn't biased to either side. Calling me homophobe because you're angry/upset is only a resort.

And yes, it would. Because these suitors are all men. Most of them are probably arrogant nobles and would love to have more power in their hand by adding house laurent to their family. Fiora can see that and judging what she wen't through as a kid(always expected to do girl things expected from demacians) of course she would have that mindest.

However, if they choose to make her a lesbian, that's all out the window. Now it's just because she wants a woman....."Jus Cuz lol" Seeing how Gender is a big issue in Demacian even for Lux that defines a large part of her character not all of it.

And fans like you just wanting to make her gay because you biased only makes that worse. That makes it look like "I really don't care what they do, just make sure she's gay.OK!"

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO3 votes

So you’re operating of the belief that Riot is unable to create a character with nuance while also making her lesbian. I’ll say that I disagree entirely. I firmly believe that if they chose to explore it, they could very much develop her as a character while also being a lesbian.

Besides, Demacia exists in a medieval-renaissance weird state full of random anomalies. I doubt such defined labels as Lesbian or Gay would even exist. You can even argue that sexual openness is one of the defining features of that period of time. There have been English Kong’s known to “know the company” of both men and women.

I believe that Riot can make fiora into a character who spurs social change in Demacia. Fiora’s sexuality is ultimately unimportant in this respect. She could even be bisexual as Warlord hunted.

It’s interesting that you’re continuing to attack fans who are fine with the idea of a lesbian fiora as people fanatically pushing for some sort of ideology. This is (largely) not the case. While there are a few lobbying for a more aggressive inclusion of minorities in LoL, I like to think that most people will be able to accept the sexuality of their favorite characters being revealed as non-conforming.

Personally, I think that if Riot were to confirm Fiora’s sexual non-conformity then we as fans will get to see how that subject gets explored in the society of Demacia. We may get a glimpse at Demacian religion/spirituality.

If they decide to confirm that she is strictly hetero (which I doubt they’d do for anyone) I can’t say I wouldn’t be saddened. Ultimately the story’s integrity wouldn’t be relying on her sexuality anyhow.

Riot has shown that they can create multi-faceted, complex characters with interesting motivations and room for development. They wouldn’t throw all of that out of the window to turn Fiora into the SJW boogeyman that so many apparently fear.

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