A Look at a Possible Connection between Shurima and Targon. Look just bear with me here.

Sharjo·2/16/2017, 10:11:12 PM·33 votes·16,050 views

Edit: As Bio and several others pointed out, I had a mistake with the way the rivers flow in Shurima. It's still weird, but weird in a different way, so I've ammended the post.

So Shurima is a wonderful, but also pretty strange place. Mount Targon is also a wonderful, but pretty strange place, and I’ve been wondering about some specific things about Shurima, particularly the city of Shurima itself, for a long time now. Recently I’ve had some thoughts rolling about, and wanted to share them with you all, as even though I don’t consider this theorising very strong on my part, it could at the very least just open up the discussion and get some further thoughts on the topics I’m going to broach.

So what’s the main subject of this post? Simply put, I think that Shurima and Targon have ties together, this being the empire, not the mountain, though I will talk about the mountain to. In more specific terms, I think that the Shuriman Empire owes a great deal of its ancient secrets to Targon.

Some of you are already tilting your head at this and I don’t blame you at all; this could very well be so far out of left field that it’s laughable, but humor me at least, ok guys?

Alright, so first thing to discuss:


http://i.imgur.com/KvDtYRv.jpg

##Shurima is a very strange city.##

It is really. Deep within its bowels you can find the Oasis of the Dawn, and somehow many rivers in the Southern Continent flow towards it, flowing INLAND as opposed to flowing out too the sea. The city itself seems to have some ancient magic tied to it, which seemingly allows it to rebuild itself, rearrange its components and reanimate the dead...yeah it’s strange. I’ll break down the specifics here on what’s actually going on and why this is so strange.

So firstly, the Oasis of the Dawn is a font of natural energies, and it isn’t Runeterra’s only such font; the Blessed Isles had one before the Ruination and one could also stipulate that the God-Willow of Omikayalan as such a font as well. How these things tie in to each other is a theory for another day, but the important thing here is how the Oasis works and how it interacts with the city, and the main thing here is that the Oasis, while being similar to the sacred pools of the isles, did something that the pools couldn’t do: revive the dead. Sivir, who was described as being a corpse when Azir found her, was revived, while the Ruined King’s wife was simply re-animated and the pools themselves corrupted. What’s the difference?

There’s also the fact that Sivir’s resurrection was one of two to occur in a short space of time, as Azir was revived, seemingly by magic within the city of Shurima itself. He wasn’t a truly living being, as he was and still is effectively sand given form, but he was wrenched back from death all the same.

Then there are other details, such as how rivers flow backward, towards the capital, instead of out towards the sea. such as how the rivers flow out from the capital in to the lands, up waterways that should flow in the opposite direction, even up mountains. The waters come from the Oasis of course, but the fact that the city can draw forth this waters from below the soil and sending them out on a continental scale is astounding in and of itself. There’s also the seemingly trivial detail of how Nasus “discovered” the Tomb of the Emperors, which raises the question:

How did you not know that this tomb was in your city?

And perhaps more interesting; what else did the Shurimans not know about their capital if you can discover various elements to it thousands of years after first setting up in it?

I personally feel like this could tie in to the way that Shurima was restored, with Azir being able to bring the city up from the dust, though I would say that Azir had as much of a part to play in this process as the city itself. The city itself responded to Azir in his human form, refilling the Oasis as he came towards it. The Sun Disc rose again, seemingly of its own accord. There’s more here than is immediately evident, and the scale and potency of the magic presented here exceeds anything humans in Runeterra have ever shown to be capable of (as far as we know anyway). It begs the question of who built the city and how.

In that vein, the Sun Disc also raises its own questions, considering the size and immense power behind it, as well as what its power did for people exposed to it. World Runes are a possibility of course, and since we know Shurimans actually built the Sun Disc that they could very well have constructed a city with as much power as Shurima does, but how did they make the Sun Disc? What allowed the Shurimans to create these amazing wonders?


http://i.imgur.com/yi1Wbck.jpg

##Mount Targon is a very strange mountain.##

An enormous mountain in the middle of nowhere that challenges those who ascend to its peak, besieging them with visions of the past and seemingly also changing its shape in order to test those who try and ascend to its highest peaks. In every case it is stated that it is the mountain is the one that tests the climber, but in some cases it is an Aspect of Targon that brings people to the summit, namely Diana, who had been guided there by the Aspect of the Silver Moon.

Mount Targon, while also being a place that Targon accesses in order to find worthy hosts and also monitors in the wake of void invasions, it’s also a place of spatial convergence, as glimmering mist comes down across the mountain, bringing with it otherworldly beings seemingly not of Targon or the Void.

The shapes and features of the Mountain lend to the idea that Mount Targon was perhaps shaped and moulded in to what it is today; that their works, be they physical or magical, permeate the mountain itself. You can see it in the main art piece for Mount Targon; circular shapes carved in to the mountain in evidently intentional shapes, and part of the mountain straight up goes invisible or something in the background. It’s just plain odd. I’ve personally leant towards the idea that Mount Targon, while likely a natural mountain, was physically and magically altered by Targon in ages past, and was perhaps smaller back then too.


http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/AurelionSol_0.jpg

##Shurima and Mount Targon are strange in similar ways.##

In terms of architecture, Targonian creations have a similar sweeping curvature to them as we can see in Shurima’s palaces. Targonian stuff could be considered smoother and more refined but the similarities are there, which is especially notable when looking at Aurelion Sol’s splash, where the platforms he is looking down upon take this visual similarity with Shurima to a whole new level, as well as his crown, which looks similar enough to the Sun Disc that perhaps they’re made of the same stuff, though how Shurimans got their hands on star gems is beyond me. Taric’s mace also shares this look, and even has something spherical in the centre, like Shurima itself.

Both of these places are magical locales with the magic itself being seemingly not anything to do with their location but with the place itself. The magic has something that it draws back to, drives itself, or has someone behind it pulling the strings in some manner.

Both places have physically altered themselves, with Mount Targon’s peaks and cliffs being inconsistent and unchartable, while the city of Shurima has rebuilt itself after a little coaxing from Azir. Continuing on that point both locales seem to have some force driving them, either the areas themselves or a greater power behind them, which has already hinted at being the reason behind Azir’s Ascension, though in that case it’s more about the Sun Disc specifically rather than the city.

If I trace the line of logic back to Mount Targon being perhaps partially Targon made as opposed to an all natural mountain, then both of these locales are also mortal made to an extent, and if that’s true for Mount Targon that makes the city of Shurima with the Sun Disc and Mount Targon the greatest feats of magical construction ever conceived on Runeterra, period (as far as we’ve seen thus far anyway).


##A disclaimer before we go on:##

Now before going further, I want to pull things back and be real here: This connection is perhaps entirely coincidental, and if you’re not following my train of thought on this, then I don’t blame you. I’m not entirely convinced by this myself. I don’t subscribe to this as being a strong theory in any regard, and so question me about this all you like; there’s likely something I’ve missed that totally destroys this theory.

In the end this is more of entertaining some theories than me coming around and saying “OMG GUYS I FIGURED OUT THE MYSTERY”, so take it as such. Ok, now on to the main point of all of this.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/3e/Shurima_Rising.png/revision/latest?cb=20161123023203


##Basically, the city of Shurima might be Targon made.##

The city of Shurima does some astounding things, like being tied to a pool of restorative waters, being able to make rivers flow outward from it in impossible ways, reassembling itself, resurrecting the dead and more. It goes deep in to the earth and is a place of great power. Given the extent of what we’ve seen humans capable of doing in Runeterra, I’d say that the city of Shurima itself being built or at least designed by Targon isn’t all that farfetched, considering what it can do. If Targon can make a mountain a connection point between worlds/realities, then they can make a city draw forth life giving waters from deep within the earth. Hell that might’ve been Shurima’s original purpose if it was made/designed by Targon.

There are alternative ways of thinking about this too, for instance Shurima might not have been made by the true Targon, but based off of their work, or an Aspect had a hand in it’s construction. This could also be true for the Sun Disc; based off of Targonian designs and prior work, as opposed to directly made by them. Another way of thinking about this is that it’s all wrong and there’s no connection, which is a pretty good theory I’d say, but hey, indulge me for a minute ok?


##So if this theory holds any weight, what does it mean really?##

The thing about this theory is that it really only helps in regards to the question of “How did the Shurimans even come about making the Sun Disc”. In that regard if Shurima was Targon built or influenced, then the Shurimans could’ve based the Sun Disc off of the left over Targonian works, be they artifacts or just learning from the city itself. Potentially the Sun Disc was something the Targonians wanted to build or had already built before, and took with them when they left Runeterra, leaving behind the plans or means to construct it.

It also to a degree satisfies the answer of “what’s behind the Ascension ritual”, considering that it was some higher power that seemed to deem folks worthy of Ascension, rather than the Sun Priests themselves. They were perhaps heralding the word of that greater power, and while there’s a good argument to be made that the Stars themselves have wills of their own, Targon directing Shurima could be a possibility too, with the hope perhaps being to foster a mortal army on Runeterra to protect it in their stead, perhaps as an alternative plan to the whole Aspect angle. Or perhaps it could’ve have been a more benevolent plan where Targon hoped to elevate humans to a higher plane of existence through this ritual, in a similar manner to perhaps they went through, since it’s likely the original Targonians were beings of flesh and blood who became all celestial and stuff later.

A few questions are raised by this theory though, so let’s go through them:

- Why would Targon build Shurima in the first place?

Personally, I’d say it was because of the Oasis of the Dawn. Targon’s plan might’ve been to tap in to those waters buried deep within the earth and keep it strong by forcing the rivers of the land to flow back in to the Oasis redistribute them over the lands that would later be named Shurima. The entire purpose of the city might’ve been to keep this wellspring going distribute these life giving waters across the length and breadth of the lands for all to drink and be rejuvinated by, which might’ve been important if Targon faced a calamitous conflict in the past. What better way to keep your nation alive than through life giving waters?

If we also draw to the point of Shurima not always being a desert, then perhaps in the past the land went through desertification, and Targon hoped to revitalize the land by drawing from the Oasis’s waters. How it would dry up again after this though I dunno. Potentially Shurima’s misuse of magic or stuff with Icathia? Not sure. Lots of questions and I don’t posit that any of these answers are flawless or even remotely correct.

- How did Shurima come to be then?

If we assume that Shurima lay abandoned after Targon left Runeterra, then it was probably discovered by humans at some point and became a fabled place of legend. It only takes one intrepid, daring individual with a lust for riches, power or glory to then scour the lands for such a place. It could even be something more humble, like the city just being stumbled upon after a long time and folks clamouring around it and the waters within. If we draw from the Targon influencing Shurima angle, then perhaps they used the city’s magic in some way to coerce people to find the city, or draw them directly to it.

- How did the Shurimans even work the city to begin with?

I’d certainly say it would either be an accident or the city responding to the presence of humans within it, though given the fact that the city reacted to Azir specifically, perhaps the city became or was attuned to one person in particular, who would go on to be the ancestor of Shurima’s lineage of emperors. Again on the Targon angle, perhaps they saw a human with potential and decided they’d make a good candidate for “host of the city” so to speak, making the city react to them and their bloodline.

- Why would the city need to re-arrange itself?

I’d say as a defensive measure more than anything. If you can keep potential invaders lost and confused while having the means to navigate the city yourself, then you’re at a major advantage in any bad situation. This might’ve been why Shurimans only discovered the tomb of the emperors centuries later, the city did some rearranging after being besieged by some foe, and when it was taken back the city didn’t rearrange itself because they lacked the means to undo the protective measures.

- What if Targon didn’t build the city?

In this angle the theory could still hold water if we consider they were probably still choosing folks to be Aspects back in the early days of mankind. Perhaps an Aspect of the past had the idea to build the city, with an express purpose in mind.

There are plenty of questions and probably many more I haven’t even broached, but I’ll let anyone willing to ask go ahead and I’ll try and think of an answer, though there’s no guarantees there even is one.


##Ok are you done with your crackpot theory?##

Aye I am. TL;DR is I think maybe possibly perhaps I dunno whatever that the city of Shurima (and also the Sun Disc) owe their creation to Targon, either directly or indirectly.

If you got through this to the end, then thanks for giving this weird theory the time of day. Again, I don’t hold strong weight to this, it’s just a thread of speculation I’ve been chasing for a bit now because god dammit that city makes me curious about so many things. SO MANY.

Before leaving this I just wanna put out one little thing: you’ve got two magical areas on the same landmass with a whole bunch of mysteries surrounding them, which in itself doesn’t feel like a coincidence, but then there’s also the idea that Targon’s only mark left on Runeterra after their departure was Mount Targon itself, which seems unrealistic no? Surely they left something behind?

But yeah, whether this is a load of bollocks or maybe something, thanks for reading!

58 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear2/17/2017, 12:10:39 AM11 votes

Came because Shurima and Sharjo. Wasn't disappointed.

If this was actually a real thing you stumbled upon, this would be the very first time that two nations (well, one nation and a mountain) are intrinsically linked, with one being the fore-bearer of the other.

As Shaper noted, the magic used for Ascension is quite similar to Aurelion's, indeed they practically worship the power of a star. While it is entirely possible for humans to learn to harness the magical energy of a star, it's even more likely that a race already well versed in harnessing that kind of magic (the original Targonians), built this place first, then left it to Shurima's emperors.

However, I would like to suggest that Shurima was in fact a thriving city without the need to break apart or pull itself back together. As it was protected by Ascended in its prime, I doubt such a feature was necessary. What I feel is more likely is that the only reason Shurima fell into the sands was because of Xerath and his errant Ascension, the intense explosion of magical energy shattering the Sundisk, whose power was likely what kept the city together, because the way it is constructed, it can't stay together without magic.

However some of the Sundisk survived the cataclysm, and was just enough to keep the city's lifegiving waters alive, and was able to, with proper coaxing, able to resurrect someone capable of bringing the city back to it's prime. Azir.

I believe that the shard of the sundisk not only resurrected Azir and Ascended him, but also imbued him with the very essence of the Sun disk, and he pulled the city back from sands.

So to support my theory, Exhibit A: Azir's design/armor.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Azir_0.jpg

So my first observation is why Azir out of the other three ascended beings we see Nasus, Renekton, Xerath, his armor and staff are not only nearly completely gold, but also decked out with Sun Disk symbolism?

It may just be because Gold is considered a royal color, but another factor to consider is the animal he assumed the appearance of.

The half-animal Ascended have an underlying reason for their forms.

For Nasus, the Jackal in Ancient Egyptian culture was a sacred animal, so much so that Anubis, the god of the dead, was a man with a jackal head. This is referenced by Nasus in his abilities and lore. His Spirit Fire, Wither, and Siphoning Strike all reference death or the withering or drawing out of spirits. In lore Nasus was a scholar that was suffering from an illness that made him slowly wither away.

Renekton is rather self-explanatory, so I'll be brief. Crocodiles are ferocious beasts, Renekton was a very capable warrior, known as the Butcher of the Sands even before his Ascension.

Now for Azir. He is part falcon/hawk. In ancient Egypt this references the god Horus, from whom Pharaoh was said to be incarnated from. He was the god of the sky, and the symbol and protector of Pharaoh. In LoL this makes sense because Azir is a ruler, but two more things should be known: Horus was later known as the uniter of Ancient Egypt, and is represented by a winged sun disk.

One more piece of evidence. Azir's staff, the upper portion, looks like half of a sun disk.

This is why I believe that after the ancient piece of the sun disk revived Azir, he was imbued with the power of the sun disk itself, which is why unlike any other Ascendant known, he is able to bring others back to life through sand, and is able to pull the ancient city out of the sands single-handedly. He has the power to create, much like the sun disk.

I hope this makes sense, a thank you if you made it through my rambling.

RiotBioluminescence2/17/2017, 3:11:28 AM10 votes

Super interesting read, Sharjo.

I see Shaper pointed out the Aurelion Sol story - the only example we have of a 'first hand' account of the building of the Sun Disk.

There is a question I have, and maybe (as the master of references) you can help me out? Where is it said that the rivers flow towards (the city of) Shurima? Maybe I got confused (it happens) but I thought that the river flowed out of the capital - even towards the mountains to the West.

Otherwise, this thread is magical. TyrekGoldenspear's thoughts on the armor and symbology of Azir is great too.

Random aside, while I love many of the Shuriman cities (including the capital) I admit that the capital itself is almost too weird for me to wrap my head around. The sheer scale of it beggars belief, and when I try to imagine myself walking the marketplaces at the bottom of some of those artificial chasms, my imagination just fails. Would there be, at that depth, just minutes of sunlight reaching them? Do they reflect sunlight down there? Do they keep the lowest levels for things other than trivial marketplaces and living areas? It's almost Kowloon Walled City like in its verticality, which sets it as the third highly vertical living space in Runeterra that I know of - but certainly the most lavish and palacial in its heyday (and maybe again?)

For reals, though - Nashramae is my favourite. I also know it as the Palace of Flowers, but I'm not sure they ever made that (very ancient Shuriman) name canon, so please don't take it as such.

Hold your tears another day ‘Til we can bathe in flowers At Nashrimae we’ll wash your feet and Sleep in cooler hours”

Stars Shaper2/16/2017, 11:22:01 PM7 votes

As always it has been a wonderful read.

I think your idea isn't all built in the air, it traces back to our own ancient Egyptian culture, which has a lot of mysteries bound to a knowledge and craftmanship that is hard to believe was acquired during those ancient times and "aliens" contacts always had a great presence in our imaginary.

I also would like to add to your theory that the power that Shurimans use for Ascending is indeed closer to Aurelion Sol magic than anything experienced since now in Runeterra (as we know for now), the exact words being: "In a vast stretch of desert, I feel the twinge of familiar magic emanating from the seat of the premiere civilization amongst these savages".

Given that we are just talking about a huge focusing lens it's still the only attempt at cosmic magic that Runeterrans have done.

RiotRiotJaredan2/17/2017, 8:00:10 PM6 votes

Love it!

Tract2/17/2017, 9:01:10 PM2 votes

I've mailed Azir since his release and have been a big fan of Shurima lore, I never really thought about it but the Ascebsion ritual does seem very similar to the process by which the Targon chosen get turned into super saiyans. Awesome theory.

Mogarl2/17/2017, 2:55:38 AM2 votes

Surprised you didn't include the bloodline anywhere in this theory. Azir's lineage is innately magical, so much so that it can be tracked across long distances. It's very possible that the original emperor of Shurima was not human. Perhaps the designer of the city was a Targonian who went to Runeterra in person, built an empire, got busy with the local population, and then either died or went back to Targon. If not Targon then it could still be a similar origin to the Frozen Watchers (although we don't know where they came from either).

Epicurus2/17/2017, 5:25:15 AM2 votes

I like your theory, but alas, I must play the devil's advocate.

Why do you think Shurima's rivers flow inwards? Sivir's short story states the opposite:

Sivir turned to its source and watched as a three foot wall of blue water rushed down the ancient riverbed. The water from the city.

Also not sure what you mean by the city rearranging itself. There are other ways in which the Tomb of the Emperors could end up lost.

But these points aside, your theory has a lot of merit.

HalfTangible2/17/2017, 6:07:36 AM2 votes

Not sure I like connecting Targon and Shurima. Granted, this makes sense from a lore perspective, but from a storytelling one, I find it... disconcerting to try and tie the Targonians and Shurimans together like this.

The point of retconning the Institute of War out of existence (well, one of the points) was to provide some separation between the various areas of Runeterra and its champions. I don't remember where this was said or the exact wording, but someone at Riot pointed out that if all of the game's champions knew each other and had personal relationships with people across the planet, it would make the world feel incredibly small. Connecting Targon and Shurima in this manner has a very similar effect, albeit not to the same degree.

Although come to think of it, the Ascended of Shurima are mortals turned into god-like beings with magic... very similar to the Aspects of Targon, eh?

... in short, I don't like the idea but it is a cool one

AlistarMilking2/17/2017, 4:16:51 PM1 votes

Good theory, I liked it! Just one piece of advise: don't be so apologetic about it. If you feel like you really must, add a disclaimer that it's just a theory at the beginning of the post and then stop worrying about it. It gets really tiring to see you apologize constantly for making a connection.

As far as theories go, it's not even so outlandish that it warrants such a level of self-depreciation, both places do have a lot in common: both worship celestial objects, both use circular motifs and golden ornaments a lot, and Ancient Egypt already has a lot of ancient astronaut theories around itself that it wouldn't be surprising for its League equivalent to have actually been built by aliens.

SteelMankind2/17/2017, 7:22:21 PM1 votes

What the sod is this

XIII Vanitas2/17/2017, 10:16:34 AM1 votes
  1. There's nothing that leads us to think that the God-Willow was a font of natural energy. It's way more likely it was just a nature spirit, similar to Maokai before the Ruination.

  2. I'm pretty sure Sivir wasn't a corpse when Azir found her: she had received a mortal wound and she was bleeding to death, but she was still alive.

  3. Who says that the revived Azir was made of sand and wasn't truly a living being? In the cinematic "Rise of the Ascended", Nasus, the narrator, explicitly says that the blood magic "snatched Azir's mind and body from oblivion" and, when the emperor is shown in his human form, he looks like a normal human being. I think this heavily implies that Azir was made of blood and flesh before achieving his ascended form.

Anyways, I think that your theory on the connection between Targon and Shurima is too far-fetched. Even though both societies share the concept of "ascension", there's really nothing that links them together, especially if you consider the fact that they draw power from very different sources (Shurima from the sun and the life-giving waters, Targon from interplanetary symbionts/parasites).

AgeOfTheMage2/17/2017, 8:38:58 PM1 votes

As much as I want to read that, I do not have the patience (sorry) but Judging by all the examples I got from glimpses, I'd say you're pretty smart and got your fats down, upvote for you!

LostFr0st2/16/2017, 10:31:45 PM1 votes

That ancient stone map seems to hint that they're connected too, at least by trade. http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/creative-spotlight/reksai-scourge-desert