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What Would You Do with Older Champs?

AtroposWraith·9/16/2015, 12:53:42 PM·3 votes·1,213 views

Hey everyone, this was something that recently came to mind out of nowhere, and I was wondering. If you could improve any of the older champs, how would you? New dialogue? Ability changes? etc. This isn't a complaint board, more so just a board to share ideas on how older champs could be improved if Riot for whatever reason decided to (but with the lore rewrite I've been hearing about due to the newfound absence of Summoners, this is likely). Examples I would give would be , , , and .

I'm gonna be honest here, I'm an Ahri main, but not for the reason you'd expect. I came around to gaining Ahri when my friend gifted me her, and I began practicing with her. At first I didn't really care for the "Ms. Fanservice" persona she has a bit of in-game, even though I understand where it comes from, conceptually. But then I decided to start reading into the old lores, and I came across Ahri. She's a former monster seeking to become human, and also to atone for deaths she caused leading up to the point she gained human conscience. I was thinking, if Riot chose to rework her (personality-wise), how could they better represent this backstory with her in-game character? Any ideas there?

As for Kayle, Kennen, and Alistar. They're examples of champions who could have a lot of cool stuff going on, but their in-game dialogue and such can't express this, due to the fact that the game sorta continued developing and left these guys behind.

With new champs like Kindred out, I can tell for a fact that if Riot wanted, they could probably easily transform these characters into ones with fully fleshed out personalities. Any ideas on where this could all go? I would be really interested in seeing changes to these guys to represent their lores a bit better, but if Riot doesn't change, I'm not going to be broken up about it or anything. This is just a thread to share ideas on how older characters can be improved personality wise. Sorry if it sounds like a complaint board, I was more making observations than anything.

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Lost R9/16/2015, 4:47:41 PM3 votes

Aside from kit reworks (which will come to those who deserve it) and visual upgrades (which will also and currently is coming to those who deserve it), I also want voice updates for the people whose VUs have come and gone yet still retain their old voice lines, like Fiora, Alistar, Singed, Morgana, and Sona (to a degree. I know she's a mute and all). Of course, this will cost Riot the most amount of money, since they need to hire voice actors to speak the lines, so if and when this happens is unclear.

Morgana's current lines are about revenge when her initial lore was never about revenge, nor did it imply it. Her jokes and taunt suck, too. Most of the older champions suffer from the same issue, mostly because they have about nine lines total, and these things were from before Riot was actually putting serious effort into their characters. Their quotes are most of our insight into the character; it doesn't mean anything from a gameplay perspective, but it enriches the character. It's a very speculative investment for Riot to make because of that. If they put out a new skin, for example, they have a guaranteed chance to make money from it because there are going to be buyers out there. A voice update doesn't guarantee buyers as much as a new skin or visual update. You're basically only doing it for the sake of enriching a character; basically doing it for the art, except it costs money to hire the talent.

GreenLore9/16/2015, 2:22:31 PM2 votes

Ok lets do this: Aatrox His kit should bring something to a teamfight.I mean yeah they would need to nerf some aspects,but in the end it would fit his lore much better.Aatrox should be a champ you fear in teamfights,not in 1v1.

Ahri i agree that she needs to also convey the redemption part of her character as well

Blitzcrank I think some power should be removed from his grab.I mean his grab is iconic and should remain,but currently he boils down to "instakill grab or almost useless compared to others"put some power into other abilities,but allow more counterplay for when you got grabbed.(grab should remain a big threat though)

Cassiopeia shift some power from her twinfang to her poison,with her passive making her poison stronger after a certain point,thus twin fang could be strong early on,but later on she'd be focused on her poison(after all the bite comes before the poison)

DrMundo & Singed their ults should definetly get some better effects,like letting them grow in muscle mass,having large pulsating veins,etc.

Evelynn Should be designed to be more of a succubus as she currently lacks much in terms of archetype(would be against making her a vampire,since vampires could do more)

Gragas What if he would become more and more drunk throughout the game?Could be just a VO-related thing,but maybe something that also affects his abilities?

Irelia Her kit should focus more on her levitating blades.I mean she has flying blades yet her kit consists of basic melee moves that pretty much everyone else could use.

Jax he should be able to switch out his lantern for other joke weapons with jokes/taunts,this would be purely cosmetical.

Kennen should focus a lot more on electricity,I mean he is pretty much THE electro champ of the game and his design should reflect that.

Leblanc should be able to turn into her allied champions(at least take on their appearance and all),you know like the trickster glass from the black market

Malphite His Q should be a bunch of rock spikes shooting from the ground,that rock wheel just looks out of place(also he needs to be bigger).Lorewise he could be an elemtal similar to brand(but without posessing the body)

Mordekaiser give him more metal effects,imagine his E shooting iron blades from the ground,his Q creating large spikes from his mace and his ult consisting of iron rods being rammed into the enemy,ultimately enceasing them in an iron maiden.

Rammus keep his VO small,but add unique taunts(for his E) for every other champion(maybe a few generic taunt lines for future ones)

Shyvana her dragon form should have arms.

Taric He should use different gems for his different abilities

SchaakaKon9/16/2015, 1:59:02 PM2 votes

Aside from Gangplank, all the reworks have been really good, imo.

Seeing how Yorick is third in line, after Taric and Poppy, to receive an update my prediction is that next Halloween were going to see a large Shadow Isles event. SI and the Void needs a lore update the most being that they just dont seem to be on anyones radar in Runeterra for being possible global threats.

Id rather see the Void go back to the Lovecraftian roots before Kha, Rek and Vel came out.

As for Alistar, i think if we get another minotaur champion (weilding a badass axe) who shows us that the minotaurs reguard Alistar with disrespect because he was captured by Noxus and that after he frees himself from Noxus, Alistar cannot go back home so he travels and protects that slave girl that also became free with him.

As for Kayle/Morgana, currently they are angel/demons from another world, perhaps they become Darkin or maybe powerful mages from Demacia/Noxus, who knows?

Big Lincoln9/17/2015, 12:12:09 AM1 votes

Aatrox I want to make him the teamfight Juggernaut. Make him focused around being a center of attention; with strong auras and noticeable sustained damage at the cost of (I would say) mobility, and maybe less traditional crowd control. Something like old Sion's lifesteal ult, with his Q being replaced with some sort of poke or burst move, his W being shifted into a ramping heal/damage boost at the cost of the other; or, make it an active similar to Mordekaiser's Q, but that'd be a little repetitive. Focus his power less out of 1v1 duels and into being a huge presence in teamfights. My only issue is trying to keep him as the "lifestealing team-healer" without making him one big stat stick. New passive, too; I think the revive is a huge limiting factor to something more interesting for his kit.

Alistar Needs a full VU, in my opinion. I don't think the current one looks all too good; give him a new voice, new animations, the works.

Kennen Anivia Amumu Corki Veigar Nocturne Irelia Olaf obvious candidates, in my opinion, for VUs and maybe some kit tweaks.

I actually love Urgot 's visuals and voice, I just think he needs a new kit.

I think Evelynn Yorick Warwick Volibear need both visual and gameplay updates

Ralanr9/17/2015, 4:47:10 AM1 votes

Pantheon . I really want him to get a VU, a possible rework and he needs new lore for Mt.Targon.

Personally I'd like to see them pull him away from 300 expy. Not extremely, but it's a chance to make him more unique in both character design and personality.

I just hope they don't make him a dick. He had noble goals with the institute, to make sure his tribe wouldn't be forgotten to the world and fall apart for lack of work. I'd like him to stay noble, we have enough warriors that want war and battle, bringing bloodshed and carnage as they lose themselves.

Pantheon is a soldier. He does not submit to the bloodlust of war. That's what I hope for.

That and having Steve Blum for his VU.

SavageNinja139/14/2016, 11:29:54 PM1 votes

I can see many of them getting dialogue updates too, like Sona Kayle and Shyvana too. In terms of kits, I think Singed could be updated too. Since Riot's been fixing a lot of the champions already, they've fixed a lot of them I would've put before. But I mostly agree with the idea of more lore-fitting dialogue for the most part.

Decrit9/16/2015, 5:13:19 PM1 votes

To put it simple and low scope ( else we kno we end up saying always stuff like graphical update and gameplay)?

Redo their lore, if they are not up to date. Just updating it, not reinventing it from zero.

Like Jax: what Institute of War?

Sharjo9/16/2015, 6:42:37 PM1 votes

Ok, time to go hard in the paint. Here goes!

Aatrox : I'd rework his kit around being a team fighter more than a 1v1 master. I feel like Aatrox could occupy the space of a "Demon Commander" so to speak in terms of his in game role (I know he's a Darkin not a demon chill guys), as someone who inspires and empowers allies as he fights along side them. I feel like it's overall a different take on the aura master idea Sona has going for her, but other avenues could be explored.

Velkoz : Bet you weren't expecting such a recent champion here! But regardless there's one major thing I'd change about Vel'Koz - make his kit more "Consume and Learn". I always thought the idea behind Cassiopeia's reworked passive would have been great on Vel'Koz, synergizing with his Organic Destruction stacks.

Rammus : I'd love to give Rammus a full VU, and give a bit of expansion to his VO. Nothing so drastic as full lines but something that could hint to what lies in this Armadillo's mind. Also a bit of visual differentiation so he's not just a Bowser wannabe with that armour of his.

Jax Nunu DrMundo : These three I'd wanna see full VU's given to sooner rather than later. These are guys I don't see being talked about much in terms of who needs VUs but I feel like they're right up there.

Malphite : Two things - make him a literal mountain and visually differentiate him from Maokai . They're so bloody similar in terms of silhouette I feel like it's a disservice to them both.