Why is there not an mastery that makes so u can have 2 pink wards out?

ÐÔPĘ·Sep 8, 2016·168 votes·4,389 views

Shouldent it be good for supports to be able to have 2 pink wards out on the map? or just me? Mainly supports but as a jungler it could be super good to.

69 Comments

FloRaider42Sep 8, 201649 votes

Would easily become a mustpick and is almost impossible to tweak.

Velzard of KozSep 8, 20169 votes

And it may end up as one of those things casual players don't know it exists but pro players would use it on nearly everyone. Even If it would be rooted depply in the utility tree.

Praetor NotoriasSep 9, 20162 votes

Except that a roaming jungler could walk into the jungle and swat all of those pinks and at 30 gold a pop it'd be a profitable adventure. It would cost 150 gold per person to refresh them. So you potentially just cost the enemy team 750 gold to replace their pink vision coverage.

5000000000000000Sep 10, 20162 votes

And as you go around killing wards, you're always completely visible.

bony whimsarkSep 10, 20161 votes

What if they made a separate tree that was absolute garbage (to the point of taking AWAY stats) that you had to take to get the keystone. You would be making such a tradeoff that Junglers wouldn't want to take it, and even people like soraka wouldn't want to take it. This would give it some niche picks on.... idk...... Blitzcrank? Uhhhh. Alistar perhaps? Just some random shower thoughts.

FloRaider42Sep 10, 20161 votes

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What if they made a separate tree that was absolute garbage (to the point of taking AWAY stats) that you had to take to get the keystone. You would be making such a tradeoff that Junglers wouldn't want to take it, and even people like soraka wouldn't want to take it. This would give it some niche picks on.... idk...... Blitzcrank? Uhhhh. Alistar perhaps? Just some random shower thoughts.

The fact that you would have to create a seperate with downgrades to balance out the value of this keystone mastery, should already show you how unbalanced this is. Yes maybe it would balance it out, but you essentially create a mastery that will make you feel bad about picking it and might be forced upon you ("Stupid support didn't pick mastery X).

ActivatingEMPSep 8, 20169 votes

Because then it would be the only mastery ever taken

hi im mintySep 8, 20163 votes

Not in bronze or silver.

Silver tier players don't know what a pink is.

JimmyyySep 8, 20162 votes

Bronze tier players only know what a pink is because they watch "How 2 get gud" videos x)

74770029_DELSep 9, 20162 votes

I'm in silver and i buy pinks all the time, ward lane bush then baron post 15

hi im mintySep 11, 20161 votes

I'm glad. I only support in ranked but I've been trying to learn how to adc and it drives me nuts when my support doesn't ward tribush

LoL4FANSep 9, 20161 votes

now i quote "mintyrobot. Silver 2 82 LP / 441W 473L Win Ratio 48% Pantheon´s Emmissari" so. I would expect that joke from a Plat or above

hi im mintySep 11, 20161 votes

So much hate. Yeah I'm silver 2 and my win rate is absolute trash. With that being said I am a support main so most of what I bring to the table has to do with my team.

If you look at my inventory you can see that I have one or two links at any given moment. If you look at my team they usually don't buy pinks.

Yeah, I made that joke because it's 100% true. You don't have to be "plat or above" to notice how little lower Elo players ward. Also, you don't have to be "plat or above" to have a sense of humor.

balbraakselSep 9, 20161 votes

I see pinks used there all the time, your MMR must be somewhere in Bronze 3 then or something...

hi im mintySep 11, 20161 votes

So bronze 3 players playing in silver? Doesn't add up.

Bladerunner7777Sep 9, 20161 votes

They would still copy the pros

dunkeroniSep 8, 20167 votes

Would have to be a keystone, and there's no good place to put it.

DarkRitualSep 8, 201628 votes

Keystone is the literal worst place for it. All in all the idea isn't great.

What's better? 2/4/6/8/10% increased ward vision range. In the tier right before the Keystones.

SarrostSep 8, 20165 votes

I agree, this'd actually only really be a viable option for supports too. Fair and not game breaking.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 8, 20162 votes

What about:

Pink ward limit is increased to 2/3/4/5/6. In the tier before keystone. I am just kidding, but that would be kinda cool

SrirachaLimesSep 8, 201610 votes

New Keystone Mastery:

"Pink ward limit removed."

... my friends always tell me I should never balance games.

Pale PirateSep 9, 20163 votes

New Keystone Mastery:

Scripts are enabled.

whitetrash366Sep 10, 20162 votes

New item "All champs around you burn for 1000 damage a second" Oh wait...

nabenkingSep 9, 20161 votes

LOLZ and there's absolutely nothing you can balance this with in any other mastery set...

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 9, 20161 votes

it's balanced, cause you need items to maximize it's potential

Maximum MordeSep 8, 20165 votes

Noty I don't want to go back to the days of ward botting.

CarameI FrappeSep 8, 20165 votes

Would be better if you could get a 2nd slot under the wards slot .... for pinks. I don't understand why the pink vision ward takes up one of our 6 item slots. I want to still use them even after having my full build, but I can't because I have no room for the bloody thing.

SociopathFriendSep 9, 20161 votes

Because Riot's trying to balance around stealth champions. Pinks make these champions: Akali Evelynn Khazix Rengar Shaco Talon Teemo Twitch Vayne MonkeyKing massively weaker to the point of them not being picked for precisely that reason.

Once Riot gets around to some sort of "stealth rework" then we'll probably get a ton of ward-tinkering as well. I know the Assassin rework is coming up and that may help shed some vision on this area.

General Esdeath Sep 8, 20164 votes

Because it would be picked too much http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/58/Thunderlord's_Decree_mastery_2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20151103094742 and nobody wants http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/a9/Fervor_of_Battle_mastery_2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20151103094518 a keystone picked far more over others http://www.mobafire.com/images/mastery-s6/grasp-of-the-undying.png right?

SiytherSep 8, 20164 votes

if u took that then u shouldnt be able to get thunderlords or fevor which is a trade off , damage or vision i'd e fine with that

FaieSep 8, 20162 votes

2 pink wards is just too much potential for vision compared to the current game. The ability to have 10 pinks out at once it too great.

Trias000Sep 9, 20161 votes

10 pinks would cost your team a lot of damage or tankiness.

FaieSep 9, 20161 votes

5 extra pink wards would cost 75 gold per person. The value of vision is much higher than that, as you see teams holding pink wards on all five members throughout the entire game.

Trias000Sep 10, 20161 votes

I didn't mean gold, but the keystone masteries all team would have to sacrifice to have 10 pink wards, if the double pink was a keystone mastery. No thunderlord, no fervor, no strength of the ages. But come to think of it, lategame they'd also have to sacrifice an item slot (which would virtually mean autolosing any teamfight) or not place any pink wards at all, thus making the mastery useless.

CrimsonCobra3Sep 8, 20163 votes

That's true. Especially when I play Jungler I feel this need keenly. However, I don't like the warding smite because then my ganks and late-game damage are worthless.

OliW3rSep 8, 20163 votes

the tweak on vision about a year ago was to intentionally reduce vision making the game less safe and more risky having potentally 10 pink wards on a team isnt ideal

fluxannaSep 9, 20163 votes

I actually disagree. This is complicated. It's just not a good mastery because you would need to balance this mastery with another similarly intriguing mastery. That's just power creep right there- unless you don't mind it or something.

We don't have any other masteries that can compete with a double pink mastery.

And also note the incredibly small amount of wards that most % of players purchase.

Alorrin01Sep 8, 20162 votes

Because then my adc would have even more to bitch at me about. "Yes master, I'm sorry, my shield has a cooldown" "no, I can't heal you anymore with 2% mana". "Yes, I'll get the sightstone on my next back. The game started 3 minutes ago" "no, I'm not going back for you with 12 health left or we'll both die" "I'm not stealing your farm, I'm proccing my spoils of war" "I don't want to carry 2 pinks, I'd rather buff team heals"

AlienPrimateSep 8, 20161 votes

My question is why is there no item that can carry pink wards. In long games with enemy Evelynn Shaco Akali Vayne Rengar Khazix you have to chose between full build and pink wards to counter these champs. Even if it was simply another item like sightstone that just provides health it would be a major improvement over no 6th item or no stealth counter.

Before anyone says "that would be OP" let me explain the intention of the item. You get an empty sightstone type item that carries your bought pink wards. It doesn't refresh when backing.

I GANK LANESSep 9, 20161 votes

10 pink wards out is OP.

ThePartyLeaderSep 9, 20161 votes

In this season we made changes to wards so the supports aren't ward bots. But then in masteries we made changes so that they still are.

GigaPubeSep 9, 20161 votes

i like that variation, but potions giving 20 health and 10 mana is sufficient enough in terms of in-game item alteration, especially for supports

Reaper SorakaSep 9, 20161 votes

Supports have wet dreams about the things you think about.

CoffeeDaveSep 9, 20161 votes

While we're at it, can we move the Expose Weakness mastery to the middle tree as well?

Pika FoxSep 9, 20161 votes

Vision is a team effort, not a support effort.

Plus it reduces options for players. Support? Grab the 2 vision mastery.

Khä ZïxSep 9, 20161 votes

Instead of a mastery, this should be implemented onto every support item.

LoL4FANSep 9, 20161 votes

Would be a must have as a mastery. As an item however it could be good. Sth like item 3092 (i searched "spooky" and found the item bc i dont remember the name) but with a different passive. For example 2 passives 1: "Pink Wards cost 50 gold instead" 2: "You can have 2 Pink and 4 Stealth wards out instead of 1 and 3" also prob 0 AP and sth like Out of Combat Movement speed, G per sec and CDr as stats