Swain's VGU and its implications for the lore

Brutusness·Mar 11, 2017·3 votes·1,582 views

While Swain's VGU is not likely to come sooner than 2018, I think there's some good guessing we can make for some of the information that will come with it. One thing I haven't seen discussed as much is that Swain might be the first "nation leader" to be given a complete overhaul in identity. So whatever info comes with him, we'll also get a great deal of world building about how Noxus operates from the top and how they view their leader.

What kind of character are you hoping Swain fits? The more mystic, sorcerous kind using dark magic and demonic deals to keep his rule in check? A brutal military leader whose mind if focused only on the most efficient and pragmatic courses of action?

Basically, Palpatine, Thrawn, or something else?

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Whyte LyonMar 11, 20172 votes

Swain might be the first "national leader" to be reworked.

Yes! Swain's role within the universe will be huge for potential lore. Which is more then half the reason why I wish his rework was sooner. As his current Bio is nothing much other than mysterious and riddled with plot holes. So I do feel sorry for who ever takes on this huge role of re-writing his lore.

A complete re-write/ rework on Swain's rise to power. The current reason is so bare bones it's not funny.
I want an actual reason why Boram was no longer fit to be leader (like what did he do/ going to do that upset Noxians?) and how is Swain going to be any better then his predecessor?
The theory about "who's the real puppet master- Swain or Beatrice?" to be put to rest.
Swain's aspirations and motives. What does HE really want for Noxus?
A much more in depth view on Swain's military history.
His Relationships to other characters:

Give us a proper reason for why Darius is supporter to Swain. "Darius like Swain. Swain good leader" - is not good enough.
Swain's coalition with the Black Rose & it individual members. In fact any more info this tea party would be great.
How DOES the citizens of Noxus feel about Swain. Particularly over his rise to power.
Swain's personal view on Demacia and their monarchy.
Does Noxus still have ties with Zaun anymore? Excluding Urgot as we have no clue what changes his lore will have.

Was it Swain who instigated the war on Ionia or could it have been Boram?

Wow this list is getting way too long, I guess I'll leave it at that for now.

TL;DR You can honestly tell that there is a hell of a lot to answer for in Swain's rework as his identity with in lore is soo weak for a character of his importance. I wish narrative luck cause it feels like they will need it.

GreenLoreMar 11, 20171 votes

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Yes! Swain's roll within the universe will be huge for potential lore. Which is more then half the reason why I wish his rework was sooner. As his currently Bio is nothing much other than mysterious and riddled with plot holes. So I do feel sorry for who ever takes on this huge role of re-writting his lore.

A complete re-write/ rework on Swain's rise to power. The current reason is so bare bones it's not funny.

I want an actual reason why Boram was no longer fit to be leader (like what did he do/ going to do that upset Noxians?) and how is Swain going to be any better then his predecessor?

The theory about "who's the real puppet master- Swain or Beatrice?" to be put to rest.

Swain's asspirations and motives. What does HE really want for Noxus?

A much more indepth view on Swain's military history.

His Relationships to other characters:

Give us a proper reason for why Darius is supporter to Swain. "Darius like Swain. Swain good leader" - is not good enogh.

Swain's coalition with the Black Rose & it individual members. In fact any more info this tea party would be great.

How DOES the citizens of Noxus feel about Swain. Particularly over his rise to power.

Swain's personal view on Demacia and their monarchy.

Does Noxus still have ties with Zaun anymore? Excluding Urgot as we have no clue what changes his lore will have.

Was it Swain who instagated the war on Ionia or could it have been Boram?

Uhm about your second point: Boram was dead,thats why Swain replaced him.(and this is most likely the case in the new lore as well,as Swain mentions Borams death in the sion promo) While it was said that demacian assassins killed him,it was implied that it was actually the black rose that offed him.

And at least in the original lore it was Boram who started the war with Ionia.

Whyte LyonMar 11, 20171 votes

It doesn't change the fact that Boram did something to piss someone off. And no I don't believe Demacian assassins were the culprits at all. So there must have been something he did or didn't do that required his full removal. Plus for a character described as youthful despite being long lived (necromancy or something idk) I imagine his death would be super suspicious among many Noxian powers, no mater what the people are told about how he died. Chances are it was the Black Rose that wanted him out but who knows because the JoJ was useless for answers.

GreenLoreMar 12, 20171 votes

Well yeah it is most likely that he wasn't assassinated by demacians. However its not like the public wanted Boram gone(at least we don't know if that was the case). It was pretty likely that it was part of Swains scheme(and that of the black rose) to gain power.

Of course that begs the question why the black rose supported swain instead of boram,or why swain wanted to become the grand general.

Whyte LyonMar 12, 20171 votes

Didn't the Black Rose support Boram too? Like they were the ones who knew how to bring Sion back, at the very least Boram was acquainted with them.

Edit: Yeah Boram NEEDED Sion back for what ever reason, perhaps he felt unprotected/ useless with out him? It also seems that Boram had the Black Rose resurrected him... either that or they offered (IDK Sion's lore is good but it too has gaps). Perhaps this is how the BR managed to integrate themselves into the politics of Noxus, assuming they haven't always been there.

Anyway Boram is another character that has as many mysteries & plot holes as Swain does. I hope Riot decide to expand upon his story too as I was kinda bothered that Prof. Stanwick's was side lined in the recent Zaun LU to a simple mentioning.

GreenLoreMar 11, 20171 votes

Overall I hope that he keeps both,the tactician and the warlock archetype,but if Riot decides to keep only one,then I'd say they should go with warlock,because lets be honest,they always talked about how swain is a master tactician,but never showed him using any smart strategies,making the whole master tactician thing more of an informed attribute anyway.

Aside from that I hope that Swain remains a schemer who is not afraid to go into battle himself when needed and I'd really like to hear a bit about his mysterious past,even if we don't get the full story from the beginning.