I'm sure everyone here hates it when they get a champ they love to play in ARAM, only for someone on your team or the other team to dodge. So why not make it to when someone dodges, they get into another ARAM and get the same champion that they dodged with? Riot, please! :D
Valderis Vandala2 votesThere is one problem I can see with this idea.
People could still dodge games when their team mates get shitty champions. With your system, they would keep whatever good champ they happen to have and now you can use the system to dodge until their teammates get good champs as well.
So your suggestion could end up causing more dodges rather then solving them.
No flash no life1 votesIf that's possible, then I'd say that's a brilliant way to deal with abusing dodge function. While it's not intended to be used, it's still morally acceptable in case an emergency came up and we had to abandon it even if it means receiving some sort of consequence.
However, as things stand it's been used to avoid playing champions we're assigned, even though we walk in knowingly and accepting it to happen. I see this as a potential solution to the abuse, since I'm sure those who dodged because of real life issues wouldn't be concerned with this at all, and that's the only case when dodge should be "morally" allowed to be used.
Valderis Vandala1 votes"If that's possible"
Could be yes, could be no.
The problem could come from matching people that due to the suggested system now have a set champion, whatever algorithm that puts people together now has to make sure that people who are stuck with the same champion don't get put together on the same side of a match. Unless we don't care about duplicate champions on the same side. And it would have to do that on top of all the other stuff that people are selected for, like being in the same mmr range, making teams equal and what not. So depending on the size of the population that dodge you can end up with more uneven teams, or longer wait times, or who knows what.
At least that's my guess.
Valderis Vandala1 votesLosing a champ you love to play has nothing to do with it, that's just salt in the wound, the problem is the dodges no matter what you get. I'm seeing like 2 or 3 dodges for every aram game I play, its getting ridicules.
I'm fine with what you propose but also consider why people dodge in the first place.
I never dodge myself so I don't know why other people do, but, could it have anything to do with getting settled up with garbage champs from Rito's weekly free rotation perhaps? How about getting a champ you like to play on the rift but you know they suck in aram but have no way to exclude them from your champion pool? It might also keep people from having to make aram only accounts if we had some way to customize our champion pool a bit more, rather then to just keep dumping champions into it.
Too bad Riot doesn't give a shit about aram. Feels that way at least.
Dragfin2 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-20T14:19:21.167+0000)
Losing a champ you love to play has nothing to do with it, that's just salt in the wound, the problem is the dodges no matter what you get. I'm seeing like 2 or 3 dodges for every aram game I play, its getting ridicules.
I'm fine with what you propose but also consider why people dodge in the first place.
I never dodge myself so I don't know why other people do, but, could it have anything to do with getting settled up with garbage champs from Rito's weekly free rotation perhaps? How about getting a champ you like to play on the rift but you know they suck in aram but have no way to exclude them from your champion pool? It might also keep people from having to make aram only accounts if we had some way to customize our champion pool a bit more, rather then to just keep dumping champions into it.
Too bad Riot doesn't give a shit about aram. Feels that way at least.
RIOT cares about their game, they just don't give a shit how negative people adversely affect the game. If they did they would fix this and not use that joke system of low priority que.
Valderis Vandala1 votesIf they don't care about negative people adversely affecting their game then why do they spent so much resources on that stuff?
And you are assuming that it is fixable. It might not be.
Dragfin2 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-20T14:36:13.875+0000)
If they don't care about negative people adversely affecting their game then why do they spent so much resources on that stuff?
And you are assuming that it is fixable. It might not be.
LPQ does nothing, banning accounts does something. They won't do it so there is no, "It might not be" bullshit because there is a solution. People that go to LPQ once don't go back to LPQ again. They have their account suspended and then if they qualify a third time, the account gets banned. It's really that simple.
Valderis Vandala1 votesIf riots software wasn't full of bugs and spaghetti code you might have had a point but I'd rather not get my account perma-banned because of their bullshit.
Dragfin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-20T20:02:17.024+0000)
If riots software wasn't full of bugs and spaghetti code you might have had a point but I'd rather not get my account perma-banned because of their bullshit.
Where are these bugs you say exist because I have not seen them? I have been playing for 3 plus years without any problems at all.
Valderis Vandala1 votesThen you should consider yourself very lucky.
Dragfin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-24T01:09:01.309+0000)
Then you should consider yourself very lucky.
So you don't know? That's all you have to say.
Valderis Vandala1 votesI have experienced them and suffered the penalty before. What more can I say?
What is there to say? Is the idea of game bugs and crashes truly alien to you? I could call you a lier or a troll but I'd rather not and instead accept your word that you've never experienced them and call you lucky.
Games have bugs, games crash, I've never met a gamer that hasn't experienced this stuff. Is it really so hard for you to believe this stuff happens?
Dragfin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-24T17:55:09.093+0000)
I have experienced them and suffered the penalty before. What more can I say?
What is there to say? Is the idea of game bugs and crashes truly alien to you? I could call you a lier or a troll but I'd rather not and instead accept your word that you've never experienced them and call you lucky.
Games have bugs, games crash, I've never met a gamer that hasn't experienced this stuff. Is it really so hard for you to believe this stuff happens?
Where did I say that these bugs don't happen? I said they haven't happened to me. You talk about these bugs like they are gamebreaking which leads me to believe that you are simply playing on a toaster oven instead of a computer. It also leads me to believe that you are blaming things on something that is entirely your fault to begin with.
If things were like you say they are with all these bugs and w/e then there would be millions of us who couldn't play. It's not and you are not telling the whole story about what you are running with.
It's that simple. Fix your SHIT!!!!
No flash no life3 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-20T14:19:21.167+0000) could it have anything to do with getting settled up with garbage champs from Rito's weekly free rotation perhaps?
A fair point, but that's the exact point of this mode, for ppl to try out different champs, including these "garbage champs" that people have never played/tried or wanted to play before. Seeing as this is intended, it shouldn't be an acceptable reason to dodge.
How about getting a champ you like to play on the rift but you know they suck in aram but have no way to exclude them from your champion pool?
It sucks, but we enter this mode knowing, accepting, and agreeing to have this happen, because that's just the nature of it. We're in no position to be complaining about it, and if we don't like it, just don't play it.
I do admit tho, I might be personally too frustrated from the abuse thus far and too eager for a solution to the point where I'm neglecting problems this suggested idea can incur.
Valderis Vandala2 votesthe exact point of this mode
I disagree. For me its just a fun game mode where no real strategy can be made before the match starts (or at least its very limited what you can do), and you don't have to deal with ganks from junglers, there are only limited options for ambushes, you don't have to deal with a laning phase or cs or any of the other stuff from summoner's rift, supports get the same gold everyone else gets and can build whatever the fuck they want. Its just a big dumb teamfight from start to finish, its fun and the action is near constant. Having to deal with Rito's shity line-up is not part of the deal for me.
Aram is not where you go to "try out different champions" That's exactly what bot games and custom games are for, those are the low pressure/no stakes environments that are a perfect fit for trying out new champs. Not aram.
I'm not saying its an acceptable reason to dodge though, nothing short of the client bugging out is, probably.
It sucks, but we enter this mode knowing, accepting, and agreeing to have this happen,
Yes we do, however, it need not be this way, this can be changed for the better. We are the players of this game, we are in every position to complain about elements that we do not enjoy. Just like you did with your opening post complaining about an aspect of this game that you don't enjoy, the dodging. If we don't complain about aspects we don't enjoy then the developers will never have a reason to improve their game. The goes both for intended and unintended aspects of their game.
No flash no life3 votes[{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=tHVEp9p7,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2017-01-20T14:59:02.040+0000)
I disagree. For me its just a fun game mode where...
I also share the same view. I treat it as a relaxing sandbag place to play, chill, and have fun. The only difference between you and I is on top of that I also see it as a place to play champions you've never tried nor wanted to try.
I worded in correctly back then. No, it is indeed not a place to "try out" or practice, but it is set up to assign you a random champion which could be something you'll never want to play in your life (cough cough pre-reworked yorick) but it gets you a chance to do so. You're not guaranteed to play a role you're comfortable with, or the champ that you want, but that's the point - it's all random, it's supposed to be random, not something you're optimal on.
Yes we do, however, it need not be this way, this can be changed for the better. We are the players of this game, we are in every position to complain about elements that we do not enjoy.
By the "we're in no position to be complaining", I didn't mean literally complaining, I meant showing dissatisfaction in the form of abusing a function that is not intended to be used. We are certainly free to express our concerns - if anything I'd say we are encouraged to - but just because we don't like it doesn't mean we're free to do as we please at the expense of others.
As for the change for the better, there's...room for debate on that. While it may be for the better for you, it may not be so for others. At the very least, those who like it for the random assignment feature will treat it as a change for the worse.
If we're allowed to pick champions we prefer, then it's no longer all-random-all-mid and it's just another poro king, where a certain meta of champs that outshine others will eventually be formed, turning into an unbalanced game mode. The way I see it, that defies the very nature of this game mode so I fail to see it as considerable. It's more realistic to just ask for poro king but without the poro king feature.
Valderis Vandala2 votesJust because the mode is random that doesn't mean it should assign you stuff you never played in your life.
(Do you have any idea how shitty it is to get assigned Lee Sin for the first time in aram? That bastard has like 7 abilities due to all the double activate stuff and depends on doing weird flashy shit to be worth a damn. It was horrible. Other people don't need to suffer that bullshit.)
If it was about that then the whole champion pool would permanently be open for that mode specifically.
(And it would be a horrible experience for most due to all the "what the fuck have I been given now" moments.)
I think its more likely a unintended consequence of the weekly free rotation being included in your available champion selection and Riot is just too damn lazy to edit their spaghetti code to get rid of it.
I think you misunderstand what I mean with excluding champions from the aram champion pool. I don't mean to take away the randomness factor at all, I greatly value this aspect of the aram game mode. It prevents people from making OP teams and allows for wacky team comps you normally never see, even shit that just doesn't work and thats ok, I like that and I wouldn't change that for the world. I want just a little bit of control over what champions go into the pool of possible champions the game mode randomly selects for me to play. And I don't want to force my decision on others either. I'm hoping for a system that everyone can enjoy.
For example if we had a limited number of slots we could use to lock champions we don't like out of the champion pool that we get randomly assigned then I'd be happy. I would get to exclude the champions (or at least some of them) that I just don't want to play with out of my champion pool. I would have that option. Somebody else who does not want to use that option won't be affected by it at all, since he would have his own limited slots for his own champion pool. It would still be all-random-all-mid. We just wouldn't have to play with champions we know we don't want to play with for whatever reason.
It's not just because some champions are bad at aram. We all make mistakes when it comes to buying champions and Riot's 'refund' policy is just atrocious, eventually we end up with champions that we are either bad with or just don't enjoy playing. This is not so much a problem in normal games where you are not forced to play them, but it is a problem in aram where you have no control over this say for 3 shitty refunds and the crappy re-roll system. It just doesn't work, Riot can do better then this and they should do better.
You see, people basically can already do this, its called making aram accounts, how shit does your game have to be that people are desperate enough to make separate accounts just so they have to deal with a little less bullshit in this game? I don't want to have to make a whole new account just so I don't have to deal with some 'mistakes' I made in unlocking the 'wrong' champions. Its bullshit. Riot can and should do better.
Minarde1 votesA champion blacklist would be a bit better than a whitelist, but not by much. It still doesn't solve the fundamental issue of ARAM being the only game mode that penalizes players for investing in their account and buying content (i.e. champions). For every other game mode in League, there are no downsides to owning more champs. There's only advantages (e.g. having the option to play that champ, trading in champ select).
Furthermore, ARAM-optimized accounts are themselves a plague. They abuse the shortcomings of the current champ select system to stifle champ diversity, thus harming the depth and longevity of the game mode. Any potential changes definitely shouldn't be inspired by the existence of ARAM-optimized accounts.
Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, blacklists aren't much better than whitelists. The impact certainly wouldn't be as dramatic, but blacklists would effectively do the same thing. Certain champions would essentially never be seen again. It'd be less of a problem if Riot actually bothered to balance non-SR modes, but that's apparently too much to ask for.
Valderis Vandala1 votesNobody is forcing you or anyone else not to play certain champions (except maybe dodgers XP). I know, the most likely outcome will be that some champions will get left behind, thats tough, what's worse is getting settled with shitty champions in the first place that ruin what could have been a fun experience.
It perhaps would be better if Riot did made champion tweaks for special game modes but that would require far more effort and I ain't gonna hold my breath for that. It would also betray some of their fundamental ideas on what league ought to be, so there is very little chance they will ever go for that.
Something has to happen, because at this point I can see no other option then to make myself a aram account, I don't want to, it sucks for all of us, but I see no alternative unless things change.
