To be perfectly honest, complaining about his powerlevel is like complaining about thanos or the living tribunal, or the spectre or galactus or whatever high tier being in comics or fiction.
Lore =/= Gameplay
And as for him fighting other champions in lore, maybe there's some specific ability or magic or item that panth and co use to take him down.
AlwaysByMySide6 votesTo be perfectly honest, complaining about his powerlevel is like complaining about thanos or the living tribunal, or the spectre or galactus or whatever high tier being in comics or fiction.
Lore =/= Gameplay
And as for him fighting other champions in lore, maybe there's some specific ability or magic or item that panth and co use to take him down.
It is entirely sensible to point out the poor writing in comic books.
Batman is only kept relevant in DC by poor writing. There is no reason for him to exist in a world with heroes like Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern. They could literally do more for Gotham in a day than he has done in his entire life.
Aurelion Sol is similar.
Also, what you're describing is a deus ex machina. It is very difficult to make a deus ex machina resolution satisfying to read or watch. If there were some artifact that let Pantheon take down Aurelion Sol, anyone else using that artifact could easily conquer all of Runeterra and smash every foe they might have with contemptuous ease.
Xsoteric Ronin 3 votes[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-03-06T10:41:08.016+0000)
It is entirely sensible to point out the poor writing in comic books.
Batman is only kept relevant in DC by poor writing. There is no reason for him to exist in a world with heroes like Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern. They could literally do more for Gotham in a day than he has done in his entire life.
Aurelion Sol is similar.
Also, what you're describing is a deus ex machina. It is very difficult to make a deus ex machina resolution satisfying to read or watch. If there were some artifact that let Pantheon take down Aurelion Sol, anyone else using that artifact could easily conquer all of Runeterra and smash every foe they might have with contemptuous ease.
All of runeterra? Your reaching horribly and basing the statement off of THE CHAMPIONS you've seen.
Not sure what point your trying to make with the bat man comment . What, sols existence suddenly invalidates the reason for other champions existing lore wise?
AlwaysByMySide4 votesAll of runeterra? Your reaching horribly and basing the statement off of THE CHAMPIONS you've seen.
Not sure what point your trying to make with the bat man comment . What, sols existence suddenly invalidates the reason for other champions existing lore wise?
He can apparently create and destroy stars, and is the size of a constellation.
Runeterra is a single planet. Any artifact which would allow them to defeat a star creating cosmic badass would allow them to easily destroy every enemy nation on Runeterra at the same time.
Essentially, yeah. Aurelion Sol is showing himself to be a proactive character, rather unlike Bard. There can be no struggle or tension in any story for him; he'd just easily destroy any and all opposition.
Xsoteric Ronin 2 votes[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T20:02:16.106+0000)
He can apparently create and destroy stars, and is the size of a constellation.
Runeterra is a single planet. Any artifact which would allow them to defeat a star creating cosmic badass would allow them to easily destroy every enemy nation on Runeterra at the same time.
Essentially, yeah. Aurelion Sol is showing himself to be a proactive character, rather unlike Bard. There can be no struggle or tension in any story for him; he'd just easily destroy any and all opposition.
He can apparently create and destroy stars, and is the size of a constellation.
Size of a constellation? It looked to me as if he was appearing in some ethereal cosmic form during the cinematic. We have no clue as to his size.
Runeterra is a single planet. Any artifact which would allow them to defeat a star creating cosmic badass would allow them to easily destroy every enemy nation on Runeterra at the same time.
The artifact part was only one of my examples
What if the artifact was specifically geared towards hurting him?
More assumptions. For all we know, some other super powerful character could be living on runeterra. Riots shown us champions so far, they haven't shown every being that inhabits runeterra lol
Not really. His attitude seems to be more like an arrogant god amused by the mortals that live on runeterra or something. Unless you have access to some super secret info that the rest of us don't. Again, why are we to assume he's the only being of astronomical power that lives near or on runeterra? NONE of us have a clue as to the story riot is creating when involving him, and I'm certain in the panel creating him they're were some nay-sayers as yourself that brought up similar points.
KrugLyfe1 votesNo batman could kill all of them stfu all of those heroes are garbage they aren't human anymore they wouldn't understand how to deal with it. They probably don't even know how to spell their own fucking names. Batman does batman is the ultimate hero and he always will be fuck off with these heroes who have powers.
HeresyUntoFedex1 votesLEAVE BATMY ALONE!
Vistha Kai6 votesLore =/= Gameplay
And this, my good sir, is why we aren't fine with it.
Fasmodey4 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-06T12:17:27.743+0000)
And this, my good sir, is why we aren't fine with it.
Talk about yourself.
Vistha Kai2 votesWhat is that even suppose to mean?
Fasmodey3 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T14:01:05.780+0000)
What is that even suppose to mean?
I'm fine with Lore =/= Gameplay. And I believe there are a lot people who think like me.
No lore can be %100 related with gameplay anyway.
Vistha Kai3 votesNo game can be %100 related with gameplay anyway.
O... kay?
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T14:35:56.339+0000)
O... kay?
lore*
Vistha Kai3 votesIf we exclude technical limitations, such as lower number of NPCs durning battles... Yes, lore can be fully related to the game and vice versa.
In case of this game a.k.a. League of Legends, not even the name is true to the lore.
Fasmodey2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T17:22:30.701+0000)
If we exclude technical limitations, such as lower number of NPCs durning battles... Yes, lore can be fully related to the game and vice versa.
In case of this game a.k.a. League of Legends, not even the name is true to the lore.
Not even World of Warcraft can be fully related with lore, what are you talking about? Do you really think it's possible?
lol.
Vistha Kai1 votesNot even World of Warcraft
Because WoW is such a great exemplar.
Fasmodey2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T17:31:52.996+0000)
Because WoW is such a great exemplar.
Give me your best.
Vistha Kai1 votesOff the top of my head: Dragon's Age, Dragon's Dogma, Devil May Cry.
Unless we want to be limited to online games, then it gets considerably harder.
Fasmodey2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T18:12:33.831+0000)
Off the top of my head: Dragon's Age, Dragon's Dogma, Devil May Cry.
Unless we want to be limited to online games, then it gets considerably harder.
Singleplayer games can be related with lore easily, they can't be counted in this situation. Because you're the only one plays the story and have fun, if you want to make it fun for others too for multiplayer games, you have to sacrifice lore.
Vistha Kai2 votesSingleplayer games can be related with lore easily, they can't be counted in this situation.
While of course they can't be. Except they can, because you haven't specified single-player games are off-limits.
Which means I was right.
Fasmodey2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T18:37:46.975+0000)
While of course they can't be. Except they can, because you haven't specified single-player games are off-limits.
Which means I was right.
Seems like you didn't need specific marks, as I understand you got it before I say.
The Last Ballad1 votesHe means "Speak for yourself"
Vistha Kai1 votesIt suddenly makes sense.
Thank you.
Ethereal3115 votesIt nullifies the tension that smaller characters face. Yes it's bigger, but bigger does not mean better. It trivializes the tiny slice-of-life conflicts, so if Riot goes back to the smaller conflicts in detail (which they probably should) then they all appear so inconsequential compared to this BFD who destroys fucking stars. Surely there are more things than destructive power when it comes to characters after all.
The Last Ballad1 votesWho reads a slice of, lets say Void/
vs 
lore, but gives up halfway through because** another champion **is more powerful in lore? That makes no sense. Does reading a comic later in the series with more powerful villains make the previous ones enjoyable? No (unless you just read them and the story is still fresh in your mind). Did the introduction of 
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(I might of missed a few) ruin the lore part of the Burning Tides event? Because each and every one of them could certainly take down 
and 
with out exerting themselves to the fullest. It didn't for me, because the lore was between and . Not those other champions.
Ethereal3111 votesYour analogy makes little sense and is incredibly case reliant. Slice of life pertains to a farmer getting the better of a merchant, a small girl having a fun time with Bard (not like that you perverts) or just banter among friends. It does not pertain to two differing ideologies clashing in epic battle. How is Burning Tides, a story about terrorism causing anarchy on an uncooperative 'nation', even relevant to a fight between the Ascended where humanity itself is irrelevant to them besides who gets to rule over them? Burning Tides was also really bad when it came to establishing that the population mattered in the first place. The people who died were of no relevance to the plot besides maybe that guy who died in S&F and seemed important when it just came off as just oversentimental.
You do not give up a story half-way through because another thing is bigger, you give up half-way through because you've seen better. I sure as hell can tell you that from what I've seen passing for stories among Riot's Narrative.
LordGeovanni1 votesbet he wont have a 152 win streak in league
TNHA Baritone3 votesWhat the hell? People argue about that? XDDDD
The Last Ballad3 votesThey do, and let me just say. IT IS ANNOYING! Who cares if Alorion Sol is powerful, we don't even know why he is coming to Runeterra. And the day a 5 yearold can kill a near-godlike being was the day that lore no longer reflected gameplay...
Vistha Kai5 votesLore stopped affecting gameplay when Rito said they are too lazy to expand upon it.
Oh, I'm sorry. Their official stance is "it limited our writing possibilities".
GreenLore3 votesWell it is kinda undeniable that they got some new possibilities by writing out the league. I mean how else would people like Gangplank hide their existence from everyone if he was in the league in plain sight?
Vistha Kai4 votesThey got some new possibilities
None.
Well maybe one. To ruin the rest of the game and lore by adding omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient champions who can snap their fingers and destroy whole universe.
Hell yeah! New possibilities!
GreenLore4 votesThen you can please explain to me how they could make stories where a champions existence is a mystery before? Like why would Leona need to search for Diana,if she can contact her through the league without problems(as the champions were able to talk to each other during a game),or how Gangplank could hide that he has survived? How would you justify a champion like rek'sai being in the league without imprisoning her? How would you justify it that the league suddenly lets the shadow isles attack bilgewater,when they prohibited fights among the champions outside of the league?
Fasmodey1 votesThen you can please explain to me how they could make stories where a champions existence is a mystery before? Like why would Leona need to search for Diana,if she can contact her through the league without problems(as the champions were able to talk to each other during a game),or how Gangplank could hide that he has survived? How would you justify a champion like rek'sai being in the league without imprisoning her? How would you justify it that the league suddenly lets the shadow isles attack bilgewater,when they prohibited fights among the champions outside of the league?
League and Summoners were the reason why old lore was shit, and still people can support them.
Mate, Dota has much crazier heroes in its lore and they dont a give shit why they're fighting. Stop complaining. As we and riot said, Lore =/= Gameplay. It been like this for a long while.
Vistha Kai3 votesLeague and Summoners were the reason why old lore was shit, and still people can support them.
What's better: shit lore, but with actual events and continuity or lore either not existing else existing in vacuum?
Mate, Dota has much crazier heroes in its lore and they dont a give shit why they're fighting.
Is that an argument?
Stop complaining.
Only when, or rather if, you will stop white-knighting.
The Last Ballad3 votesLook at Shen's old lore. He was a ninja who was perfectly neutral (proved to be so by watching his father(who was the eye of twilight before him) be tortured without blinking. The same man that was killed by Zed, which was when Shen became the eye of twilight. Honestly Zed's and Shen's lore before Shen's rework was contradictory) Who, with his little group, kept balance in Ionia. And for some reason thought that would be easier in the league (and they never explained how he could teleport but his fellows couldn't. Wouldn't teleportation be more helpful on the messager of the group?).
Now he is a ninja who keeps balance between the human and spirit worlds while trying to be neutral(and struggling to do so). Which makes much more sense to me. And there is no conflict with Zeds lore (their personal conflict is still there, but their lore no longer states different things)
And I found the Burning Tides and the Harrowing events to be rather contentious. And it makes no sense that the League would allow the Shadow Isles and the crossed over void champions to continue living, when they want to destroy/convert everything. It would make more sense that if they could summon and control the leader of the Shadow Isles (and of all the black mist), they could just destroy him, along with the entire island. Why let an entire region suffer when you can stop it with the combined might of all the champions in your league?
Honestly the League cut down on the possibilities(and quality) of the stories they could tell. Who would want horrible stories, as long as each are interconnected? I would rather the stories reflect the vastness of the world by not having every champion know each other. It makes more sense. And what of those who wish to kill each other in revenge? After 10, 20 times of killing them you would think that their blood lust would abate. What would stop Lucian from snapping on an allied Thresh in middle of a match and attacking the specter who killed and endlessly tortured his wife? Why would Jarvan and Swain ever agree to fight on the same team? The League would of been filled with inconsistencies if it wasn't disbanded/obliterated from existence.
Vistha Kai1 votesI don't understand one thing.
How Shen and Zed's lores were contradictory?
Also the lore we had was an intro. You can't judge it the same way as the full stories we got recently. You can't possibly know how it would develop if Riot bothered to expand on it, instead of rewriting it completely.
GreenLore1 votesUhm I think you might have quoted the wrong person as I'm not complaining,I'm saying the complaining of Vistha Kai doesn't make sense....
Vistha Kai2 votesThen you can please explain to me how they could make stories where a champions existence is a mystery before?
Nobody is born a champion. Just because your friend told you about another guy whom you never met, does this mean that person straight up doesn't exist before you meet them?
Like why would Leona need to search for Diana,if she can contact her through the league without problems(as the champions were able to talk to each other during a game),or how Gangplank could hide that he has survived?
Good examples. Except you are theory-crafting while the fact is that back when Diana was released IoW was already unofficially deleted. Also just because champions met on Summoner's Rift, didn't mean they had time to talk, nor that they met outside of the match. Maybe because they were sent back to where they were beforehand? On the other hand you have champions like Lissandra who was known as "the Ice Witch" to the world, despite being a queen. Don't mind that GP's visage completely changed, plus that he survived something nobody would believe.
How would you justify a champion like rek'sai being in the league without imprisoning her?
She possessed no danger to lands outside of Shurima. She could be easily tied to the League by an artifact, like that of Ezreal's.
How would you justify it that the league suddenly lets the shadow isles attack bilgewater,when they prohibited fights among the champions outside of the league?
There are countless undead, wraiths and god-knows-whatelse on Shadow Isles not being League's champions.
GreenLore2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2016-03-06T17:49:59.467+0000)
Good examples. Except you are theory-crafting while the fact is that back when Diana was released IoW was already unofficially deleted.
Thats not an arguement here,if anything it only proves my point that they couldn't do something like that with the IoW
Also just because champions met on Summoner's Rift, didn't mean they had time to talk, nor that they met outside of the match. Maybe because they were sent back to where they were beforehand? On the other hand you have champions like Lissandra who was known as "the Ice Witch" to the world, despite being a queen. Don't mind that GP's visage completely changed, plus that he survived something nobody would believe.
There was a story where Ryze actually explained Ezreal how one can be summoned multiple times,while they were in a game,so they do have the time to talk(not to mention that a few sentences would be enough to clear things up a bit). Also GPs visage didn't change completely,when a guy saw GP in the epilogue he instantly recognized him.
She possessed no danger to lands outside of Shurima. She could be easily tied to the League by an artifact, like that of Ezreal's.
But she is a danger for the people in Shurima. Not to mention that if they can summon her against her will,then they could imprison or simply kill her,there is simply no gain in letting her roam freely.
There are countless undead, wraiths and god-knows-whatelse on Shadow Isles not being League's champions.
The thing is that Miss fortune was attacked by Hecarim and lots of people saw it. not to mention that the league is against large scale wars in general(small skirmishes are ok,but that can't be described as a small skirmish).There was a reason why noxus stopped their barbarian campaign/marsh into ionia once these were under the protection of the league.
Vistha Kai3 votesThats not an arguement here,if anything it only proves my point that they couldn't do something like that with the IoW
It is. That was a part of the setting. Just like you won't randomly see, say, a space ship crashing down durning Battle of Helm's Deep with a space marine jumping out from it and gunning down all orcs.
But she is a danger for the people in Shurima.
About as much as any predator. Was IoW dealing with every wolf, lion or god-knows-what-else? Of course they didn't.
There was a reason why noxus stopped their barbarian campaign/marsh into ionia once these were under the protection of the league.
The reason they stopped the invasion was an agreed to decide the war's outcome by a League match. The League existed sorely out of all nations' approval. Just like NATO or EU does in our world. If Noxus wanted to break the truce they could do it.
GreenLore2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-06T18:24:39.807+0000)
It is. That was a part of the setting. Just like you won't randomly see, say, a space ship crashing down durning Battle of Helm's Deep with a space marine jumping out from it and gunning down all orcs.
No,the whole arguement is about how certain things wouldn't be possible in the old lore,so saying "well that doesn't count because it was made in the new lore" pretty much agrees with my point.
About as much as any predator. Was IoW dealing with every wolf, lion or god-knows-what-else? Of course they didn't.
Rek'sai has a really large territory in shurima that isn't traversable because of her and her brood. She is an invasive species and just like in real life,they would act against such a species.
The reason they stopped the invasion was an agreed to decide the war's outcome by a League match. The League existed sorely out of all nations' approval. Just like NATO or EU does in our world. If Noxus wanted to break the truce they could do it.
No the league match was only there to decide if noxus was allowed to keep the territorys that they managed to conquer during its invasion. Also the league was opressive,it pretty much says so in its description:
Even still, all political entities abide by the governance of the League of Legends. No wise regent would be foolish enough to rail against a vast cabal of immensely powerful magicians, summoners, and champions.
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-06T17:25:44.616+0000)
None.
Well maybe one. To ruin the rest of the game and lore by adding omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient champions who can snap their fingers and destroy whole universe.
Hell yeah! New possibilities!
Someone is made because his main champion is completely shit to some champions.
Vistha Kai2 votesNow imagine that my main champion is Nunu. Literally the weakest champion in the game.
What would that make out of your snarky comment?
Fasmodey2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5aQnXfhh,comment-id=0000000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2016-03-06T18:28:36.842+0000)
Now imagine that my main champion is Nunu. Literally the weakest champion in the game.
What would that make out of your snarky comment?
Same one.
Kadavik1 votesYou must be new here.
Stars Shaper1 votesDoes he even need a reason?
From what I saw he was just passing by and told to himself something in the lines of "Oh, look.. people! Lets remeber them who is the god here".
Which si totally in character
GreenLore1 votesYeah I think Sol doesn't want to destroy the world,because......well what would he gain from it?Nothing.
Though I think he will power down within the lore,because he somehow needs to fit onto that planet.
Stars Shaper3 votesFollowing this thinking I believe it would be funny that his death animation is he acting his "death" in such a fake way that it becomes stupid xD
